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Posted: 1/3/2019 9:35:07 PM EDT
 Tyrants Illegally Seizure Firearms, Camera and Unlawful Detainment While Fishing I personally know two of the three officers and also know the supervisor. Not fucking impressed. edited title-makeitflyfast |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 9:39:21 PM EDT
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They will soon find out their mistake. Just like Miami Beach PD.
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Posted: 1/3/2019 9:55:48 PM EDT
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I sure as hell hope they feel it but it'll just come out of my taxes.
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Posted: 1/3/2019 10:24:06 PM EDT
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I smell weed. I smell alcohol. Fucking classic dirtbag moves, fishing for a reason to arrest
on some made up charges to pin on that guy. I'll keep my trap shut because there is nothing polite left to say here. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:17:25 PM EDT
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Morons. That includes all parties involved.
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:53:46 PM EDT
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Most cops I've met are anti gun for anyone but them. I think it's because they are pissed that they didn't become firefighters instead.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 1:31:41 PM EDT
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Morons. That includes all parties involved. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 1:42:07 PM EDT
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 2:57:33 PM EDT
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one. While the officers were as wrong as two boys fucking, I found their attitudes acceptable. They were generally calm, open minded some, and realized their mistake. Perhaps the guy would have been of more meaningful service to the 2nd by donating his time to appear at agencies open house, training, citizen's academies, citizens' forums, etc. to discuss these tid-bits in the law, maybe pass out flyers of highlighted parts of the law, etc. vs. baiting a confrontation and using it to educate. He clearly set out to get stopped... not sure that's safe for anyone. Personally, I hate to see officers so ill informed and I hate to see citizens intentionally engage in conduct they know will generate confrontation... it's not safe for anyone and if shit went south it would provide yet another gun statistic. Anyone wishing to counter with the argument "good for him, the cops were idiots, he was lawful and within his rights" my response to that is cops can enforce tons of chicken-shit laws but most don't... do we really want both sides to do what they can legally just because they can? It goes both ways. He would had been better off just walking up to cops, ask a question about open carry, and then take satisfaction correcting the ones who need correcting. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 2:59:09 PM EDT
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Most cops I've met are anti gun for anyone but them. I think it's because they are pissed that they didn't become firefighters instead. You need to come hang out in my area... |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 4:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree... however, as hot of a topic firearms are right now in FL, there's no excuse for agencies not training officers in the law seeing as this issue was just in the news recently down south. While the officers were as wrong as two boys fucking, I found their attitudes acceptable. They were generally calm, open minded some, and realized their mistake. Perhaps the guy would have been of more meaningful service to the 2nd by donating his time to appear at agencies open house, training, citizen's academies, citizens' forums, etc. to discuss these tid-bits in the law, maybe pass out flyers of highlighted parts of the law, etc. vs. baiting a confrontation and using it to educate. He clearly set out to get stopped... not sure that's safe for anyone. Personally, I hate to see officers so ill informed and I hate to see citizens intentionally engage in conduct they know will generate confrontation... it's not safe for anyone and if shit went south it would provide yet another gun statistic. Anyone wishing to counter with the argument "good for him, the cops were idiots, he was lawful and within his rights" my response to that is cops can enforce tons of chicken-shit laws but most don't... do we really want both sides to do what they can legally just because they can? It goes both ways. He would had been better off just walking up to cops, ask a question about open carry, and then take satisfaction correcting the ones who need correcting. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 4:21:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Although they were calm, 2 of them clearly wanted to hem him up for any reason, even if they had to make something up. These encounters shouldnt happen, but it takes people exercising their rights for them to come to the surface. Whats even worse is the cherry picking and self interpretation of the law as they read it based on their belief. Im really on the fence about these things and Im fairly pro LE. It does make one wonder how I would be treated for excecising my rights without intent of conflict. It does show face value that all police are not educated in the law they took an oath to protect, and not all of them really care about our rights under those laws, and thats what is concerning. Its safe to say that the 3 initial officers responding are not ones I would trust with my life and rights. Thats not good odds considering 3 units on initial response were that ignorant about a persons rights and 2 were scheeming to take him in. How many other people have been arrested or charged for things they havent been guilty of by those 2? Not an excuse attempt... just pointing out there's a LOT out there. Judges, lawyers, and cops don't know it all... never will. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 4:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many of our laws are often wordy, confusing, appear conflicting, complex, and chalked full of exceptions hidden throughout the rather large law book... they lacked knowledge of and exception to the open carry law... not bad really considering the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of laws, exceptions, involving limitless acts and omissions. Not an excuse attempt... just pointing out there's a LOT out there. Judges, lawyers, and cops don't know it all... never will. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 4:56:55 PM EDT
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Ive had nothing but positive interactions my whole life but it just makes you wonder if you could be ruined if you crossed the wrong officer at the wrong time. Or on a bigger picture, just how far they will go to violate any constitutional right over an order or perception of laws. Many of us realize we won't have a badge forever, what goes around comes around... and our friends and family are out there on the same streets as the rest of you. Keep in mind your previous positive interactions as they represent MOST of what happens in LE today. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 6:26:18 PM EDT
