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Posted: 7/24/2021 7:15:12 AM EDT
[#1]
Allen West. Have met and spoken with him before, he's a solid guy who will do what he says he is going to do.
I'm disappointed in Governor Abbott with regard to his Covid lockdowns and his having to be forced to follow through with campaign promises like constitutional carry. We all know if we'd not turned up the heat on him and the Lieutenant Governor, CC would have not been passed. Semper Fi |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 8:54:59 AM EDT
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Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different.
Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 9:17:46 AM EDT
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Whoever has the best chance of beating whoever the democrat candidate(s) may be. I'd imagine that'd be 'wheels, potentially West.
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Posted: 7/24/2021 9:25:11 AM EDT
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I have liked West since he was in Florida and serving in the House of Representatives and I would have no problem voting for him to be governor of a state or president of the USA.
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Posted: 7/24/2021 9:32:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Allen West. Have met and spoken with him before, he's a solid guy who will do what he says he is going to do. I'm disappointed in Governor Abbott with regard to his Covid lockdowns and his having to be forced to follow through with campaign promises like constitutional carry. We all know if we'd not turned up the heat on him and the Lieutenant Governor, CC would have not been passed. Semper Fi I have talked with Allen West too a few times, I’m pretty disappointed in how he got elected to the TRP, then a year later quits to run after something else. When first elected to run the TRP West could have done a lot with with the party, mostly importantly getting people that have moved here to Texas from other states that the reason Texas is so great to live in, run a business in is the Texas Republican Party running the state. Instead he used it as a stepping stone without doing anything. The whole COVID issue is a real shit show for any governor of a large, high population state, especially at first because no one really knew how COVID was going through the population and their were people both in government and the media were telling so many lies. Abbott never went wild on a restrictions like Newsom, Cuomo, Whitmar and then started backing them off long before most other states. Also Abbott early on was a supporter of Constitutional Carry, many of us working for Constitutional Carry talked with Abbott’s staff before CC was even heard in committee. Now Patrick was a bit blind sided by the strength that CC got passed out of the House, but even Patrick got on board, maybe because he did not want to be the reason CC died in the Senate. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 10:15:59 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Allen West. Have met and spoken with him before, he's a solid guy who will do what he says he is going to do. I'm disappointed in Governor Abbott with regard to his Covid lockdowns and his having to be forced to follow through with campaign promises like constitutional carry. We all know if we'd not turned up the heat on him and the Lieutenant Governor, CC would have not been passed. Semper Fi |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 10:23:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different. Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 11:41:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how do you feel that Abbott propagated the lie that America is systemically racist? And that he even threw Texas under the bus, saying we have a history of racism? Or his idea for a George Floyd Act in June of last year? How about his chain link fence he started building after he paid for Trump's endorsement, and was told to finish the wall if he wanted to be endorsed? Or his $295 million contact tracing contract. Or his push for more Fusion Centers in Texas? Or that he wouldn't stand up for children being multilated until after democrats ran away to DC and held up the special session? How do you feel about democrats holding committee chair positions? Or that Texas followed 20 other states for CC, and we got constitutional carry light? How can anyone look at Abbott and think he is doing a good job? He never should have shut us down, masked us, fined us, and lectured us about non compliance. And he didn't have to make those choices alone... He should have called a special session of the legislature and not acted as a tyrant. We need a strong leader in Texas, and that is not Abbott. Texas hasn't been leading the way for a very long time, and if we don't change course now, then we never will again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different. Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. Let explain this to you real simply. I am in this to keep the state of Texas a Republican state, with Texas being the second most populous state and the moron media, the high tech assholes pushing to make Texas a permanent Blue state and another California. ARFcom is not where you are going to win elections, you not only need the normal rural, small town voter but also the suburbs and even voters in the larger cities. If we listen to you, Beto will jump right in to run for governor and with high tech, Hollywood and hedge funds financing his campaign. You realize that he raised nearly $90 million dollars to run against Ted Cruz’s $30 million. Now Cruz’s campaign managers made some huge mistakes early on not understanding grassroots. But still it was too close in my books. Who would you consider a strong leader? I’m not seeing it in Allen West, a one term congressman (the current seat is held by Republican Brian Mast, not even close to my favorite Republican), then West goes to Texas Public Policy and did quite a bit damage there, then when elected to run the TRP he was not even there a year and did nothing to improve the Republican voting base (the most important thing that needed to be done in Texas). If the Republicans run Allen West you can figure on seeing Governor Beto sitting in Austin, with the potential of even costing the Republicans the Senate. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let explain this to you real simply. I am in this to keep the state of Texas a Republican state, with Texas being the second most populous state and the moron media, the high tech assholes pushing to make Texas a permanent Blue state and another California. ARFcom is not where you are going to win elections, you not only need the normal rural, small town voter but also the suburbs and even voters in the larger cities. If we listen to you, Beto will jump right in to run for governor and with high tech, Hollywood and hedge funds financing his campaign. You realize that he raised nearly $90 million dollars to run against Ted Cruz's $30 million. Now Cruz's campaign managers made some huge mistakes early on not understanding grassroots. But still it was too close in my books. Who would you consider a strong leader? I'm not seeing it in Allen West, a one term congressman (the current seat is held by Republican Brian Mast, not even close to my favorite Republican), then West goes to Texas Public Policy and did quite a bit damage there, then when elected to run the TRP he was not even there a year and did nothing to improve the Republican voting base (the most important thing that needed to be done in Texas). If the Republicans run Allen West you can figure on seeing Governor Beto sitting in Austin, with the potential of even costing the Republicans the Senate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different. Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. Let explain this to you real simply. I am in this to keep the state of Texas a Republican state, with Texas being the second most populous state and the moron media, the high tech assholes pushing to make Texas a permanent Blue state and another California. ARFcom is not where you are going to win elections, you not only need the normal rural, small town voter but also the suburbs and even voters in the larger cities. If we listen to you, Beto will jump right in to run for governor and with high tech, Hollywood and hedge funds financing his campaign. You realize that he raised nearly $90 million dollars to run against Ted Cruz's $30 million. Now Cruz's campaign managers made some huge mistakes early on not understanding grassroots. But still it was too close in my books. Who would you consider a strong leader? I'm not seeing it in Allen West, a one term congressman (the current seat is held by Republican Brian Mast, not even close to my favorite Republican), then West goes to Texas Public Policy and did quite a bit damage there, then when elected to run the TRP he was not even there a year and did nothing to improve the Republican voting base (the most important thing that needed to be done in Texas). If the Republicans run Allen West you can figure on seeing Governor Beto sitting in Austin, with the potential of even costing the Republicans the Senate. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you feel about democrats holding committee chair positions? Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you feel about democrats holding committee chair positions? WTF does the Governor have to do with committee chair positions?  House- appointed by the Speaker of the House. Senate- appointed by the Lt Governor. Good grief. Or that Texas followed 20 other states for CC, and we got constitutional carry light? WTF does the Governor have to do with legislation written by state legislators? HE SIGNED THE BILLS! And I'm pretty sure he did what he promised. How can anyone look at Abbott and think he is doing a good job? Well, being that you are blaming him for the faults of Dan Patrick and Dade Phelan, how are you qualified to even ask the question? He never should have shut us down, masked us, fined us, and lectured us about non compliance. And he didn't have to make those choices alone... He should have called a special session of the legislature and not acted as a tyrant. How many state reps and state senators asked for a special session on COVID? |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I made points about how Abbott is a spineless republican, and you used hypotheticals and conjecture to what might happen if we don't elect him as our nominee... Just curious, do you think we have a Democrat problem in Texas? We keep fighting just against the democrats, and electing RINOs who do nothing to further strengthen and protect Texas. In reality, we have a RINO problem in Texas. We have had the majority for how long? And Abbott has been part of it for how long? Your reasoning is why we end up with people like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, etc. Just because they have an R by their name does not mean they are fighting the good fight. So, if what you really want is to keep Texas LOOKING red, while acting blue under the covers, then just say it. Otherwise, maybe try backing true republicans who have the ability and desire to straighten out our state. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different. Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. Let explain this to you real simply. I am in this to keep the state of Texas a Republican state, with Texas being the second most populous state and the moron media, the high tech assholes pushing to make Texas a permanent Blue state and another California. ARFcom is not where you are going to win elections, you not only need the normal rural, small town voter but also the suburbs and even voters in the larger cities. If we listen to you, Beto will jump right in to run for governor and with high tech, Hollywood and hedge funds financing his campaign. You realize that he raised nearly $90 million dollars to run against Ted Cruz's $30 million. Now Cruz's campaign managers made some huge mistakes early on not understanding grassroots. But still it was too close in my books. Who would you consider a strong leader? I'm not seeing it in Allen West, a one term congressman (the current seat is held by Republican Brian Mast, not even close to my favorite Republican), then West goes to Texas Public Policy and did quite a bit damage there, then when elected to run the TRP he was not even there a year and did nothing to improve the Republican voting base (the most important thing that needed to be done in Texas). If the Republicans run Allen West you can figure on seeing Governor Beto sitting in Austin, with the potential of even costing the Republicans the Senate. You are not worth talking to, when you call Abbott a ‘spineless Republican’ because he does not do everything you’d like to see done. I would rather have Abbott who successfully does 80% of what I want done rather than get a Democrat who does everything to damage the state of Texas. As far as a Democrat problem fuck yes we have one, the county I live in lost 2 of the three Republican seats to Democrats both of which are pretty bad, but one that is as insane if not more than Beto. And I live a suburban county not a big city county. I guess you don’t realize that Texas got rid of quite few RINO’s in the last election, that is how we got Constitutional Carry passed with all but one Republican vote, including every Republican State Senator for Constitutional Carry. Before this year we could not even get Constitutional Carry out of committee. The reason Constitutional Carry went no where the session before was Dennis Bonnen, not Greg Abbott. Bonnen put a drug dealer Democrat as chair of Homeland Security and even lied about Constitutional Carry at a point that a Democrat would be proud. How often are you at the Capital to know what is going on? I am there 2-3 days a week, and have a good feeling of all the players are. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:34:42 PM EDT
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When people bitch about why Texas was the 21st state to pass Constitutional Carry, well for a state as large and populous as Texas Constitutional Carry is a real heavy lift, plus our sessions are very short and only every other year. So if a bill gets bogged down and doesn’t get through both house it is dead. Until this session Constitutional Carry it had NEVER even gotten out of committee.
