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Posted: 8/22/2022 8:43:25 PM EDT
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https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.40.0.pdf
here is the reply we filed. |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 9:16:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Thank you for all the work put in to that
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Posted: 8/22/2022 9:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.40.0.pdf here is the reply we filed. Epic! |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 9:46:43 PM EDT
[#4]
Nice meeting you NoLo
Good luck tomorrow |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 9:50:05 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Nice meeting you NoLo Good luck tomorrow  Good seeing you all as well. Unfortunately being hearing impaired I didn’t pick up a lot of names… and my capacity for remembering them is awful as well. Great dinner among brothers. |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 10:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Good seeing you all as well. Unfortunately being hearing impaired I didn’t pick up a lot of names… and my capacity for remembering them is awful as well. Great dinner among brothers. It's definitely louder there than the private room at the normal place. Glad I left the ammo in the car this time. I doubt that the wait staff and a half dozen other tables would have stayed calm at the sight of a couple dozen boxes of ammo being passed out at our table The food just about put me in a food coma by the time I finished the steak |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 10:31:53 PM EDT
[#7]
Good luck tomorrow Guy's .
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USA
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Posted: 8/22/2022 10:49:46 PM EDT
[#8]
It was an honor and a privilege as always to break bread with all of you again.
Smash them tomorrow, Nolo. |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 11:20:53 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.40.0.pdf here is the reply we filed. A work of art. |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 11:21:58 PM EDT
[#10]
I get a kick out of informing those outside of the derp curtain about all the stupid laws that ruin an otherwise fairly nice state.
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Posted: 8/22/2022 11:22:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CatskillDraht]
[#11]
Thanks for all your efforts Nolo. Good Luck!
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Posted: 8/22/2022 11:27:43 PM EDT
[#12]
It blows my mind how a document like that can be put together. All the references, too. Bravo.
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Posted: 8/22/2022 11:36:38 PM EDT
[#13]
Good luck and many thanks for what you do Nolo. All the best tomorrow!
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Posted: 8/23/2022 8:04:59 AM EDT
[#14]
Grant no quarter. Best of luck today!!!!
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Posted: 8/23/2022 8:25:32 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meathook: Grant no quarter. Best of luck today!!!!
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Posted: 8/23/2022 8:33:30 AM EDT
[#16]
Thanks once again for last night and for all NOLO does. Hopefully today is a huge win for the good guys!
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CT, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2022 10:02:38 AM EDT
[#17]
That was a literary masterpiece! Loved to see each of the defendant's arguments torn apart.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 10:26:42 AM EDT
[#18]
I sure hope logic trumps emotion today.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 11:54:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: I sure hope logic trumps emotion today. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2022 12:06:48 PM EDT
[#20]
Good luck. And thank you for fighting for us, our state and our country.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 12:51:45 PM EDT
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I’ll let Steve do the play by play, but Cliff Notes, the Superintendent of State Police was a no show. Judge offered to subpoena him but Nolo declined probably because it would delay the process and might prevent a timely ruling on the motion.
A lot of shucking and jiving by the defense and I got the distinct feeling that the judge was not happy and his questions were very pointed, particularly on the social media review requirement and how that could chill speech and possibly open people to charges if the reviewing officer felt the messages were potentially criminal. Very I retesting experience for sure! |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I’ll let Steve do the play by play, but Cliff Notes, the Superintendent of State Police was a no show. Judge offered to subpoena him but Nolo declined probably because it would delay the process and might prevent a timely ruling on the motion. A lot of shucking and jiving by the defense and I got the distinct feeling that the judge was not happy and his questions were very pointed, particularly on the social media review requirement and how that could chill speech and possibly open people to charges if the reviewing officer felt the messages were potentially criminal. Very I retesting experience for sure! Can't wait for the rest of the AAR. How the hell does the CLEO not show up? Clearly an intentional move. I hope that pisses off the judge, bigly. Is there any indication of the timing of the release of the decision? |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:02:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I’ll let Steve do the play by play, but Cliff Notes, the Superintendent of State Police was a no show. Judge offered to subpoena him but Nolo declined probably because it would delay the process and might prevent a timely ruling on the motion. A lot of shucking and jiving by the defense and I got the distinct feeling that the judge was not happy and his questions were very pointed, particularly on the social media review requirement and how that could chill speech and possibly open people to charges if the reviewing officer felt the messages were potentially criminal. Very I retesting experience for sure! Is it still ongoing or is the hearing done for today , thanks . |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:25:35 PM EDT
[#24]
Thanks for the brief recap, Hiram. Fingers crossed for a favorable outcome for us.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:32:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:40:06 PM EDT
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Waiting to hear Nolo's opinion on the hearing. Based upon the focus of the Judge's questions you can generally get a sense of where the Court is leaning on the issues presented. Cautiously optimistic with fingers crossed.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.40.0.pdf here is the reply we filed. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:53:10 PM EDT
[#28]
I’m at lunch with Nolo and Ivan.
