It's snowing here today so I was reading at another NY Firearms website in their Laws and Politics section and the poster was dumping pretty hard on Tom King pretty hard about a new building he is proposing to purchase. Any truth to be found in that story?

What would they need a building for anyway? It's not a large organization, rented office space should be plenty.

That was one of the points the poster made. They said there are only two employees!

Sounds like the government, give them too much money and they will come up with ways to spend it that benefit very few of their constituents!

If this is the case, my money will stop going to them.  Very easy decision to make and even easier to carry out!

Bill

Is the guy who posts the Lizard People/Hillary garbage and the neverending Trump memes on their payroll? I know NYSRPA donated more to his failed political campaigns than they did to Astorino.

Sounds like your typical cheap as fuck gun owner justifying being too cheap to support gun rights organizations.

Dosen't FUAC and his co-horts call the NYSRPA the "mini-NRA"?

What they are buying is a former Business building for a lot less than market value, and even after improvements are made will still be well under assessment, and factored against rent for their current location it doesn't take an accountant to figure out it saves money and will pay for itself in a few years....BTW: Ever TRY and park anywhere near the Capital Office Buildings? say Swan, Central, Eagle, etc.?
It's a damn good idea, and one supported overwhelmingly by the Board.

That's correct: there are only two paid persons, everyone else puts their money where their mouth is and volunteers....usually the ones that bitch the most, do the least including contribute.  

The Organization has got to have a headquarters, a building or Office Space; this comes at a premium in downtown Albany or anywhere else outside the ghetto.  It's physically responsible to minimize the outflow of money by purchasing this ,sub-$200k property.

The original question was did the post on the other forum have any merit. Thanks for your input.

Now back to my question of a few months ago, why hasn't there been any updates to the organization's website's home page since October? We read here a few days ago about a new court case that was filed but there is nothing to be found on the NYSRPA website. The last "Press Release" posted to the website was in 2015. If one know's enough, they can look at Mr King's Facebook account BUT if they don't know to look there, they would not know of any current work that is being done. Again I ask, is there a reason he (or his helper) can't post info in both places?

If someone doesn't say anything, my prediction is the next post to the website will be for: NYSRPA 147th Annual Meeting of Members & Sports Expo. Save the date May 19, 2018.

Sounds like your typical loud as fuck jerk on the web that cannot read a full post or ask a question before mouthing off!

As I stated, "If this is the case, my money will stop" which means I am waiting for additional information.

Thank you FP1201 for clarifying!

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Thanks for clarifying, I knew someone here would have details.

Bill

With this information I’ll change my opinion to a thumbs up on the matter.

NYSRPA should embed their Facebook feed on their website so their social media updates display on the NYSRPA website.

Easy way to keep things somewhat current.

I can say a lot of things being a Board Member, however I am not the spokesperson for NYSRPA and have to respect that position.
Facebook seems to bring the most responses and viewership to the Organization....I don't necessarily "like" FB, but the platform is there and effective.
NYSPA's web site is essentially run by a couple volunteers, as most everything else....even when we have BoD Meetings, we eat basic Lunch fair such as chips & Sandwiches...frugality is observed when and where possible; this I assure you of.

Fuck NYSRPA and double fuck Tom King.

We'll here's a guy who clearly read the thread.

OK, tell me why?

Never mind.

Blocking anyone on Facebook that they don't agree with, sudden large salary increase at the same time the fight the Safe Act donations were pouring in, allowing board members who own gun shops to not pay for advertising and general foolishness, etc.

Tom King might rub you and others the wrong way, good leaders usually do. That said he has been and continues to be the leading pro-gun activist in Albany par none.  If you or anyone else has a viable plan of action and willingness to make it a full time vocation then put your time, money, and effort into the organization. I hear and read a lot of bitching, but seldom see anything more than a membership being bought or a donation more than the cost of a meal. It s not my intention to lump us all together, only to point out there is much, much more to all this than appears at first glance.  If anyone has questions or issues, feel free to contact me and I will answer off-line or direct you to those who can.

Oh, and if this is Andy: give it a rest, and take your meds.  

There's a McDonald's that pays $80,000 a year?

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I was banned from NYSRPA’s page immediately after I made a post questioning why they were supporting Eric Schneiderman’s position on banning toy guns. I made no personal attack or derogatory remarks. I simply made the point that you can’t compromise with people like Schneiderman in the hopes that they will meet you half way on some other issue.

I know of numerous other people banned under similar circumstances.

$75,000 is about right:  is that out of line for managing a 45,000 member organization?
I do know of other Executive Directors managing Not of Profit Organizations in that same pay scale...Volunteer only goes just so far.
As for being kicked off FB: I have no knowledge or control over that...given the trolls, and anti-gun sentiment, it wouldn't surprise me if lots of people were/are kicked off deserving or not.

So which is it? A reasonable salary for an executive director of a not-for-profit, or jack shit McDonald's wages?

The amount of sand in manginas here is astounding.

