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Posted: 7/15/2022 8:33:12 PM EDT
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A stripped lower starts always as an other no matter the state your in.
No difference. Remove the grip, under 16” with brace pistol. It’s just not classified as a rifle or pistol YET while it’s in “other” form. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 8:47:56 PM EDT
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"Other" here is a Connecticut-ism.
An 'other' is federally either an 'AOW' or a 'firearm' depending on overall length. If the vertical grip is not, in fact, vertical than it's a 'pistol' federally but still meets the CT definition for an 'other.' If you remove the forward grip then it's just a pistol in a free state. Since, as said above, all lowers transfer as 'others' (or should) then it's not a rifle unless built in a rifle configuration. Clear as mud? And yes, that's the really simple version without knowing what your configuration is, etc. |
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Posted: 7/15/2022 8:59:41 PM EDT
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It's typical store bought other configuration. I didn't build it. 12" or 12.5" barrel, brace and true vert grip. Nothing crazy.
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Posted: 7/15/2022 9:18:45 PM EDT
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Hopefully just a matter of time until CT is normal again. NY just got sued for their "AWB", and maybe we are next.
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Posted: 7/18/2022 9:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully just a matter of time until CT is normal again. NY just got sued for their "AWB", and maybe we are next.  |
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Posted: 7/19/2022 5:54:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Am I tracking all of this correctly? Likely comes down to the over all length. ATF apparently considers under 26 inch OAL to potentially be a pistol. Keep the OAL over 26 inches and one "should" be OK, particularly under their forthcoming brace rule. From that brace rule: "Firearms possessing an overall length between 12 and 26 inches may be considered pistols for which a “stabilizing brace” could reasonably be attached to support one-handed fire. Firearms with an overall length of less than 12 inches are considered too short to indicate any need for a “stabilizing brace.” Conversely, firearms exceeding 26 inches in overall length are impractical and inaccurate to fire one handed, even with a “stabilizing brace,” due to imbalance of the weapon." Also would likely come down to what ever firearm laws and definitions the other state uses. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:25:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Likely comes down to the over all length. ATF apparently considers under 26 inch OAL to potentially be a pistol. Keep the OAL over 26 inches and one "should" be OK, particularly under their forthcoming brace rule. From that brace rule: "Firearms possessing an overall length between 12 and 26 inches may be considered pistols for which a “stabilizing brace” could reasonably be attached to support one-handed fire. Firearms with an overall length of less than 12 inches are considered too short to indicate any need for a “stabilizing brace.” Conversely, firearms exceeding 26 inches in overall length are impractical and inaccurate to fire one handed, even with a “stabilizing brace,” due to imbalance of the weapon." Also would likely come down to what ever firearm laws and definitions the other state uses. ^^^^ If it's over 26" with a brace with a 12"/12.5" barrel would it not then federally be a SBR? It doesn't have a stock but it would still fall out of the federal pistol classification with an OAL greater than 26" Or, maybe it's ok as long as the vertical grip stays? Then there is the whole "firearms exceeding 26 inches in overall length are impractical and inaccurate to fire one handed, even with a “stabilizing brace,” due to imbalance of the weapon." It seems they are basically saying over 26" can't be a pistol even with a brace because you can't fire it with one hand. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^^^^ If it's over 26" with a brace with a 12"/12.5" barrel would it not then federally be a SBR? It doesn't have a stock but it would still fall out of the federal pistol classification with an OAL greater than 26" Or, maybe it's ok as long as the vertical grip stays? Then there is the whole "firearms exceeding 26 inches in overall length are impractical and inaccurate to fire one handed, even with a “stabilizing brace,” due to imbalance of the weapon." It seems they are basically saying over 26" can't be a pistol even with a brace because you can't fire it with one hand. The ATF wants to reclassify all these braced firearms to SBRs eventually. If their "criteria" become effective there will be no way to circumvent this in a legal manner. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's over 26" with a brace with a 12"/12.5" barrel would it not then federally be a SBR? The proposed brace rule states repeatedly that a barrel under 16 inches makes it an SBR. Further, having a rifled barrel less than 16 inches in length, the firearm would be properly classified as a “short-barreled rifle” and an NFA “firearm.” And there is the following from the proposed rule:Scenario 2: Convert Firearm Into a Long-Barreled Rifle
Another scenario is for individuals and FFLs to retain the “stabilizing brace” but convert the firearm into a firearm under the GCA rather than under the NFA. More specifically, they may convert the firearm into a long-barreled rife. ATF anticipates the minimum need is to purchase a long barrel and handrails. The average cost of a long barrel is $198. The average cost for handrails is $212, making the cost per firearm $410. ATF estimates that the average affected individual may own approximately two firearms with an attached “stabilizing brace” while affected FFLs own an average of 3 firearms with an attached “stabilizing brace.” The total cost for this scenario is $125.1 million. For more details, please refer to Chapter 4 of the standalone RIA. Because braces themselves are generally not regulated items, ATF requests comments regarding the population, methodology, and scope of this scenario. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 2:28:38 PM EDT
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Seems like it's either go the SBR route or buy a 16" upper.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 2:50:55 PM EDT
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If you take off the brace, and don't use a VFG (instead using an AFG) you dodge both the 'AOW' and 'SBR' classifications.
If it matters to you, learn how to use the sling tension method. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you take off the brace, and don't use a VFG (instead using an AFG) you dodge both the 'AOW' and 'SBR' classifications. If it matters to you, learn how to use the sling tension method. Good point. I thought about that. |
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