We will have a decision on the injunction by September 1. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I’ll let Steve do the play by play, but Cliff Notes, the Superintendent of State Police was a no show. Judge offered to subpoena him but Nolo declined probably because it would delay the process and might prevent a timely ruling on the motion. Interested neighbor here. Is it good or bad that the Superintendent didn't show? |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 1:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toker_: Interested neighbor here. Is it good or bad that the Superintendent didn't show? Can’t be deposed if you’re not on the stand. Just delays the inevitable for everyone and puts the judges promised decision by 9/1 under further duress. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 2:14:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: widerstehe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I’ll let Steve do the play by play, but Cliff Notes, the Superintendent of State Police was a no show. What a fucking scumbag move. I hope he couldn't make it on account of unsuccessful emergency Stage IV ass cancer treatment. Piece of shit. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 2:36:33 PM EDT
[#32]
These fuckers are all afraid of too much freedom. It still blows my mind the gymnastics that are performed to limit freedom and deny a constitutionally enshrined right.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 2:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Adirondack47: Can’t be deposed if you’re not on the stand. Just delays the inevitable for everyone and puts the judges promised decision by 9/1 under further duress. Gun stores have been told that ammunition must be stored behind the counter, now if your a gun store I'd like to think that they would want to know ASAP as it's no easy task rearranging your store with new shelving and the like by September 1. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 2:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: It blows my mind how a document like that can be put together. All the references, too. Bravo. Rob Olson, another attorney for GOA, wrote most of that. He is a much better writer than I am. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 2:58:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
[#35]
Well done on the reply Nolo/GOA. Nailed every point.
The judge would be a fool to allow a single part of this law to stand. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:00:51 PM EDT
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What is this I'm hearing about Antonyuk [plaintiff] admitting that there is no burden to ask permission to carry in a private establishment.
Uhhh... come again? Might as well light that 40+ pages on fire if thats the case, unless I'm understanding that wrong. 
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:06:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Thanks for the update, and thanks NOLO for fighting the good fight.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:16:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: What is this I'm hearing about Antonyuk [plaintiff] admitting that there is no burden to ask permission to carry in a private establishment. Uhhh... come again? Might as well light that 40+ pages on fire if thats the case, unless I'm understanding that wrong. So if I'm on a road trip from buffalo to long island, I have to call every restaurant, gas station and bathroom stop on the route to ask for permission to carry there? That is no burden? |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:28:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fp1201]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: What is this I'm hearing about Antonyuk [plaintiff] admitting that there is no burden to ask permission to carry in a private establishment. Uhhh... come again? Might as well light that 40+ pages on fire if thats the case, unless I'm understanding that wrong. Does "asking" IF it's OK to Carry Concealed in an establishment or other "sensitive" location not verbally expose the fact that you are or likely are carrying a Firearm?  For those of you inclined to READ the entire Law (and I strongly suggest you do despite its length) AFAIK this IS the final iteration, but if I'm wrong PLEASE make it known: https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/S51001 |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:37:17 PM EDT
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Constitutional rights are implied on private property unless expressly forbidden with a clear sign...
