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Posted: 3/12/2023 5:13:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2023 6:50:00 PM EDT
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Great, now do I not only have to worry about Javelina jumping out of the brush and scaring the shit outta me, I gotta watch out for snakes, too!! Good thing my MX boots are snake proof!!
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Posted: 3/13/2023 1:53:12 AM EDT
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Thanks for the reminder. Just this week I was thinking about the rattlesnakes maybe being out already.
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Posted: 3/13/2023 3:38:29 AM EDT
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Switched the first 2 rounds in the snub to snake shot. That's the dog walking gun.
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Posted: 3/13/2023 12:22:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the reminder. Just this week I was thinking about the rattlesnakes maybe being out already. This little one was likely surface active for the past week or more. She had already taken a meal, defecated in the bucket. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 8:43:36 PM EDT
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Here in Arizona I never take it for granted that the snakes are not out.
I always figure they’re out about 11 and 1/2 months of the year. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 10:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here in Arizona I never take it for granted that the snakes are not out. I always figure they’re out about 11 and 1/2 months of the year. You would be correct. There is at least one species of rattlesnake surface active every month of the yr in Az. Even during the coldest months in Az, rattlesnakes will emerge from their hibernaculum and bask in the sunlight on warm days or come out to drink during a winter rainstorm. They will not wander far from their hibernaculum during this time. This time of yr, with the onset of warmer temps, they will begin to move greater distances in search of food and a suitable mate. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 10:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be correct. There is at least one species of rattlesnake surface active every month of the yr in Az. Even during the coldest months in Az, rattlesnakes will emerge from their hibernaculum and bask in the sunlight on warm days or come out to drink during a winter rainstorm. They will not wander far from their hibernaculum during this time. This time of yr, with the onset of warmer temps, they will begin to move greater distances in search of food and a suitable mate. That's the most fearful, yet amazing description right there!! |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 10:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the most fearful, yet amazing description right there!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You would be correct. There is at least one species of rattlesnake surface active every month of the yr in Az. Even during the coldest months in Az, rattlesnakes will emerge from their hibernaculum and bask in the sunlight on warm days or come out to drink during a winter rainstorm. They will not wander far from their hibernaculum during this time. This time of yr, with the onset of warmer temps, they will begin to move greater distances in search of food and a suitable mate. That's the most fearful, yet amazing description right there!! Do not fear them, they are amazing creatures. As always, be alert and aware of your surroundings, they are worthy of respect. The manner in which they have evolved and adapted to live in some of the most inhospitable environments is nothing short of incredible. The more you learn about them and understand them, the more fascinating they become. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 10:24:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do not fear them, they are amazing creatures. As always, be alert and aware of your surroundings, they are worthy of respect. The manner in which they have evolved and adapted to live in some of the most inhospitable environments is nothing short of incredible. The more you learn about them and understand them, the more fascinating they become. Sorry bud, I have a natural fear of all snakes!! Rattlesnakes are just the most scary of all the snakes!! |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 1:36:11 AM EDT
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Y’all must be in southern AZ. North and South rim, they NOT out and they can stay that way. Baby tiger rattler almost got my lab last summer.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 1:41:40 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Y’all must be in southern AZ. North and South rim, they NOT out and they can stay that way. Baby tiger rattler almost got my lab last summer. Tiger rattler on the N and S rim?? |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 4:10:22 PM EDT
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IMHO, rattlers are the gentleman's of venomous snakes . Rattlers always give you a warning ,and let you know they are there. When i lived in northern NJ we had copperheads that would shrike without notice. I had 2 dogs bit by copperheads and almost got got bit while getting firewood from a cord I had next to the house. The south has cotton mouth water moccasins and gators . We have it easy here. Just pay attention and you have nothing to fear from rattlers . Dogs and cats only get bit because they go after the rattlers or most anything that moves. Your more likely of getting mugged/robed/shot in Arizona than bit by a rattler these days. Our currant problems here in Arizona are 2 legged vermin.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:32:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMHO, rattlers are the gentleman's of venomous snakes . Rattlers always give you a warning ,and let you know they are there. When i lived in northern NJ we had copperheads that would shrike without notice. I had 2 dogs bit by copperheads and almost got got bit while getting firewood from a cord I had next to the house. The south has cotton mouth water moccasins and gators . We have it easy here. Just pay attention and you have nothing to fear from rattlers . Dogs and cats only get bit because they go after the rattlers or most anything that moves. Your more likely of getting mugged/robed/shot in Arizona than bit by a rattler these days. Our currant problems here in Arizona are 2 legged vermin. The snake in the OP was discovered by my buddy's wife. The snake sought refuge under the hose reel by their back door. It could have easily tagged her on the ankle as she unknowingly walked by, but it gave warning with a quick buzz of the tail. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 12:14:31 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tiger rattler on the N and S rim?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Y’all must be in southern AZ. North and South rim, they NOT out and they can stay that way. Baby tiger rattler almost got my lab last summer. Tiger rattler on the N and S rim?? South Rim area is where the Tiger was last summer. It has been cold, rainy and snowing all winter here. Still is. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 11:00:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be correct. There is at least one species of rattlesnake surface active every month of the yr in Az. Even during the coldest months in Az, rattlesnakes will emerge from their hibernaculum and bask in the sunlight on warm days or come out to drink during a winter rainstorm. They will not wander far from their hibernaculum during this time. This time of yr, with the onset of warmer temps, they will begin to move greater distances in search of food and a suitable mate. I love learning new words. And that is a new one on me. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 5:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: South Rim area is where the Tiger was last summer. It has been cold, rainy and snowing all winter here. Still is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Y’all must be in southern AZ. North and South rim, they NOT out and they can stay that way. Baby tiger rattler almost got my lab last summer. Tiger rattler on the N and S rim?? South Rim area is where the Tiger was last summer. It has been cold, rainy and snowing all winter here. Still is. The northern most extent of the Tiger Rattlesnake's (C tigris) range is the southern flank of the Bradshaw Mountains. Grand Canyon Rattlesnakes (C abyssus) are common along the south rim and in the canyon and are often pink in coloration. Southwestern Speckled Rattlesnakes (C pyrrhus) also occur on the west side of the south rim. Specks often do resemble tigers. Glad your pup didn't get tagged. |
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Posted: 3/22/2023 9:50:38 PM EDT
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Live just east of the Fortuna foothills, seen two this week, helped them cross the road as they were sunning themselves, still alittle lethargic but do come to life with a some prodding, yea they are out
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Posted: 3/23/2023 1:28:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The northern most extent of the Tiger Rattlesnake's (C tigris) range is the southern flank of the Bradshaw Mountains. Grand Canyon Rattlesnakes (C abyssus) are common along the south rim and in the canyon and are often pink in coloration. Southwestern Speckled Rattlesnakes (C pyrrhus) also occur on the west side of the south rim. Specks often do resemble tigers. Glad your pup didn't get tagged. I think I sourced my information pretty accurately but here it is… @AZJeeper https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snake-information/reptiles-of-arizona.php  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 11:52:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I sourced my information pretty accurately but here it is… @AZJeeper https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snake-information/reptiles-of-arizona.php https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/8F0147D1-21E8-4018-B5FE-130DE1A4DB55_jpe-2755957.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/345C19CD-F3AE-42E1-A30A-52BCD60CCD81_jpe-2755958.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/ED5087D5-8874-4016-B39D-B2A93428781C_jpe-2755960.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The northern most extent of the Tiger Rattlesnake's (C tigris) range is the southern flank of the Bradshaw Mountains. Grand Canyon Rattlesnakes (C abyssus) are common along the south rim and in the canyon and are often pink in coloration. Southwestern Speckled Rattlesnakes (C pyrrhus) also occur on the west side of the south rim. Specks often do resemble tigers. Glad your pup didn't get tagged. I think I sourced my information pretty accurately but here it is… @AZJeeper https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snake-information/reptiles-of-arizona.php https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/8F0147D1-21E8-4018-B5FE-130DE1A4DB55_jpe-2755957.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/345C19CD-F3AE-42E1-A30A-52BCD60CCD81_jpe-2755958.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/ED5087D5-8874-4016-B39D-B2A93428781C_jpe-2755960.JPG @CavScout Depending upon where on the S rim this was/how close to the canyon, this was a Prairie Rattlesnake or a Grand Canyon Rattlesnake. The two species intergrade in that area and were formerly bunched together in the viridis complex along with several other species. Both have now been elevated to full species status. Take a look at the Tiger Rattlesnake section and range map on the link you provided, you will notice that tigers do not occur anywhere near the canyon. They are a primarily lowland desert species. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 2:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @CavScout Depending upon where on the S rim this was/how close to the canyon, this was a Prairie Rattlesnake or a Grand Canyon Rattlesnake. The two species intergrade in that area and were formerly bunched together in the viridis complex along with several other species. Both have now been elevated to full species status. Take a look at the Tiger Rattlesnake section and range map on the link you provided, you will notice that tigers do not occur anywhere near the canyon. They are a primarily lowland desert species. Very interesting. Well this weekend I am clearing the winter brush piles while it is still wet and cold, putting out my mouse trap buckets to reduce their food sources and get all of this done before it is snake weather. I might release a few dozen king snakes to help out as well. I used to raise Kings and have seen them eat Copperheads before. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 4:36:05 PM EDT
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Had this little bugger in my house one day. Still not sure how it got in. Also not sure how long it was there but the cat alerted me to it and it wasn't gonna live long if I hadn't interceded. released it in the back yard. hard to believe one day it will be large enough to eat rattlers.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 5:12:51 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had this little bugger in my house one day. Still not sure how it got in. Also not sure how long it was there but the cat alerted me to it and it wasn't gonna live long if I hadn't interceded. released it in the back yard. hard to believe one day it will be large enough to eat rattlers. https://i.imgur.com/VGuYj6x.jpg Nice! |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 7:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Live just east of the Fortuna foothills, seen two this week, helped them cross the road as they were sunning themselves, still alittle lethargic but do come to life with a some prodding, yea they are out Neat area, very rich in reptile life. Nice saves! |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 8:07:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice! He was very docile. Wife was all panicked and trying to figure out how to catch him. I just picked him up and plunked him in the bucket. he never struggled or tried to bite. Kitty watched every step of the process. Wishing hard that I'd drop it. 