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF does the Governor have to do with committee chair positions? House- appointed by the Speaker of the House. Senate- appointed by the Lt Governor. Good grief. WTF does the Governor have to do with legislation written by state legislators? HE SIGNED THE BILLS! And I'm pretty sure he did what he promised. Well, being that you are blaming him for the faults of Dan Patrick and Dade Phelan, how are you qualified to even ask the question? How many state reps and state senators asked for a special session on COVID? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you feel about democrats holding committee chair positions? WTF does the Governor have to do with committee chair positions? House- appointed by the Speaker of the House. Senate- appointed by the Lt Governor. Good grief. Or that Texas followed 20 other states for CC, and we got constitutional carry light? WTF does the Governor have to do with legislation written by state legislators? HE SIGNED THE BILLS! And I'm pretty sure he did what he promised. How can anyone look at Abbott and think he is doing a good job? Well, being that you are blaming him for the faults of Dan Patrick and Dade Phelan, how are you qualified to even ask the question? He never should have shut us down, masked us, fined us, and lectured us about non compliance. And he didn't have to make those choices alone... He should have called a special session of the legislature and not acted as a tyrant. How many state reps and state senators asked for a special session on COVID? |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:56:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are not worth talking to, when you call Abbott a 'spineless Republican' because he does not do everything you'd like to see done. I would rather have Abbott who successfully does 80% of what I want done rather than get a Democrat who does everything to damage the state of Texas. As far as a Democrat problem fuck yes we have one, the county I live in lost 2 of the three Republican seats to Democrats both of which are pretty bad, but one that is as insane if not more than Beto. And I live a suburban county not a big city county. I guess you don't realize that Texas got rid of quite few RINO's in the last election, that is how we got Constitutional Carry passed with all but one Republican vote, including every Republican State Senator for Constitutional Carry. Before this year we could not even get Constitutional Carry out of committee. The reason Constitutional Carry went no where the session before was Dennis Bonnen, not Greg Abbott. Bonnen put a drug dealer Democrat as chair of Homeland Security and even lied about Constitutional Carry at a point that a Democrat would be proud. How often are you at the Capital to know what is going on? I am there 2-3 days a week, and have a good feeling of all the players are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different. Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. Let explain this to you real simply. I am in this to keep the state of Texas a Republican state, with Texas being the second most populous state and the moron media, the high tech assholes pushing to make Texas a permanent Blue state and another California. ARFcom is not where you are going to win elections, you not only need the normal rural, small town voter but also the suburbs and even voters in the larger cities. If we listen to you, Beto will jump right in to run for governor and with high tech, Hollywood and hedge funds financing his campaign. You realize that he raised nearly $90 million dollars to run against Ted Cruz's $30 million. Now Cruz's campaign managers made some huge mistakes early on not understanding grassroots. But still it was too close in my books. Who would you consider a strong leader? I'm not seeing it in Allen West, a one term congressman (the current seat is held by Republican Brian Mast, not even close to my favorite Republican), then West goes to Texas Public Policy and did quite a bit damage there, then when elected to run the TRP he was not even there a year and did nothing to improve the Republican voting base (the most important thing that needed to be done in Texas). If the Republicans run Allen West you can figure on seeing Governor Beto sitting in Austin, with the potential of even costing the Republicans the Senate. You are not worth talking to, when you call Abbott a 'spineless Republican' because he does not do everything you'd like to see done. I would rather have Abbott who successfully does 80% of what I want done rather than get a Democrat who does everything to damage the state of Texas. As far as a Democrat problem fuck yes we have one, the county I live in lost 2 of the three Republican seats to Democrats both of which are pretty bad, but one that is as insane if not more than Beto. And I live a suburban county not a big city county. I guess you don't realize that Texas got rid of quite few RINO's in the last election, that is how we got Constitutional Carry passed with all but one Republican vote, including every Republican State Senator for Constitutional Carry. Before this year we could not even get Constitutional Carry out of committee. The reason Constitutional Carry went no where the session before was Dennis Bonnen, not Greg Abbott. Bonnen put a drug dealer Democrat as chair of Homeland Security and even lied about Constitutional Carry at a point that a Democrat would be proud. How often are you at the Capital to know what is going on? I am there 2-3 days a week, and have a good feeling of all the players are. I'm not worth talking to because I don't agree with you? Sounds like a great way to have a conversation. I'd give you my credentials about why I know what I know, but frankly unless you're willing to see the bigger picture, then it doesn't matter. Yes bonnen was horrible, on that we can agree. Until we hold the Republicans in our state to a higher standard, we will be in trouble. Hope you end up seeing that before it's too late. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:57:18 PM EDT
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I like West.