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 7:41:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? You need to come hang out in my area... |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 7:46:44 PM EDT
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Amazingly enough, the other agencies in this county have positive interactions with him on camera and by his own account. PSLPD was once full of New York/Jersey/CT assholes. They act like we are in those states still. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 8:00:42 PM EDT
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one.  All this is going to accomplish is to get the Law changed and then nobody will be able to open carry anymore, even out in the woods where this law (in my opinion) was designed to be used. Why the hell do you need to push the issue.  Flame on.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why guys like me and others work hard to police our own... no one hates a shit cop worse than a good cop... for the very reasons you posted. Many of us realize we won't have a badge forever, what goes around comes around... and our friends and family are out there on the same streets as the rest of you. Keep in mind your previous positive interactions as they represent MOST of what happens in LE today. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:42:00 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_cool.gif All this is going to accomplish is to get the Law changed and then nobody will be able to open carry anymore, even out in the woods where this law (in my opinion) was designed to be used. Why the hell do you need to push the issue. https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_blackeye.gif Flame on. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:56:29 PM EDT
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No one wants to mention the child eaten by an alligator where he was fishing years back. Local knowledge is worth something.
Stop being pussies with open carry. I open carry fishing here. Been thanked for it by fellow fishermen. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 12:37:21 AM EDT
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I use the holster pouch by maxpedition. Very fast to open with the single tab pull down and less attention.
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:28:35 PM EDT
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Morons. That includes all parties involved. In today's politically motivated society one should EXPECT to get hassled by doing such things. There is just not enough common sense to go around. This isn't deep in the Everglades, or the middle of central Florida. This is anti gun urban infested south east Florida.... |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 4:34:18 PM EDT
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When I lived in that neck of the woods Port Saint Lucie was heavily populated by New Jersey transplants. Appears nothing's changed.
And as a former LEO I find Officers like this are a direct product of their administration. And I get real tired of the "Officer Safety" excuse to violate a persons rights, if you're that afraid find another line of work.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 6:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True, and yet we allow our officials to make more and more convoluted laws. The final officer to arrive was pretty respectful and up to speed. I dont expect every officer to know all the laws but I do take issue with abuse of authority. Its hard to respect the LE population as a whole when a small fraction is willing to wreck your life over an ego and a power trip. That which seem to be fairly prevalant and even covered over by other officers and departments. 2 of 4 officers here were perfectly willing to trump up some charges. I bet they are still on the job without any disciplinary actions taken. Ive had nothing but positive interactions my whole life but it just makes you wonder if you could be ruined if you crossed the wrong officer at the wrong time. Or on a bigger picture, just how far they will go to violate any constitutional right over an order or perception of laws. 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 8:38:31 PM EDT
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I deal with dickholes all day long, so I treat everybody like they are dickholes. It is VERY satisfying to have Joe. Q. Public come off first like an asshole and then spin it around to where they realize you're not "one of those" type cops... then, they can't seem to apologize enough for starting the encounter off like an ass. Doesn't work all the time, but often enough to satisfy. Makes me wonder just how many POSITIVE interactions there have been out there that were recorded, but because it didn't suit the recorder's agenda, they were never published. True story, stopped a car today... observed in the glove box a box of Hornady Critical Defense ammo... I didn't say a damn word... and it was almost as if the driver and passenger, who actually moved the box to get the registration, were waiting on it. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 9:56:13 PM EDT
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I'm sure you've heard the saying... and our Sheriff repeats it often when welcoming new Deputies... We treat people the way they allow us to treat them. It is VERY satisfying to have Joe. Q. Public come off first like an asshole and then spin it around to where they realize you're not "one of those" type cops... then, they can't seem to apologize enough for starting the encounter off like an ass. Doesn't work all the time, but often enough to satisfy. Makes me wonder just how many POSITIVE interactions there have been out there that were recorded, but because it didn't suit the recorder's agenda, they were never published. True story, stopped a car today... observed in the glove box a box of Hornady Critical Defense ammo... I didn't say a damn word... and it was almost as if the driver and passenger, who actually moved the box to get the registration, were waiting on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I deal with dickholes all day long, so I treat everybody like they are dickholes. It is VERY satisfying to have Joe. Q. Public come off first like an asshole and then spin it around to where they realize you're not "one of those" type cops... then, they can't seem to apologize enough for starting the encounter off like an ass. Doesn't work all the time, but often enough to satisfy. Makes me wonder just how many POSITIVE interactions there have been out there that were recorded, but because it didn't suit the recorder's agenda, they were never published. True story, stopped a car today... observed in the glove box a box of Hornady Critical Defense ammo... I didn't say a damn word... and it was almost as if the driver and passenger, who actually moved the box to get the registration, were waiting on it. Edit: My trainees who have difficulty dealing with people as cops get to watch Andy Griffith training videos. If Andy can't teach you how to talk to people as an LEO, you're broken. You don't have to be a soft touch, but you can talk to them nicely until it's time to not talk nicely. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 2:53:22 PM EDT
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Born and raised in Miami. I know a bunch of officers from different PD's. Bunch of them are friends. Older ones will usually be nice and friendly. Younger ones are the A***holes that screw it up for the good ones with their ego trips and power trips. They think they have to right to do anything to anyone.