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Posted: 3/25/2023 10:52:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be correct. There is at least one species of rattlesnake surface active every month of the yr in Az. Even during the coldest months in Az, rattlesnakes will emerge from their hibernaculum and bask in the sunlight on warm days or come out to drink during a winter rainstorm. They will not wander far from their hibernaculum during this time. This time of yr, with the onset of warmer temps, they will begin to move greater distances in search of food and a suitable mate. Did you do contract work for Boeing in the 200-2012 timeframe? |
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Posted: 3/25/2023 11:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you do contract work for Boeing in the 200-2012 timeframe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You would be correct. There is at least one species of rattlesnake surface active every month of the yr in Az. Even during the coldest months in Az, rattlesnakes will emerge from their hibernaculum and bask in the sunlight on warm days or come out to drink during a winter rainstorm. They will not wander far from their hibernaculum during this time. This time of yr, with the onset of warmer temps, they will begin to move greater distances in search of food and a suitable mate. Did you do contract work for Boeing in the 200-2012 timeframe? No. @tucansam The person you're thinking of, are his initials DB? |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 12:34:26 AM EDT
[#27]
I post this at work every year.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 1:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI learned in my many years in college that most rattlesnake bites are adult males on the upper extremeties (arms), and alcohol is usually involved. Leave them alone if you can. They don't chase. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 10:20:57 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I learned in my many years in college that most rattlesnake bites are adult males on the upper extremeties (arms), and alcohol is usually involved. Leave them alone if you can. They don't chase. Many stupid actions start with booze. My buddy was frequently called in front of the dean for being in trouble and his standard phrase was "Sir, I believe alcohol might have been a factor.". 
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Posted: 3/27/2023 6:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I sourced my information pretty accurately but here it is… @AZJeeper https://rattlesnakesolutions.com/snake-information/reptiles-of-arizona.php https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/8F0147D1-21E8-4018-B5FE-130DE1A4DB55_jpe-2755957.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/345C19CD-F3AE-42E1-A30A-52BCD60CCD81_jpe-2755958.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2851/ED5087D5-8874-4016-B39D-B2A93428781C_jpe-2755960.JPG Attached FileThis snake seems to be defective. He appears to have a couple holes in him.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 6:23:41 PM EDT
[#31]
azjeeper,
Your knowledge of snakes is impressive. Are you a herpetologist? |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 7:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: azjeeper, Your knowledge of snakes is impressive. Are you a herpetologist? Thanks for the kind words. Amateur herpetologist/advanced hobbyist? No formal schooling, just a deep lifelong interest and decades of field experience going back to the 70's. Native Az rattlesnakes are of particular interest to me. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 9:50:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the kind words. Amateur herpetologist/advanced hobbyist? No formal schooling, just a deep lifelong interest and decades of field experience going back to the 70's. Native Az rattlesnakes are of particular interest to me. Maybe you can confirm this one that I had in my garage in Cave Creek, I always thought it was a western diamondback. 
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Posted: 3/27/2023 10:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you can confirm this one that I had in my garage in Cave Creek, I always thought it was a western diamondback. https://i.imgur.com/vmkAdVQ.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the kind words. Amateur herpetologist/advanced hobbyist? No formal schooling, just a deep lifelong interest and decades of field experience going back to the 70's. Native Az rattlesnakes are of particular interest to me. Maybe you can confirm this one that I had in my garage in Cave Creek, I always thought it was a western diamondback. https://i.imgur.com/vmkAdVQ.jpg You are absolutely correct! 
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Posted: 3/28/2023 2:43:14 AM EDT
[#35]
I would have identified it as a future hat band...
