Bill passed the House as amended

Per John Craven, News12 reporter, HB 6667 could be voted upon tomarrow or next tuesday.

HAPPENING TODAY: CT House expects to vote on these bills today

\uD83D\uDC8A Contraceptive sales in college vending machines

\uD83D\uDEDE Tire recycling

\uD83E\uDEAA State IDs for people leaving prison

Also: We're told @GovNedLamont's major gun control bill should run tomorrow or Tuesday

John Craven  (@johncraven1) May 24, 2023

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HAPPENING TODAY: CT House expects to vote on these bills today

?? Contraceptive sales in college vending machines

?? Tire recycling

?? State IDs for people leaving prison

Also: We're told @GovNedLamont's major gun control bill should run tomorrow or Tuesday
12:12 PM · May 24, 2023


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Thanks for the title update. Been tied up in the reddit thread on this.

They amended the bill to remove some stuff and add some stuff most major anti gun stuff is still there. Its 93 pages or so. So it will take some time for people to read through it and figure out what exactly has changed. Some of the things they've changed:

Loaded magazine indicator and magazine disconnect appear to have been removed.
3 guns per month limit not 1 gun per month.
Ban on 18-20 year old buying long guns removed.
10 day waiting period removed.
Rimfire rifle single feature ban removed still subject to two evil feature ban.
Bar/restaurant carry ban removed.
Added: specific gun dockets in Bridgeport and 3 other courts
Stricter bail and parolee rules
If locals don't approve pistol permit by 16 weeks it goes to the state who will either approve or deny after something like 32 weeks. (That section still doesn't really deal with the intentional ignoring of the permitting statute timelines by the locals - under this bill one would wait slightly less longer than they would have).
There is some added language about times of emergency and the state approving/denying permits the locals haven't approved or denied.

The vote breakdown, a couple of back stabbing Republicans voted for it.

https://cga.ct.gov/2023/VOTE/H/PDF/2023HV-00176-R00HB06667-HV.PDF

The issue now is because the amended HB 6667 essentially bans entire classes of weapons (no new sales) and does a whole bunch of other stuff that is unconstitutional per Bruen, can the plaintiffs in the Grant v Lamont case file to amended their complaint (hopefully quickly) to included all this new shit?

They also banned others and prebans right? meaning a new registration window should open for these.  Would be great to see an injunction filed as soon as it's signed by the King.

Yes. Large portions of the previous HB 6667 remains. Others and prebans would be banned as AW's and would need to be registered. Links to the amended bills they passed.

House Schedule B LCO# 8718 (D) (doc)

House Schedule A LCO# 8693 (D) (doc)

The Schedule B bill amends a couple of portions in Schedule A.

Edit to add: And yes it would be great to see an injunction issued shortly after it's signed (if signed) by Lamont. I doubt any court though has the balls to do so. They'll most likely defer to the state as they've been doing for decades an allow the anti gun law(s) to stand while they let the legal challenge work is slow way through the court system.

At least we now have Bruen.  They can't find historical analogs, so they will drag their feet with court hearings.

Do we know if registered others can then be made into other configurations?

Under the ATF brace ruling a registered - Form 1'd - Other (i.e. pistol in free states) is considered SBR.  I guess if the new state ban goes through these registered Others will be considered regular SBRs, at which point a regular stock may be attached to them.  That's just my understanding, I am not a legal expert and this is not legal advice.

Not sure about this, I think I read something where ATF said must remain in original configuration as registered? Would seem to preclude swapping out the brace. Maybe SB can chime in when things be come clearer.

Basic Synopsis on the Amended HB 6667:

No open carry outside one's home, or one's property, or one's business. A bunch of exemptions listed including one dealing with printing. Uses nebulous terms "knowingly carry any firearm with intent to display".

Each law enforcement unit to compile data on each incident of a person stopped upon suspicion of violating open carry ban. Information to include race. Sets dates when report to be initially compiled and the compiled annually after. First report not later than 2/1/25. Report to be "reviewed" and recommendations made to Governor and relevant legislative committee.

Violating open carry is a class B misdemeanor for first offence and class A misdemeanor for subsequent offences, court may suspend prosecution if violation not of "serious nature" and person will probably not offend in the future.

On/after Jan 1, 2024 illegal to possess firearm without serial number unless one declared possession of firearm to DESPP or has obtained a serial number from DESPP.

Any unserialized firearm manufactured prior to Oct 1, 2019 is supposed to be declared to state by Jan 1, 2024 via new form. Usual exemptions for military outside state.