I have had a lot of confrontations with them and just can't stand officers anymore. Mainly because they don't know or care to know the law and god forbid you correct them! BUT for the video, why look for trouble? This guy CLEARLY was looking to get stopped and go through thus issue. People like that is what makes people hate 2nd amendment. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 7:28:59 PM EDT
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Ignorantia juris non excusat.
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:02:05 PM EDT
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Ignorantia juris non excusat. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 4:29:38 AM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_cool.gif All this is going to accomplish is to get the Law changed and then nobody will be able to open carry anymore, even out in the woods where this law (in my opinion) was designed to be used. Why the hell do you need to push the issue. https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_blackeye.gif Flame on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one. 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:01:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you don't want for people to open carry, but you still want the law in the books? What's the point of having it, if you don't want for some people to use it? The point of having it is to open carry in the woods, anyone can put on a backpack and walk down the side of the road and claim they are "Hiking" or throw up a tent in the neighborhood park and call it camping. I will be here to say I told you so.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:24:23 PM EDT
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Ignorantia juris non excusat. Funny thing though; the opposite "I didn't know that open carry in Publix is illegal officer, I'll just throw my shirt over my gun and be on my way" never works. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 2:06:27 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_cool.gif The point of having it is to open carry in the woods, anyone can put on a backpack and walk down the side of the road and claim they are "Hiking" or throw up a tent in the neighborhood park and call it camping. I will be here to say I told you so. (h)A person engaged in fishing, camping, or lawful hunting or going to or returning from a fishing, camping, or lawful hunting expedition; http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.25.html "The point" of the law is perfectly clear and it doesn't mention "in the woods" any more than the second amendment mentions "deer hunting". There are gators in the local canals, as well as in the lake right behind my house 40 feet from my back door; "in the woods" means absolutely nothing so far as their presence goes. Additionally, there's no provision in the law that legalizes open carry while simply "hiking" so your assertion is totally incorrect on its face. Yes, one may open carry while engaged in camping in any area where it's legally permissible to camp, but if it's prohibited to camp in a neighborhood park, it's also illegal to carry openly. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny thing though; the opposite "I didn't know that open carry in Publix is illegal officer, I'll just throw my shirt over my gun and be on my way" never works. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:20:50 PM EDT
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It doesn't? I guess I'll just go back and arrest those guys from GA that I warned in the restaurant. I didnt realize that sort of thing never happens. |
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Posted: 1/16/2019 6:29:39 PM EDT
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It doesn't? I guess I'll just go back and arrest those guys from GA that I warned in the restaurant. I didnt realize that sort of thing never happens.   
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Posted: 1/17/2019 4:38:20 PM EDT
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IMHO the guy was looking for a confrontation and got one. I guess ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law unless you are the law! I’m pro LEO and have many LEO friends. But, learn the laws and don’t be a douch bag because u have a badge on. My lawyer would have a field day on that department |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:17:41 PM EDT
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I've met the guy in the video several times. He's a pretty regular customer here at Lotus Gunworks in Jensen Beach.
He's got very good intentions and is a very mellow dude who is standing up for his rights when a lot of people will not. And I know all the fishing spots in the video. PSL is like a mini-New York when it comes to attitudes, people, and police. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 5:39:29 PM EDT
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I've met Mike in person. He ain't anti-cop. Just very pro freedom.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 10:03:00 PM EDT
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I've met the guy in the video several times. He's a pretty regular customer here at Lotus Gunworks in Jensen Beach. He's got very good intentions and is a very mellow dude who is standing up for his rights when a lot of people will not. And I know all the fishing spots in the video. PSL is like a mini-New York when it comes to attitudes, people, and police. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 8:51:19 AM EDT
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Just rather keep my low profile and carry concealed.
It's my little secret. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 12:49:04 PM EDT
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Just rather keep my low profile and carry concealed. It's my little secret. |
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