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@interestedbystander - any movement today?
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I've had a personal emergency requiring my attention and have been out of touch with events for a while so I've got to do a lot of catching up. The few times I could grab a peek on my phone, things did not look good e.g. breaking the govs amendatory veto into separate bills with amendments, reintroducing gun dealer licensing, some potential gun registration with no FOIA exemption, etc. Sounds like some so called republicans (read 7 voted with the Dems in one chamber) have abandoned the pro 2A folks and are jumping in with the likes of Harmon. Nybo and Oberweis sounded like they need to hear they are dead to us but I need to read up on current status.
A couple of updates I found so far:
Gun bills advance
http://www.sj-r.com/news/20180530/gun-bills-advance-in-illinois-legislature
Oberweis
https://m.facebook.com/ILGUNLOBBY/posts/10155725969317775
Dealer Licensing update and Gun registration
https://m.facebook.com/ILGUNLOBBY/posts/10155728256327775
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=69190#entry1157283IL-GUNLOBBY
SB-337 was amended in the House and they tossed this little gem in there:
"A transferee shall not be criminally liable under this Section provided that he or she provides the Department of State Police with the transfer records in accordance with procedures established by the Department. The Department shall establish, by rule, a standard form on its website.".
So the Department of State Police by a rule will develop a form to collect information on private transfers of firearms. We call this a form of registration. So what information is required to be collected? For that dear readers we must look at the current law.
“(b) Any person within this State who transfers or causes to be transferred any firearm, stun gun, or taser shall keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 years from the date of transfer. Such record shall contain the date of the transfer; the description, serial number or other information identifying the firearm, stun gun, or taser if no serial number is available; and, if the transfer was completed within this State, the transferee's Firearm Owner's Identification Card number and any approval number or documentation provided by the Department of State Police pursuant to subsection (a-10) of this Section.”
So you the seller must keep Make, model serial number, the date you transferred it and the buyer’s FOID number. Lots of gun owners copy the FOID or write down the person’s name and info along with the FOID #.
More than a few legislators are hiding behind the idea that it’s not really registration since it’s voluntary. But is it really? People who don’t want to face the threat of a felony charge for losing their records, having the dog eat them or destroyed due to a flood or fire might feel that that threat makes tough to avoid. So they may do it, and for them that is a decision they get to make, but for the buyer, it’s not their decision.
Let’s say you buy a gun from someone. And not wanting to get jammed up, they file the paperwork with the State Police. So the State Police being good little law enforcement officers are going to ask for make, model serial number, date the firearm was transferred. They then most likely will require the seller to input their information, even if it is just a FOID, but since they are the repository of this information you know they are gonna want to make it a searchable database so that when the seller says he gave the info to State Police that they can quickly check to make sure it’s true. And then the seller is required under current law to get you, the buyers FOID number. That has all your info, and you have just had your firearm registered with the State Police without you consent. Not so voluntary, now is it.
And nothing in the bill prevents State Police from linking this data to your FOID card. Don’t think they won’t do it? They already link all of your FTIP call ins from gun dealers to your FOID and have the records going all the way back to 1992 when the system first started.
The proponents of the bill have done a lot to try and tamp down the idea that this is any form of registration, but no matter how you dress it up just like putting lipstick on a pig, still makes it a pig, this is a registration scheme. Make, model, serial number and your identifying information, being held by a governmental agency is a registry of firearms and their owners. Despite what anti-gunners say they don’t get to define the terms in our debate on this. It is a registry with threat of felonies for losing paperwork as the hammer for compliance.
We would also like to point out that there is no exemption to the Freedom Of Information Act of this information. While we would hope that the State Police would not release this type of information, it was not that long ago that the Attorney General was saying the State Police had to turn over the FOID card list to the AP. It took a lawsuit and change in the law to stop it.
Those people that supported this bill supported registering firearms. And while supporters of the bill say it is voluntary or permissive, what prevents the State Police decide by rule that the submission becomes mandatory? In other parts of the bill the State Police are given wide latitude on rulemaking so it might not be such a far-fetched idea that under a hostile administration, they would try to pass gun control via rule and bypass the legislature.