Any person who moves into CT with a unserialized firearm within 90 days shall either obtain a serial number and engrave it on the firearm , or remove firearm from state, or render firearm permanently inoperable, or sell firearm to FFL. Usual exemption for military who have 90 days to declare firearm to state after returning to state. (NOTE: there doesn't appear to be an option to not mark the firearm.)

No person may keep, sell, import, etc a unseralized firearm. Exemption for firearm declared to state that is transferred by bequest/intestate succession or upon death of testator or settlor or to a trust or from trust to beneficiary. Exemption for police and DESPP. Exemptions on unserialized firearms for antiques and firearms manufactured prior to December 16, 1968.

Changes the retail "sale at retail of pistols and revolvers permit" to "sale at retail of firearms permit". Updates language in various statutes for buying firearms/ammunition to reflect the permit name change.

New statute created listing a number actions a person holding a "a permit to sell firearms at retail" shall not do along with actions they are supposed to do each year (like inventory).

Limits sale/transfer of handguns to 3 handguns a month. Except firearm instructor limited to 6 handguns a month. Usual government employees exempted. FFL to FFL exempted provided they report transaction to DESPP, transfer to museum exempted. (NOTE: there doesn't appear to be an exemption for transfers upon death or liquidation of collection.)

Removed "at retail" for prohibiting the selling, transferring, delivering any semi-automatic centerfire rifle that has or accepts a magazine with a capacity exceeding five rounds to any person under twenty-one years of age. Usual exemptions for military and police. Now one is prohibited from selling said 5+ round semiauto centerfire rifle to someone under 21 in face to face private sale.

Revised safe storage statute to mandate all firearms to be locked up unless under person's control or carried by person. Removes minor and prohibited person language.

Revises criminally negligent storage of firearm statute to remove language about minors and prohibited persons. Indicates section does not apply if someone obtains firearm by unlawful entry into premises by any person and if the firearm is stolen, that it is reported per law.

Any person who possesses a "2023 assault weapon" prior to effective date of law may transfer possession of said firearm to FFL in or outside of CT, or sell said firearm outside of CT and transport said firearm to such dealer without obtaining AW certificate of possession.

FFL or pawnbroker may transfer possession of "2023 assault weapon" to any person who legally possessed said firearm prior to effective date of law if said firearm was placed in possession of such dealer or pawnbroker for sale of said firearm to third person.

Bans "others" and any other non rifle, pistol shotgun semiautomatic firearm regardless of date of manufacture that has at least one of the following:

Any grip of the weapon (i.e. pistol grip)

accepts detachable magazine outside pistol grip.

Fixed magazine more than 10 rounds.

Flash suppressor or silencer or threaded barrel capable of accepting either suppressor or silencer.

Barrel shroud

Second hand grip

Arm or stabilizing brace (with or without strap)

Bans "prebans" (firearm manufactured prior to 9/13/94) that meet the 2 evil feature list from the law as it was on Jan 1, 2013.

Indicates possession of "2023 assault weapon" includes purchase transactions prior to effective date of section and lays out the requirements of such transaction.

Requires person with "2023 assault weapon" to register said firearm as an assault weapon by May 1, 2024. With usual exemptions for military stationed outside CT and for usual government employees and usual registration requirement for persons separate from job/duty. "The Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection shall accept applications both in paper and electronic form, to the extent practicable, and shall not require such applications be notarized."

Confusing language about ATF pistol brace classified SBR firearms and assault weapon certificates. Appears to indicate one with ATF pistol brace classified SBR submits a copy of their Form 1 to DESPP by August 1, 2023. Appears to indicate if Form 1 not processed by ATF one may apply for (new) temporary assault weapon certificate of possession by May 1, 2024. Temporary certificate expires Jan 1, 2027 and seven days succeeding a denial of Form 1 application. When Form 1 approved one may apply to DESPP to convert temporary certificate to full certificate of possession. People with ATF pistol brace classified SBR should read those sections (Sec. 24 and Sec. 25) very carefully to understand what they are being required to do.

No 2023 assault weapon with certificate of possession may be sold/transferred on or after effective date of law other than to FFL, by bequest/intestate succession, death of testator or settlor, to a trust, or from trust to beneficiary eligible to possess assault weapon, or as provided in section 53-202e.

Possession of undeclared large capacity is a class D felony if person is prohibited from possessing firearms. A class A misdemeanor for other who are eligible to possess firearms. Court may order suspension of prosecution.

For initial long gun, pistol permit, pistol eligibility applications, after July 1, 2024 the NRA/safety course is only good for 2 years. Further the course should include instructions in state law requirements pertaining to safe storage in home and vehicles, lawful use of firearms and lawful carrying of firearms in public. Adds another prohibition to obtaining permit or certificate: "a misdemeanor violation of any law of this state that has been designated as a family violence crime pursuant to section 46b-38h".