Those screaming the most know the least.

There's plenty of truth to that post about NYSRPA. Don't be gullible enough to believe the brown nosing NYSRPA board member on this thread.

Search these two things to learn exactly what NYSRPA is all about.

6 Things NYSRPA Does Not Want its Members to Know
Tom King Sells Out NYSRPA Members, Again

This board member is also ignorant or a liar. NYSRPA does not have anywhere near 45,000 members and is losing money big time because members are deserting after learning how King got himself such an inordinate pay package and does nothing of value.

Fact is, King did not disclose that he lived 2 minutes away from this club house when he asked the board for money to buy it, nor did he present the building or neighborhood in an accurate light.  I know this for fact because I called a board member after I read about this. Why was he not honest and forthright in his request?

The occupancy costs will go up massively and all just to have tom King have a convenient place 2 minutes away from his house.

There is no benefit to NYSRPA members to buying this building!  NONE! It is all about corrupt Tom King and, to quote NY Gun Forum., his "Chimpanzee like yes men" who will do anything he says to do. After all that's why they were picked by King to be on the Board in the first place.

King also sucks up almost $100,000 a year and NYSRPA is about an ineffective as it comes. And he also wanted to hire a lawyer who sits on his board for $275 an hour with a huge non-use penalty to compensate him for work he did as a volunteer.  Again, to this brown nosing board member; please explain this to us and if you lie, I just may post the document proving this arrangement to show you are a liar.

King makes $90,000 in salary and the payroll taxes bring it up to nearly $100,000. The tax return this NYSRPA board member shows is a partial year from March- December. As an NYSRPA board member, he knows that, and yet he posted false information.

Same with the Olesen post.  Olesen is a NYSRPA board member and King loaned him nearly $12,000 of member money. It was not a single free ad. It's in the NYSRPA tax returns and if this brown nosing NYSRPA board member denies it, I will post the tax return to show he is a liar.

So you've had a burner account here for nearly five years just to attack Tom King. Why don't you just tell us what your other screenname is already.

Donald Trump

We all see that you've got problems and issues, most could be solved with counseling, Therapy, and medication: I would strongly encourage you to seek help before you push someone a bit too far with baseless allegations, as next time I won't be there to stop people from stomping your ass...yea, that was me that kept you from being arrested and having the shit beat out of you for picking a fight.  

You might take so pointers from Alex Jones when concocting conspiracies.

"Post it, I'd like to see the proof, and then ask exactly what that's all about. If he did "loan" money he was authorized by position to do so, and given what Brian has DONATED to the Association, I just have to call bullshit!"

Every person who is reading the above quote from a brown noser of an NYSRPA Board member, please see proof of King's loan of NYSRPA member funds to his friend and Board member Brian Olesen at the following link.

https://www.charitiesnys.com/RegistrySearch/show_details.jsp?id=%7bB6BFE5C2-E352-4D34-831C-FAEA7ED3ED3F%7d

Go to the 2015 financial filing from NYSRPA.  Click it and go to page 11, column 5 to see "Loans... from.. board members" of $11,946.  Then skip to the 3rd to last page.  Here you will find Olesen's name, his board member status, and the amount King loaned him for advertising in Bullet magazine: $11,946.  And then think of how much a fool this browning nosing board member really is and how he will back Tom King at all costs and all facts. THAT BEHAVIOR is the very definition of a brown noser if ever there was one!

Now, go to the below link on AR-15.com to learn about Olesen's criminal background and FFL revocation.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/-/9-279199/?page=1

Finally, ask yourself whether Tom King is the type of person you want handling your membership and donation funds made to NYSRPA?

And for more facts about Tom King's nearly 20 year tenure at NYSRPA, see:

https://nygunforum.com/threads/6-things-nysrpa-does-not-want-you-to-know.1421/

https://nygunforum.com/threads/tom-king-sells-out-nysrpa-members-again.9939/

fp1201 is full of it, delusional and sees some phantom person behind every person who thinks Tom King is corrupt. He/she accuses every poster of being some phantom conspiracy theorist just like Hillary Clinton did when she called her many detractors part of a vast right wing conspiracy.  King's BS is well known on all manner of internet forums as is his dismal performance. The decline in NYSRPA membership shows just that. And you don't have to ask SCOPE to see why.

I guess the Feds are in the habit of paying out large monetary settlements to those they accuse when the accused were guilty? No, no that wouldn't make sense now would it. The Feds did settle, the Special Agent in charge of the persecution is no more, and Brian Olesen is one of the largest independent firearms dealers in the Northeast... go figure.

Meanwhile I think A*** might be the first person in NY who will be deemed an extreme risk and become prohibited based on his unhinged and libelous rants on here and other boards.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm popcorn!

If what you claim was true of the feds, it would be all over the press. Olesen LOST his federal lawsuits at the trial and appeals level. You are just a gullible fool and one of Tom King's butt boys/ mouthpieces trying desperately to divert attention from the facts about NYSRPA and how King runs it for his own benefit. And if Olesen is such a large gun dealer, than why didn't he pay his advertising bills to NYSRPA and needed King to loan him almost $12,000 of NYSRPA member money?