If Abbot wins I'll obviously vote for him in the general but he's been too squishy and caved to Karen in the coronascare. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 12:57:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not worth talking to because I don't agree with you? Sounds like a great way to have a conversation. I'd give you my credentials about why I know what I know, but frankly unless you're willing to see the bigger picture, then it doesn't matter. Yes bonnen was horrible, on that we can agree. Until we hold the Republicans in our state to a higher standard, we will be in trouble. Hope you end up seeing that before it's too late. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Choices are a one time Congressman, one term State Senator, some comedian, or a guy that can actually run the second most populous state in the country with a very strong economy. It is easy to talk a big game when on the outside, but to actually run a state is different. Abbott is the only one of the four that could throw Bob the Fake Mexican back into the trash heap he crawls out of for good. With the bullshit the DUMBocrats pulled of quilting their jobs and running out the door to DC to help Pedo Joe and Nazi Pelosi push a bill to allow stolen elections all around the country. 2022 is going to be a good chance to get back many seats stolen from the Republicans in Texas. Let explain this to you real simply. I am in this to keep the state of Texas a Republican state, with Texas being the second most populous state and the moron media, the high tech assholes pushing to make Texas a permanent Blue state and another California. ARFcom is not where you are going to win elections, you not only need the normal rural, small town voter but also the suburbs and even voters in the larger cities. If we listen to you, Beto will jump right in to run for governor and with high tech, Hollywood and hedge funds financing his campaign. You realize that he raised nearly $90 million dollars to run against Ted Cruz's $30 million. Now Cruz's campaign managers made some huge mistakes early on not understanding grassroots. But still it was too close in my books. Who would you consider a strong leader? I'm not seeing it in Allen West, a one term congressman (the current seat is held by Republican Brian Mast, not even close to my favorite Republican), then West goes to Texas Public Policy and did quite a bit damage there, then when elected to run the TRP he was not even there a year and did nothing to improve the Republican voting base (the most important thing that needed to be done in Texas). If the Republicans run Allen West you can figure on seeing Governor Beto sitting in Austin, with the potential of even costing the Republicans the Senate. You are not worth talking to, when you call Abbott a 'spineless Republican' because he does not do everything you'd like to see done. I would rather have Abbott who successfully does 80% of what I want done rather than get a Democrat who does everything to damage the state of Texas. As far as a Democrat problem fuck yes we have one, the county I live in lost 2 of the three Republican seats to Democrats both of which are pretty bad, but one that is as insane if not more than Beto. And I live a suburban county not a big city county. I guess you don't realize that Texas got rid of quite few RINO's in the last election, that is how we got Constitutional Carry passed with all but one Republican vote, including every Republican State Senator for Constitutional Carry. Before this year we could not even get Constitutional Carry out of committee. The reason Constitutional Carry went no where the session before was Dennis Bonnen, not Greg Abbott. Bonnen put a drug dealer Democrat as chair of Homeland Security and even lied about Constitutional Carry at a point that a Democrat would be proud. How often are you at the Capital to know what is going on? I am there 2-3 days a week, and have a good feeling of all the players are. I'm not worth talking to because I don't agree with you? Sounds like a great way to have a conversation. I'd give you my credentials about why I know what I know, but frankly unless you're willing to see the bigger picture, then it doesn't matter. Yes bonnen was horrible, on that we can agree. Until we hold the Republicans in our state to a higher standard, we will be in trouble. Hope you end up seeing that before it's too late. You need to win first, not going tilting at windmills. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 1:32:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the governor is silent about the problems in the house and Senate, he is complicit... How do you not see that? Quote HistoryQuoted: When the governor is silent about the problems in the house and Senate, he is complicit... How do you not see that? Dude, the Gov can bitch all day long about "problems".......its irrelevant as he isn't the one elected by the people to legislate. How do you not understand the separation of powers? And yes, EVERYONE knows the Texas House and Senate are chock full of And a few reps and at least sen hall did ask. But regardless of how many asked, it was on him to call one. So an insignificant number asked? That there is called a clue as to whether a special session is needed. 