"Misdemeanor violation of any law of this state that has been designated as a family violence crime pursuant to section 46b-38h and was committed on or after October 1, 2023" added to criminal possession of firearm, ammunition, stun gun, pistol or revolver statutes.

Firearms sold at retail to include trigger lock or other locking device. Previously was handguns.

No person shall carry/possess in any vehicle or snowmobile any loaded firearm other than pistol or revolver while such firearm contains in the barrel, chamber or magazine any loaded shell/cartridge capable of being discharged. Muzzleloaders cannot have cap in place or powder in flintlock pan.

Need pistol, long gun, ammunition permit/certificate to buy body armor face to face. Usual people exempted. Changes body armor definition to include "bullet penetration resistant" and to be worn on or under clothing like a vest or other article of clothing.

Adds serious firearm offense and serious firearm offender to penial code definitions.

Several sections dealing with offenders, repeat offenders, parolees, and out on bail and possessing guns added.

New sections added dealing with firearm related crime dockets for courts in Fairfield, Hartford, New Haven and Waterbury.

Preban statue (53-202m) repealed.

Directs DESPP to develop mass shooting response plan. " A mass shooting event is deemed to occur when, within a period of twenty-four hours, four or more individuals are shot within a three-mile radius."

Modifies pistol permit application language to try and deal with locals ignoring 8 week approve/deny time frame. Revised language still doesn't really deal with the locals ignoring 8 week limit to approve/deny application. Prior to 3/30/24 the applicant waits 32 weeks after submitting the pistol permit application to the local issuing authority before applying via sworn affidavit to DESPP if the locals haven't approved/denied their application, or 16 weeks for applications filed on/after 4/1/24. DESPP would then, within 8 weeks, either approve or deny the pistol permit application and issue a state pistol permit. During any declared national/state emergency DESPP shall not accept affidavit until 32 weeks after submission of application to local issuing authority.

i love this state

So I guess my Ruger PC carbine, M1 carbine, and WWII Russian SVT now are AWs.

Just returned from a two week trip to MT/WY.  Different world out there!

Do any of the references to January 1, 2023 have any bearing on the effect of the law?  

Bans "others" and any other non rifle, pistol shotgun semiautomatic firearm regardless of date of manufacture that has at least one of the following:

Since they are rifles, shouldn't they still be good to go?

How so? If they are prebans, do they violate the pre 2013 law's two evil feature ban? If yes then the proposed amended bill says one would be required to register them as AW's and the AW ban on sales/transfers to non exempted persons applies. If not then they're fine/legal.

Not sure I understand the question. Which references to Jan 1, 2023 are you referring to?

“(2) The person lawfully possessed such assault weapon on the date1747
immediately preceding the effective date of this section, under the1748
provisions of sections 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, as amended by this1749
act, and section 53-202m of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised1750
to January 1, 2023; and”

Ok having reread this abomination of a amended bill, there are two section that are beyond incredibly confusing. They deal with the ATF brace rule reclassed SBR (Form 1) firearms. They deal with two sections in the amended House bill (Sec. 24, subdivision (f) and Sec. 25, subdivision (a)(4)(C)) and two different CT statutes (53-202c and 53-202d). 53-202c deals with prohibiting possession of AW's and the exemptions. While 53-202d deals with the AW certificate of possession issuance.

So as I think I understand it right now. They are saying that to comply with the AW possession exemption of 53-202c, as one did in the past, one would apply for the AW certificate of possession. They indicate "2023 assault weapon" possessors would apply for that AW certificate of possession. But for firearms classified as SBR's under the final ATF brace rule they don't appear to be saying that for 53-202c. Instead they indicate for those specific reclassified SBR firearms, one sends a copy of the Form 1 application to DESPP not later than August 1, 2023.

Now for the 53-202d part. It appears (I think) to indicate that if one has followed the steps for SBR firearms in 53-202c mention previously and who's Form 1 has not yet been processed by ATF, may instead apply by May 1, 2024 for a "temporary certificate of possession" from DESPP. That temporary certificate of possession "shall expire on the earlier of January 1, 2027" (that is the exact wording used in quotes). And the temporary certificate of possession expires "the date seven days succeeding a denial of the Form 1 application." If the Form 1 application is approved by ATF one applies to DESPP "to convert such temporary certificate of possession into a certificate of possession". It goes on to explain what constitutes a "full and complete Form 1 application submitted to" DESPP. And further indicates that DESPP shall accept the application in both paper and electronic form, and shall not require such applications to be notarized.