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Posted: 3/28/2023 9:42:45 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have identified it as a future hat band... I identified it as "get the fuck out of my garage". PS - he was not happy being evicted. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:08:57 PM EDT
[#37]
AZJeeper,
Do you keep “hots”? At one time, I used to keep Cerastes, Atrox and Heleri buzztails. In San Bernardino county CA, the only requirement to go herping was a valid fishing license. I understand AZ requires a special permit for keeping hots. I’ve always wanted to keep a cookies and cream morph speckled. I stopped keeping hots when I had young kids and started a business live relocating indigenous hots in the mountains and high desert, it was a fun and profitable side business. Never ran into a speckled and was unwilling to buy a captive bred. I’ve always preferred to keep wild caught juvies. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:31:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AZJeeper, Do you keep “hots”? At one time, I used to keep Cerastes, Atrox and Heleri buzztails. In San Bernardino county CA, the only requirement to go herping was a valid fishing license. I understand AZ requires a special permit for keeping hots. I’ve always wanted to keep a cookies and cream morph speckled. I stopped keeping hots when I had young kids and started a business live relocating indigenous hots in the mountains and high desert, it was a fun and profitable side business. Never ran into a speckled and was unwilling to buy a captive bred. I’ve always preferred to keep wild caught juvies. You do not need a permit to keep hots in Az. You do need a valid general hunting license to kill or collect rattlesnakes in Az, providing they are not a closed season species. It is also unlawful to buy/sell native reptiles, or to keep non native venomous in Az. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 1:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do not need a permit to keep hots in Az. You do need a valid general hunting license to kill or collect rattlesnakes in Az, providing they are not a closed season species. It is also unlawful to buy/sell native reptiles, or to keep non native venomous in Az. Thanks for the info! Ok, so the AZ law is comparable as to hots. That's good to know. I appreciate the low down about it. 
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Posted: 4/24/2023 11:38:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2023 12:13:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2023 12:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a Gila monster yesterday near the San Pedro river in Cochise county. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191135/GilaMonsterSmaller_jpg-2794095.JPG Nice! Always great to see one. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 1:45:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice! Always great to see one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw a Gila monster yesterday near the San Pedro river in Cochise county. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191135/GilaMonsterSmaller_jpg-2794095.JPG Nice! Always great to see one. What terrain/ what time of the day is the best to try and spot Gila Monsters? I know the like to hide out most of the time, but it would be pretty cool to see one eventually. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 8:44:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a Gila monster yesterday near the San Pedro river in Cochise county. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191135/GilaMonsterSmaller_jpg-2794095.JPG Jealous. I really want to see one. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 9:49:18 PM EDT
[#45]
The king snake has been cruising around the backyard. Still shy.
We came across a flattened long-nosed snake while walking the dogs the other morning. Big guy. 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 12:07:04 AM EDT
[#46]
The first floor of the ASU life science building has a wonderful living collection of rattlesnakes if anyone has a kid attending. I think the general public can view during business hours.
Life Sciences A-wing 451 East Tyler Mall Tempe, AZ 85281 Fun story is I and a female classmate were there 20+ years ago. We went to West, and our prof was giving a symposium type lecture. Both early 20s. Some kids, maybe 9 y/o were running up and down the hall and pounding on the cages, which obviously had no access from the hallway. Someone asked if the kids were ours, which we quickly replied to the negative. Eta basically glass cage flush with the walls that line a few of the halls. I always smile when I go there. Love and respect them |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 12:39:20 AM EDT
[#47]
Already seen 2 diamond backs this last week mountain biking
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Posted: 4/25/2023 1:06:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The king snake has been cruising around the backyard. Still shy. We came across a flattened long-nosed snake while walking the dogs the other morning. Big guy. If my buddy had a few kings on/near his property, he wouldn't have these rattlers showing up. Too bad on the long-nosed. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 1:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first floor of the ASU life science building has a wonderful living collection of rattlesnakes if anyone has a kid attending. I think the general public can view during business hours. Life Sciences A-wing 451 East Tyler Mall Tempe, AZ 85281 Fun story is I and a female classmate were there 20+ years ago. We went to West, and our prof was giving a symposium type lecture. Both early 20s. Some kids, maybe 9 y/o were running up and down the hall and pounding on the cages, which obviously had no access from the hallway. Someone asked if the kids were ours, which we quickly replied to the negative. Eta basically glass cage flush with the walls that line a few of the halls. I always smile when I go there. Love and respect them Last time I was there (30yrs ago or so) L Nienaber was overseeing the collection. I got a behind the scenes tour. They just had a litter of New Mexico Ridge-nosed Rattlesnakes (C willardi obscurus) born, awesome to see! |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 1:20:14 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The king snake has been cruising around the backyard. Still shy. We came across a flattened long-nosed snake while walking the dogs the other morning. Big guy. If you get tired of the King snake I'll take him.
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