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Posted: 7/24/2021 2:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the governor is silent about the problems in the house and Senate, he is complicit... How do you not see that? And a few reps and at least sen hall did ask. But regardless of how many asked, it was on him to call one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you feel about democrats holding committee chair positions? WTF does the Governor have to do with committee chair positions? House- appointed by the Speaker of the House. Senate- appointed by the Lt Governor. Good grief. Or that Texas followed 20 other states for CC, and we got constitutional carry light? WTF does the Governor have to do with legislation written by state legislators? HE SIGNED THE BILLS! And I'm pretty sure he did what he promised. How can anyone look at Abbott and think he is doing a good job? Well, being that you are blaming him for the faults of Dan Patrick and Dade Phelan, how are you qualified to even ask the question? He never should have shut us down, masked us, fined us, and lectured us about non compliance. And he didn't have to make those choices alone... He should have called a special session of the legislature and not acted as a tyrant. How many state reps and state senators asked for a special session on COVID? You do understand the governor of Texas is not a dictator or even a ‘strong governor’ the Lt. Governor has a lot more power by the constitution. Many people do not realize all hearings the House and Senate had this session caused by the big freeze that caused Texas to shut down. Abbott went through a fired quite a few people in the PUC, that reports to him. I sat with Allen West through many of those hearings. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 2:45:33 PM EDT
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Mockingbird1836 you have not told us who you feel is a better candidate than Abbott.
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Posted: 7/24/2021 4:03:12 PM EDT
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If you want a Democratic Governor, Primary Abbott.
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Posted: 7/24/2021 4:23:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you want a Democratic Governor, Primary Abbott. This. West is a carpetbagger, couldn't win in Florida. Huffines couldn't keep his seat in 2018.....a seat that he won unopposed in 2014. Chad Prather? never heard of her. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 5:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. West is a carpetbagger, couldn't win in Florida. Huffines couldn't keep his seat in 2018.....a seat that he won unopposed in 2014. Chad Prather? never heard of her. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you want a Democratic Governor, Primary Abbott. This. West is a carpetbagger, couldn't win in Florida. Huffines couldn't keep his seat in 2018.....a seat that he won unopposed in 2014. Chad Prather? never heard of her. West many not really be a carpetbagger, but comes across that way because he has been in Texas less than 3 years. Went to Texas Public Policy and made enemies there. Then when elected to head of the TRP he resigns less than a year later, having done nothing. If I was advising West I would have told him to stay with TRP, build up the TRP with the people moving to Texas from out of state, then if Abbott is not going for a fourth term go to run in 2026, by building bridges not splitting the party. |
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Posted: 7/24/2021 8:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you want a Democratic Governor, Primary Abbott. This. He's not "100% Perfect" (who exactly is??), but he can & will win the General Election & keep Texas "Republican Red"... Conservatives waste so much effort infighting over the minor shit & let the Democrats then steamroller them in the General Election (see what happened in VA for an example). I don't want Gun Rights Enthusiasts to have to stream to Austin in protest of a Democrat Governor & his slate of restrictions on the 2nd Amendment (a Richmond Protest type Rally in the Lone Star State). Abbott has the name recognition, reputation & resources ($$$$) who CAN win the General Election. BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 7/25/2021 6:35:45 AM EDT
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Huffines. He wants to repeal my property Tax.
Abbott can fuckoff until he gives back the 20K in income I lost because of his horseshit shutdown for the virus hoax and actively seeks and supports repeal of the emergency act he used to shut down the state. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 8:51:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huffines. He wants to repeal my property Tax. Abbott can fuckoff until he gives back the 20K in income I lost because of his horseshit shutdown for the virus hoax and actively seeks and supports repeal of the emergency act he used to shut down the state. Property taxes suck, so let’s bring in an income tax. If Huffines wants to eliminate property tax he needs to put out in detail how he is planing on doing that, not just billboards. Also the governor in Texas is not a dictator so to do something about property taxes he needs the legislature on board.especially the Lt. Governor. I will still vote for Abbott even though I lost my job because the business I worked in completely shut and I lost a $70K a year job a year and a half before I was to retire, putting me on unemployment. Then he shuts the unemployment off because most younger people got smart and found better jobs than what they had before. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 9:06:34 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huffines. He wants to repeal my property Tax. LOL. Never gonna happen. Generally the folks who pay high property taxes have high incomes, they aint gonna fall for this nonsense. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 9:59:03 AM EDT
[#27]
Gov Abbott's time has come to an end. He will lose to whoever the dems throw, as he stepped on the conservative toes of Texans throughout the state.