It's entirely possible I'm reading and understanding these sections wrong.

Removable mags, bayonet lugs, SVT has muzzle break/flash hider.  PC carbine threaded for suppressor

The configs of the PC Carbine that you've been able to buy in CT since it was released by Ruger don't seem to change, I don't see anything changing how a semi-auto centerfire rifle is classified by CT as an "assault weapon".

There is a config of that gun with a pistol grip stock, but we've never been able to buy it since it's inception since it was always an assault weapon.  We've been able to buy the conventional stock and magpul backpacker stock version, with a threaded barrel, all along.

Which version of the HB 6667 bill are you pulling that from? The APP Joint Favorable? The house amended that bill and issued a later version yesterday called: House Schedule A LCO# 8693 (D). They amended portions of that initial amended bill with this one: House Schedule B LCO# 8718 (D). From the amended House bill this appears to be the section you reference:

"(2) The person lawfully possessed such assault weapon on the date immediately preceding the effective date of this section, under the provisions of sections 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, as amended by this act, and section 53-202m of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2023; and"

That section appears to be indicating that for a "2023 assault weapon" (including prebans), one had to lawfully possess the firearm on the date immediately preceding the effective date of the section (which is from bill passage). The January 1, 2023 part appears to be referring to the preban statute (53-202m) and indicating that that one refers to that specific statute, that is defining what a preban is, as it existed on January 1, 2023. They are repealing the preban statute. See page 91, line 2944, Sec 49 of the amended house bill. At least that how it all seems to read to me.

If they're all prebans the you look at the elements of each one to figure out if they'd be an AW under the proposed amended House bill. Since you appear to be indicating preban rifles it appears they would be filtered through the following (the law as it was on Jan 1, 2013):

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) A bayonet mount;
(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) A grenade launcher;

Remember, it take two banned elements from the list. A detachable magazine is just a qualifier, not one of the two banned features. And a muzzle brake is not on the banned feature list, a flash suppressor is.

The language from the proposed house bill banning prebans as AW's (page 46, line 1440):

"(H) Any semiautomatic firearm that meets the criteria set forth in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, that was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994; or"

They repeal the preban statute (53-202m) in the amended House bill on page 91, line 2944:
"Sec. 49. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed. (Effective from passage)"

I wish they understood that criminals don't care about laws.  The law abiding among us will struggle so much to know what's ok with this nonsense.

I really hope we can push this through the court system and get a win.

That was one of my several guesses, but I was at a loss for the random date they chose instead of using the date the current set of laws passed or went into effect.

It makes a whole lot more sense when you understand that gun control ultimately isn't about addressing the criminal committing crimes. Its about government power and control over the people.

Interesting, seems I may not have to register one of my prebans if I pin a brake on it and put the A2 stock back on.

How the media is gleefully portraying the house amended bill. They dutifully regurgitate Lamont's comments.

Connecticut House passes expansive legislation to prevent gun violence

“We need to do everything we can to keep our communities safe and prevent those who intend on doing harm from accessing these deadly weapons,” Gov. Ned Lamont said. “The provisions included in this legislation are supported by the overwhelming majority of Connecticut residents – including many gun owners – because they want to live in a community that has commonsense measures that encourage gun safety and prevent harm from impacting our neighborhoods and homes.”

Wait, what?!  They still distinguish prebans from other AWs?  Unbelievable.

Wtf
When do these clowns vote in the senate on this pile of crap that is impossible to understand?

They are distinguishing "others" from other AW's as well since they gave it it's own ban section including some different evil features that ban "others".

(G) Any semiautomatic firearm other than a pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun, regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that has at least one of the following:
(i) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;
(ii) An ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside of the pistol grip;
(iii) A fixed magazine with the ability to accept more than ten rounds;
(iv) A flash suppressor or silencer, or a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor or silencer;
(v) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to fire the firearm without being burned, except a slide that encloses the barrel;
(vi) A second hand grip; or
(vii) An arm brace or other stabilizing brace that could allow such firearm to be fired from the shoulder, with or without a strap designed to attach to an individual's arm;

In the original Lamont introduced HB 6667 they also put in the ban on single feature semiautomatic detachable magazine rimfire rifles that fortunately got removed from the House amended version. No doubt if the current version of HB 6667 passes the Democrats will be back next year to put that removed language back in.

Any news on when then vote in senate?

Well, since others are being banned with this bill then the other configuration becomes irrelevant altogether I guess. They now are "AW"s.  So if you have Form 1'd an other,  it's becoming a registered "AW" and presumably can be configured into a true SBR.  That's my take anyway.