And even then, it shouldn't be a state punishment if you carry against the wishes of a private property owner...only trespassing if you refuse to leave. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:47:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: What is this I'm hearing about Antonyuk [plaintiff] admitting that there is no burden to ask permission to carry in a private establishment. Uhhh... come again? Might as well light that 40+ pages on fire if thats the case, unless I'm understanding that wrong. So keep this in mind. Ivan speak ukranian, russian and a bunch of other slavic languages. English is not his first or even his fifth language. the question was "what is the harm" in asking if you can carry. not, is it a burden to ask. of course it is a burden. But the question was "what is the harm" in asking someone if you can carry in their business. not whether it is a burden. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 3:52:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: So keep this in mind. Ivan speak ukranian, russian and a bunch of other slavic languages. English is not his first or even his fifth language. the question was "what is the harm" in asking if you can carry. not, is it a burden to ask. of course it is a burden. But the question was "what is the harm" in asking someone if you can carry in their business. not whether it is a burden. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 4:06:29 PM EDT
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So... does one need to ask in English, or can someone ask in some obscure language and nod their head while asking to get an affirmative response to the question?
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/23/2022 4:09:51 PM EDT
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This hearing has made the NYC news. WCBS 880 has been reporting on it taking place in Syracuse today. Little details other than saying it is challenging where you can carry in New York City
Of course the entire world revolves around NYC so that is the way it is reported.
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Posted: 8/23/2022 4:12:28 PM EDT
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What’s the message sent from NYSP to Upstate gun owners? Might there be a trust issue? How will NYSP commitment to law and order be perceived?
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Posted: 8/23/2022 4:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abom: What’s the message sent from NYSP to Upstate gun owners? Might there be a trust issue? How will NYSP commitment to law and order be perceived? They they care enough about our rights to not even show up. That's the message. |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 4:30:44 PM EDT
[#47]
Can't wait for the AAR!
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Posted: 8/23/2022 4:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fighter443: Can't wait for the AAR! Docket Text: TEXT Minute Entry for proceedings held before Chief Judge Glenn T. Suddaby: Motion Hearing held on 8/23/2022 re Plaintiffs' [9] Motion for Preliminary Injunction filed by Ivan Antonyuk, Gun Owners Foundation, Gun Owners of America New York, Inc., and Gun Owners of America, Inc.. Plaintiffs' counsel calls Erich M. Pratt as a witness who appears via video through Microsoft Teams. Plaintiffs' counsel rests on Mr. Pratt's Declaration filed in this action. Attorney McCartin cross-examines this witness. Re-direct by Plaintiffs' counsel. 10:55 AM - Plaintiffs' counsel calls William Robinson as witness. Plaintiffs' counsel rests on Mr. Robinson's Declaration filed in this action. Attorney McCartin cross-examines this witness. Re-direct by Plaintiffs' counsel. 11:07 AM - Plaintiffs' counsel calls Ivan Antonyuk as a witness. Plaintiffs' counsel rests on Mr. Antonyuk's Affidavit filed in this action. Attorney McCartin cross-examines this witness. 11:19 AM - Plaintiffs' counsel intended to call Kevin Bruen as a witness, however, he is not present for today's proceeding. Defendant's counsel was previously advised by the Court that it is their decision as to whether or not Kevin Bruen should be present for this hearing. Chief Judge Suddaby notes that a subpoena can be issued for this witness to testify and today's hearing can be adjourned, however, Plaintiffs' counsel no longer requests Kevin Bruen's appearance. Oral argument is heard by Plaintiffs' counsel. 11:33 AM - Oral argument is heard by Defendant's counsel. 12:13 PM - Plaintiffs' counsel argues in reply to Defendant's argument. 12:12 PM - Defendant's counsel argues in reply to Plaintiffs' argument. 12:24 PM - Chief Judge Suddaby reserves decision and a written decision will be forthcoming. Court is adjourned. APP: Stephen Stamboulieh, Esq. for Plaintiffs. Michael McCartin, AAG & James Thompson, AAG for Defendant. (Court Reporter Jodi Hibbard) (sal) |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 6:15:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Rob Olson, another attorney for GOA, wrote most of that. He is a much better writer than I am. Thank you all! |
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Posted: 8/23/2022 7:40:19 PM EDT
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Thank you for what you are doing.
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