Allen West is who I am planning on voting for in the Primary. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 11:55:46 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Never gonna happen. Generally the folks who pay high property taxes have high incomes, they aint gonna fall for this nonsense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huffines. He wants to repeal my property Tax. LOL. Never gonna happen. Generally the folks who pay high property taxes have high incomes, they aint gonna fall for this nonsense. Texas is now going through what California went through in the 70’s houses doubled in price (appraised value) in a few years. So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. In California a group of conservatives got Prop 13 passed that locked property taxes on when you bought your home. Businesses got a slight reduction in property taxes, but as larger companies with well paid workers left because of the anti-business climate (plus being on the west coast did not help getting products across the country). Texas can never get rid of property taxes without an income tax, but they do need to be fixed which is no easy job. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 1:05:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas is now going through what California went through in the 70’s houses doubled in price (appraised value) in a few years. So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. In California a group of conservatives got Prop 13 passed that locked property taxes on when you bought your home. Businesses got a slight reduction in property taxes, but as larger companies with well paid workers left because of the anti-business climate (plus being on the west coast did not help getting products across the country). Texas can never get rid of property taxes without an income tax, but they do need to be fixed which is no easy job. In my county the % is actually low but the appraisal district is on crack. My mortgage is only 1394/mo. My property taxes are 615/mo. What a fucking ratio. No Governor is going to get rid of them, they cant. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 2:15:24 PM EDT
[#30]
None of those challengers are going to defeat Abbott in the primary.
It's very difficult to defeat a sitting governor or US Senator in a primary race - the only one the come to my mind is Arland Specter in PA, who switched parties to avoid losing, then lost anyway in the Democrat primary. Back when Charlie Crist was pretending to be a Republican, he lost a primary race for the Senate to Rubio, but he was the FLA governor at the time. Sometimes a sitting gov/senator won't run if they think they are going to lose, but if they're in good enough shape to run, it's very unlikely they will lose the primary. What tough primary races can do is weaken that party to the point that the sitting person loses in the general election. But so be it. I always dislike the theme of the Republican Establishment who will prop up the most worthless elected Republicans like Specter, before he switched, or Jeff Flake, or John McCain, or Lincoln Chaffee of Rhode Island, and say "a vote for anyone else is a vote for a Democratic!!!", no it isn't, it's a vote for another, hopefully less worthless, Republican. Abbott needs to earn the vote of a dedicated conservative voter the same way he and all the rest try desperately to get the vote of the soccer mom or other low information voters. Some elected Republicans are so worthless, it would actually be better to have a Democrat in the seat - Lynn Cheney immediately comes to mind, or or Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. Getting rid of them in a primary, even if it leads to a loss in the general election, rids the party of traitors, lets the base know they are listened to, and serves as an example to others who think of turning traitor. The question for those who don't like Abbott is have his actions over the past 2-1/2 years reached that level, where he needs to go no matter what else happens. That's up to each and every voter to decide, and if the risk of a general election loss makes up for a "screw you to him", as he's not losing the primary to any of the people running. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 3:31:38 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In my county the % is actually low but the appraisal district is on crack. My mortgage is only 1394/mo. My property taxes are 615/mo. What a fucking ratio. No Governor is going to get rid of them, they cant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Texas is now going through what California went through in the 70’s houses doubled in price (appraised value) in a few years. So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. In California a group of conservatives got Prop 13 passed that locked property taxes on when you bought your home. Businesses got a slight reduction in property taxes, but as larger companies with well paid workers left because of the anti-business climate (plus being on the west coast did not help getting products across the country). Texas can never get rid of property taxes without an income tax, but they do need to be fixed which is no easy job. In my county the % is actually low but the appraisal district is on crack. My mortgage is only 1394/mo. My property taxes are 615/mo. What a fucking ratio. No Governor is going to get rid of them, they cant. The big problem is you have no idea what your property taxes are next year. You get a letter from your mortgage company and your payment goes up goes up $50, $100 or even $200 more a month. Can you guarantee your income is going to go up every year, or even stay the same? Property taxes need to be locked at the same rate until you sell you home. Keep it till the day you die you pay the same tax for the rest of your life. Other option is an income tax or raising sales tax to 18-20%. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 4:03:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. I am retired, so sure I would love to see ZERO property taxes with as big an income tax as you want, but nevahgonnahappen. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 4:05:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's very difficult to defeat a sitting governor or US Senator in a primary race - the only one the come to my mind is Arland Specter in PA, who switched parties to avoid losing, then lost anyway in the Democrat primary. The witch primaried the guy in Delaware. Murkowski got primaried, but still won as a write in (small pop state though). |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 4:49:34 PM EDT
[#34]
The Delaware seat in 2010 was open - that was the seat Slow Joe was sitting in.