Yeah I know lol

If anyone knows where this below part is in the shit law could they post the details please?


Indicates possession of "2023 assault weapon" includes purchase transactions prior to effective date of section and lays out the requirements of such transaction.

See page 47, Sec. 23, line 1485 of the amended house bill:

"(B) With respect to a 2023 assault weapon, (i) actual possession that is lawful under sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, (ii) constructive possession pursuant to a lawful purchase transacted prior to the effective date of this section, regardless of whether such assault weapon was delivered to the purchaser prior to the effective date of this section, which lawful purchase is evidenced by a writing sufficient to indicate that (I) a contract for sale was made between the parties prior to the effective date of this section, for the purchase of such assault weapon, or (II) full or partial payment for such assault weapon was made by the purchaser to the seller of such assault weapon prior to the effective date of this section, or (iii) actual possession under subparagraph (B)(i) of this subdivision, or constructive possession under subparagraph (B)(ii) of this subdivision, as evidenced by a written statement made under penalty of false statement on such form as the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection prescribes;"

is there anything in there preventing the registration of non 2023 "assault weapons"?

Same as post 2023 weapons.

Dignity.

This is more proof that the constitution is just a piece of paper.

Guns & Gadgets briefly mentions the House amended HB 6667:

Some more updates today, bill moving to the Senate:
5/30/2023 Senate Calendar Number 572
5/30/2023 Favorable Report, Tabled for the Calendar, Senate

Does that mean they vote today?

Senate is in session all week. Chances are high they'll get to it sometime this week. Could be today, or not.

Thanks. Anyone know more details? Once a 2023 is registered does it become any old AW and can it be reconfigured?

That is the assumption. Once an AW it can have all the evil features on it, just like now. Cannot make an assault weapon any more assaulty. But who knows, we'll have to see what the final bill is, if they pass it.

Substitute House Bill No. 6667 As Amended by House Amendment Schedules "A" and "B" - PDF

Substitute House Bill No. 6667 As Amended by House Amendment Schedules "A" and "B" - DOC

In the Summary section of the recently posted File No. 841 (DOC) version is the following that references "others" that are being Form 1'd under the ATF brace rule:

Federal Reclassification
The bill establishes conditions under which certain individuals may lawfully possess a 2023 assault weapon if the assault weapon was reclassified for federal purposes as a rifle under the recent amendments to federal regulations on commerce in firearms and ammunition (i.e., 27 C.F.R. Parts 478 & 479 (published at 88 Federal Register 6478 (January 31, 2023))). Under the bill, the person must:

1. have applied to register the assault weapon under the federal National Firearms Act (P.L. No. 73-474) using the form known as Form 1 that ATF publishes, submitted a copy of the form to DESPP by August 1, 2023, and ATF must have approved the application, denied the application within the past 30 days, or not yet processed the application; and

2. lawfully possessed the assault weapon on the day before the bill takes effect; and

3. be in compliance with the assault weapons laws.

For these individuals whose applications have not yet been processed by ATF, the bill allows them to apply to DESPP, by May 1, 2024, for a temporary certification of possession. This certificate expires on the earlier of January 1, 2027, and seven days after a Form 1 application denial.

If the Form 1 application is approved, the person may then apply to DESPP to convert the temporary certificate into an assault weapon certificate of possession. A full and complete Form 1 application submitted to DESPP constitutes a complete application for a temporary certificate and a copy of a Form 1 application approval constitutes a complete application to convert. If a complete application to convert is received, DESPP must approve the application.

DESPP (1) must accept applications in both paper and electronic form, to the extent possible, and (2) is prohibited from requiring applications to be notarized.

Disregard

I still dont get that part.

why does it matter. why do they need to know if it was F1'd amnesty. what is the purpose of them knowing.
if I dont F1 something prior to this bill passing, am I not allowed to F1 it later?
honestly, if its registered as a AW, then F1'd into a rifle, wtf do they care. I just do not see the relevance of this section.
this whole part seems redundant, as the rest of the bill...but regardless..

reading again, does that mean you dont need a AWC for a 2023 AW if it was F1 amnesty and approved?

Now you're seeing one of the problems with it and why its confusing. They're telling certain people to submit their Form 1 to SLFU/DESPP in place of doing the assault weapon certificate application. Further they are setting up a second AW cert, a temporary one that could be converted to a full/final one. Its head scratching as to why they're doing this. Why not just mandate like they're doing for non Form 1 "others" and for prebans that people file the AW cert?

It reads like an 'Everytown' staffer got involved to help draft it and knew just enough about firearms to be dangerous but not enough to be useful.