I bet you are now going to tell us all how King is worth paying nearly $100,000 of member money, aren't you? And your accusations about "unhinged" show you have no clue.  King's non-sense and corrupt ways of using member money for his own benefit is documented all over the net.  I learned about it from an e-mail that went to every SCOPE chapter in the state and at least 3 gun clubs' mailing lists. They wwr all very willing to pass the info along so that members know who is running the NYSRPA and how their donations are used.  Result:  NYSRPA is in a financial nosedive.

Now tell me why he never disclosed to his board that the building he wants to buy is 2 minutes away from his house?  That's the latest example of NYSRPA using member money for King, not for members.

Every member should study the financials of NYSRPA and then decide if King is worth what he is being paid.

How about you stop being a coward and tell us who you are. I'm willing to post up my information and relationship to Brian and Tom. Are you willing to do the same? No I bet you're not because you know you'll get sued into destitution for your libelous and defamatory remarks. You're pretty "brave" sniping anonymously. Shit, the Broward County deputy who stood outside and let 17 kids die is more courageous than you are.

Hey, pal, the truth is an absolute defense and the published press on Olesen and the financial statements on King show who these two bozos really are.  TRUTH TRUMPS STUPIDITY.

You just can't handle the facts just like the brown noser above, whoever he or she is.

OK, if it's all there Post it with links.
You're an accountant: show us all these Financial Statements and the explanations that accompany them.
Show us the "TRUTH" of I call BULLSHIT!

Then stop being a coward and say who you are. If you get sued for libel and defamation you'll get to depose your opposition in court. Isn't that what you want? Stop being a chicken shit and sniping anonymously. If "truth" is your defense what the fuck are you so scared of?

So put your money where your mouth is.  

That brings to mind the question, why do we know so little?

That's probably one of the biggest complaints of NYSRPA members. "..is that out of line for managing a 45,000 member organization...", he's apparently not having a lot of difficulty or spending too much time managing me. But then I don't go n Facebook.

There is some serious animosity here against Tom King here, and it would almost seem against the NYSRPA and its ranking members in general.

If you join or donate to an organization that has over 1000 members, you should be fully aware that at least a portion of the money generated by that organization will be going towards the administrative costs of running that organization. When you get to be the size of an organization approaching 45000 members, there is going to be significant time and effort involved in managing, representing members, and lobbying for that organizations positions. Would it not be justifiable to compensate people for their time? Tom King lobbies the NYS Legislative Groups as well as the Federal Groups for the NRA. So whether you like it or not, there is significant time and effort devoted to these activities, as well as exhausting travel and public appearances. to pay someone 100K a year, to have to live in the Albany area, travel constantly and be called upon to be the face of an organization is a very minimal investment.

Arguing against the purchase of a 200K office building in the area of any of the major 4 major metropolitan areas of NY (Buffalo, Albany, Syracuse, or NYC area (sorry Rochester and Binghamton!)) is utterly ignorant to the very principles of business alone. a 200k office building will most definitely grow in value in the coming years do to a variety of factors, which is what most people would call a SOLID INVESTMENT.

All organizations have waste, whether through corruption or bad financial planning. To expect otherwise is just naive and indeed foolish. The NRA and the NYSRPA have not shown me in any case that they are corrupt spenders, so any waste might be attributed to bad business performance.

At the end of the day, if you don't want to be part of an organization you are always free to cut ties. But to sit here and disparage people who put a lot of time and energy into helping other members here is just juvenile and idiotic. If you have a personal quarrel with someone, doesn't it make much more sense to be a mature adult and take that issue up with them personally? And while I am doing my best to refrain from personal judgement, it would seem that your specific ax that you want to grind with FP1201 is just making you look unhinged. I have never even met the person behind the screen name but he has always been supportive of other members of this website and has never said anything to attack someone personally as you have him.

Whatever the back and forth 1201 has proven to have integrity and intellect.   I’ll go with what he says

Arbor Hill is pretty much Zombieland.

With all the purse swinging this question from Tahawus seems to have gone unanswered...I'd like to know the answer....seems anyone who would join forces with Schneiderman is a turncoat and traitor...Schneiderman is a scumbag and pure evil.

I do not know why  Tahawus was banned or deleted from the NYSRPA FB page, and again, the person that was admin/monitoring the Page was Hospitalized and from what I was told hasn't been able to continue taking care of it. There are plans in motion to Professionally update NYSRPA's Website, and Social Media sites.  I dare say that if you have any other questions or input on the subject to contact Tom King: If you e-mail or call him, he invariably replies in a timely fashion.

There is NO ONE on the Board of Directors or any other position within the Organization embraces AG Schneiderman in any way, shape or form. Being Polite, courteous, and respectful is a hallmark of any professional interaction: One may not like him or his views, but is entitled the respect due the Office.