The gal beat some former Governor, who was expected to win, but he wasn't an elected official at that time. You're correct about Murkowski, who lost the Republican primary, then ran as a write in. I must have forgotten about that race as she won anyway. A shame as the guy who won the primary would have been a solid conservative vote. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 5:01:25 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas is now going through what California went through in the 70’s houses doubled in price (appraised value) in a few years. So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. In California a group of conservatives got Prop 13 passed that locked property taxes on when you bought your home. Businesses got a slight reduction in property taxes, but as larger companies with well paid workers left because of the anti-business climate (plus being on the west coast did not help getting products across the country). Texas can never get rid of property taxes without an income tax, but they do need to be fixed which is no easy job. I propose increasing the sales tax. Make those with no skin in the game pay their fair share including those on government assistance. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 5:31:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Delaware seat in 2010 was open - that was the seat Slow Joe was sitting in. The gal beat some former Governor, who was expected to win, but he wasn't an elected official at that time. You're correct about Murkowski, who lost the Republican primary, then ran as a write in. I must have forgotten about that race as she won anyway. A shame as the guy who won the primary would have been a solid conservative vote. Right special election to fill Biden. She beat a House Member Castle. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 6:12:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am retired, so sure I would love to see ZERO property taxes with as big an income tax as you want, but nevahgonnahappen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. I am retired, so sure I would love to see ZERO property taxes with as big an income tax as you want, but nevahgonnahappen. Zero would never happen but if your property tax stayed the same year after year that isn’t too bad. Income taxes suck because it can be more than wages. My pension in California will be taxed at 13+% even though I have lived in Texas 15 years. The state figures you earned it in California they tax you. Really there is no good way to spread the tax load out. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 6:32:15 PM EDT
[#38]
I've been an Abbot supporter and will certainly vote for him in the General if he's the guy, and I don't think that he's a bad governor - he's actually a pretty good one IMHO, and I don't hold the COVID stuff against him because frankly for a while there we didn't know what we were dealing with, and he came around to the right policy when we finally figured it out.
That said, I think that the situation that we find ourselves in following the 2020 election, the essential takeover of our federal government by communists, the movement into the Great Reset, the crusade against conservatives that the national security apparatus, military, and federal LEOs/DoJ are set to launch against us... I believe that we may well be put into a situation where we either bend the knee or secede. And I don't think that Abbot is up to that task. When push comes to shove with the feds, I don't think that he'd push back as hard as we need our leader to. And I don't see him supporting a secession movement if it comes to that. Only one guy on that list would even have a chance at crossing that Rubicon, so that's who I'll vote for in the primary. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 8:34:13 PM EDT
[#39]
I don't know, as of now.
What I do know is that that I think West can not be trusted. I won't be voting for him in the primary. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 8:59:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The big problem is you have no idea what your property taxes are next year. You get a letter from your mortgage company and your payment goes up goes up $50, $100 or even $200 more a month. Can you guarantee your income is going to go up every year, or even stay the same? Property taxes need to be locked at the same rate until you sell you home. Keep it till the day you die you pay the same tax for the rest of your life. Other option is an income tax or raising sales tax to 18-20%. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Texas is now going through what California went through in the 70’s houses doubled in price (appraised value) in a few years. So property taxes went up accordingly, who it really hurt was seniors that paid off their homes and lived on a fixed income get taxed out of their homes. In California a group of conservatives got Prop 13 passed that locked property taxes on when you bought your home. Businesses got a slight reduction in property taxes, but as larger companies with well paid workers left because of the anti-business climate (plus being on the west coast did not help getting products across the country). Texas can never get rid of property taxes without an income tax, but they do need to be fixed which is no easy job. In my county the % is actually low but the appraisal district is on crack. My mortgage is only 1394/mo. My property taxes are 615/mo. What a fucking ratio. No Governor is going to get rid of them, they cant. The big problem is you have no idea what your property taxes are next year. You get a letter from your mortgage company and your payment goes up goes up $50, $100 or even $200 more a month. Can you guarantee your income is going to go up every year, or even stay the same? Property taxes need to be locked at the same rate until you sell you home. Keep it till the day you die you pay the same tax for the rest of your life. Other option is an income tax or raising sales tax to 18-20%. Spending money more responsibly and cutting spending not an option? |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 9:15:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spending money more responsibly and cutting spending not an option? Not if Democrats are involved at all. Abbott hasn't been perfect but things have not gotten as out of hand here in Texas as they have nationally. The Governor can only do so much anyway. |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 9:21:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gov Abbott's time has come to an end. He will lose to whoever the dems throw, as he stepped on the conservative toes of Texans throughout the state. Allen West is who I am planning on voting for in the Primary. I hope you are wrong about that. Abbott will probably win the primary and we are all screwed much worse if any Democrat that is likely to get their nomination gets elected. I know people who hate Abbot because he isn't perfect... But imagine if Wendy Davis was governor? You think given the current political climate on the Dem side their nominee this time won't be much, much worse? |
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Posted: 7/25/2021 11:15:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you are wrong about that. Abbott will probably win the primary and we are all screwed much worse if any Democrat that is likely to get their nomination gets elected. I know people who hate Abbot because he isn't perfect... But imagine if Wendy Davis was governor? You think given the current political climate on the Dem side their nominee this time won't be much, much worse? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gov Abbott's time has come to an end. He will lose to whoever the dems throw, as he stepped on the conservative toes of Texans throughout the state. Allen West is who I am planning on voting for in the Primary. I hope you are wrong about that. Abbott will probably win the primary and we are all screwed much worse if any Democrat that is likely to get their nomination gets elected. I know people who hate Abbot because he isn't perfect... But imagine if Wendy Davis was governor? You think given the current political climate on the Dem side their nominee this time won't be much, much worse? Ask yourself how Texas would be under Governor Beto, especially if we lose the Senate..Texas will be California 2.0 |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 9:15:46 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not if Democrats are involved at all. Abbott hasn't been perfect but things have not gotten as out of hand here in Texas as they have nationally. The Governor can only do so much anyway. How soon people forget about red flag EOs Gov Abbott Issues EOs About 30% of the state budget is education - TX spends about $15K per student per year - that is a good bit of the property tax problem. Cost of a 20 student class is $300K - I'd suggest some efficiency could be gained there. Different financing approach for example, bump the sales tax to 10%, make that 10% apply to property sales, bundle that sales tax into the mortgage payment and principal instead of property tax and be done. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 9:59:06 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How soon people forget about red flag EOs Gov Abbott Issues EOs About 30% of the state budget is education - TX spends about $15K per student per year - that is a good bit of the property tax problem. Cost of a 20 student class is $300K - I'd suggest some efficiency could be gained there. Different financing approach for example, bump the sales tax to 10%, make that 10% apply to property sales, bundle that sales tax into the mortgage payment and principal instead of property tax and be done. Those are not red flag laws which mandates seized firearms and then after the fact going to court. Most of it is DPS putting together a set of basic standards for smaller depts. to use. Other is requiring courts to report criminal convictions in a timely matter, not just blowing them off like the Air Force did on the Sutherland Springs murderer. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:49:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: About 30% of the state budget is education - TX spends about $15K per student per year - that is a good bit of the property tax problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: About 30% of the state budget is education - TX spends about $15K per student per year - that is a good bit of the property tax problem. Efficient? More efficient? Heck, Texas is 36th out of 50 as it is. Cost of a 20 student class is $300K - I'd suggest some efficiency could be gained there. Thats a bit misleading. Understand that isn't annual operating expenses, but includes debt service and capital expenses. It also isn't just state funds, but federal as well. Different financing approach for example, bump the sales tax to 10%, make that 10% apply to property sales, bundle that sales tax into the mortgage payment and principal instead of property tax and be done. I would be happy if my property taxes stayed in Plano. Plano ISD will send around $200 million back to the state of Texas to redistribute to property poor districts. That why its called the Robin Hood Plan. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 4:09:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryDo you actually know what red flag laws are? Because that's not it. From the article: Importantly, however, while the report does increase the standards for background checks, it does not include information pertaining to red flag laws, mandate background checks for so-called “stranger to stranger” sales, or implement state laws limiting the configuration of weapons. Abbot definitely has his faults, but there's no need to spread BS like "Abbot issued red flag EOs" when he most definitely did not do that. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 4:37:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask yourself how Texas would be under Governor Beto, especially if we lose the Senate..Texas will be California 2.0 Robert the Fake Mexican. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to run for Governor. Not one bit. The Republican party nominating someone who is un-electable might be what it takes to get an asshat like that elected. Then these people will be crying wishing they had Abbott back again. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 4:39:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you actually know what red flag laws are? Because that's not it. From the article: Importantly, however, while the report does increase the standards for background checks, it does not include information pertaining to red flag laws, mandate background checks for so-called “stranger to stranger” sales, or implement state laws limiting the configuration of weapons. Abbot definitely has his faults, but there's no need to spread BS like "Abbot issued red flag EOs" when he most definitely did not do that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you actually know what red flag laws are? Because that's not it. From the article: Importantly, however, while the report does increase the standards for background checks, it does not include information pertaining to red flag laws, mandate background checks for so-called “stranger to stranger” sales, or implement state laws limiting the configuration of weapons. Abbot definitely has his faults, but there's no need to spread BS like "Abbot issued red flag EOs" when he most definitely did not do that. Red flag legislation would have to come out of the legislature, even ‘universal background checks’ can’t get traction. The El Paso crowd came in screaming yelling crying about passing UBC in Homeland Security committee, went no where. After the El Paso shooting I think there was some investigation into RFL and UBC, and the political will was not there, but the Moron Media acted like Abbott and Patrick were gung ho about them. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 4:41:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Robert the Fake Mexican. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to run for Governor. Not one bit. The Republican party nominating someone who is un-electable might be what it takes to get an asshat like that elected. Then these people will be crying wishing they had Abbott back again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ask yourself how Texas would be under Governor Beto, especially if we lose the Senate..Texas will be California 2.0 Robert the Fake Mexican. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to run for Governor. Not one bit. The Republican party nominating someone who is un-electable might be what it takes to get an asshat like that elected. Then these people will be crying wishing they had Abbott back again. It looks like he is behind the DUMBocrats running off to Washington, with a couple of his high tech buddies. |
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