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Posted: 11/7/2018 9:15:03 AM EDT
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I only know he is a dem, so not sure what that means for our very good cc permit program.
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Posted: 11/7/2018 9:22:46 AM EDT
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Black guy over 50. Over weight and heart attack risk.
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Posted: 11/7/2018 10:20:53 AM EDT
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It means Jefferson County is gonna get a lot shittier.
You can kiss cheap permits, and effective LE goodbye at least. |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 1:39:43 PM EDT
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It means Jefferson County is gonna get a lot shittier. You can kiss cheap permits, and effective LE goodbye at least. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 2:26:32 PM EDT
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The permit fee is set by state law. He can however change the process to take the full 30 days. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means Jefferson County is gonna get a lot shittier. You can kiss cheap permits, and effective LE goodbye at least. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. This is bad folks, a critical mass has been reached in JeffCo and it looks like we’re headed to Detroit. I knew it was gonna happen, just look at the judge and the Jones races. Jefferson County is now blue. |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 3:30:28 PM EDT
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I’d imagine the new DA is gonna screw us too in reguard to LE as well. Catch and Release will be order of the day. This is bad folks, a critical mass has been reached in JeffCo and it looks like we’re headed to Detroit. I knew it was gonna happen, just look at the judge and the Jones races. Jefferson County is now blue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means Jefferson County is gonna get a lot shittier. You can kiss cheap permits, and effective LE goodbye at least. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. This is bad folks, a critical mass has been reached in JeffCo and it looks like we’re headed to Detroit. I knew it was gonna happen, just look at the judge and the Jones races. Jefferson County is now blue. |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 5:15:52 PM EDT
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JeffCo is well known among the neighboring counties for coddling criminals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means Jefferson County is gonna get a lot shittier. You can kiss cheap permits, and effective LE goodbye at least. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. This is bad folks, a critical mass has been reached in JeffCo and it looks like we’re headed to Detroit. I knew it was gonna happen, just look at the judge and the Jones races. Jefferson County is now blue. Like I said, this is a new fucking low. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 8:25:51 PM EDT
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I can't say that I'm happy. The last person I wanted running things is this new guy. I hope he isn't a complete tool but I fear for the worst.
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Posted: 11/9/2018 1:40:38 PM EDT
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I only know he is a dem, so not sure what that means for our very good cc permit program. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 3:13:27 PM EDT
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He will probably increase the yearly price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only know he is a dem, so not sure what that means for our very good cc permit program. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 1:06:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't. The price is set by state law. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 6:48:55 PM EDT
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Pistol permits are $7.50 per year by order of Sheriff Hale. Other counties are $20.00 a year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Can't. The price is set by state law. Yep going to $20. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 8:33:50 PM EDT
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I am also worried about getting CLEO appoval for suppressors.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 12:05:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. I thought it was set by the state for JeffCo. Yep going to $20. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 12:42:30 AM EDT
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You were wrong...again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Interesting. I thought it was set by the state for JeffCo. Yep going to $20. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 9:51:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't. The price is set by state law. i have several very close friends at JCSO. they hate the guy. i have heard he is SERIOUSLY racist toward white deputies and they are expecting a fairly large turnover if that begins to work it's way down the chain. as for soft the county here was about the only LE agency that actually went after criminals in an appropriate manner in bad areas. that i suspect will now end. this is really bad for JCSO imho. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 9:54:43 AM EDT
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I am also worried about getting CLEO appoval for suppressors. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/chief-law-enforcement-officer-required-sign-law-enforcement-certification-atf-form-1-or |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:32:18 PM EDT
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that may be but our permits are currently 7.50 yr. most other counties are significantly more. he can increase that to the state max easily. i have several very close friends at JCSO. they hate the guy. i have heard he is SERIOUSLY racist toward white deputies and they are expecting a fairly large turnover if that begins to work it's way down the chain. as for soft the county here was about the only LE agency that actually went after criminals in an appropriate manner in bad areas. that i suspect will now end. this is really bad for JCSO imho. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:23:32 PM EDT
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i am already hearing grumblings of sr deputies looking for other jobs.
he was also talking bout putting sro's in all the schools, which hale already did as well |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 3:42:19 AM EDT
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i am already hearing grumblings of sr deputies looking for other jobs. he was also talking bout putting sro's in all the schools, which hale already did as well My son just graduated Hoover, and I have been in most schools in the county what with football and marching band; every school I have been to in the last four years has had SRO's. What a tool. This really is bad news for JeffCo. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:00:03 AM EDT
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he was also talking bout putting sro's in all the schools, which hale already did as well 
Sadly, this is what happens when voters don't do their homework. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:53:19 PM EDT
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Interesting plan - train inmates to work on HVAC systems.
 He will implement programs in the jail that will allow inmates to earn a GED or High School Diploma and provide opportunities for them to learn a skilled trade, such as heating & air, plumbing or electrical trades. https://www.pettwayforsheriff.com/pettway-proactive-plan |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:13:27 PM EDT
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Interesting plan - train inmates to work on HVAC systems. He will implement programs in the jail that will allow inmates to earn a GED or High School Diploma and provide opportunities for them to learn a skilled trade, such as heating & air, plumbing or electrical trades. https://www.pettwayforsheriff.com/pettway-proactive-plan |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 9:59:15 PM EDT
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i am already hearing grumblings of sr deputies looking for other jobs. he was also talking bout putting sro's in all the schools, which hale already did as well Thats how many deputies have put in retirement paperwork according to a friend. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:04:15 PM EDT
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that may be but our permits are currently 7.50 yr. most other counties are significantly more. he can increase that to the state max easily. i have several very close friends at JCSO. they hate the guy. i have heard he is SERIOUSLY racist toward white deputies and they are expecting a fairly large turnover if that begins to work it's way down the chain. as for soft the county here was about the only LE agency that actually went after criminals in an appropriate manner in bad areas. that i suspect will now end. this is really bad for JCSO imho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Can't. The price is set by state law. i have several very close friends at JCSO. they hate the guy. i have heard he is SERIOUSLY racist toward white deputies and they are expecting a fairly large turnover if that begins to work it's way down the chain. as for soft the county here was about the only LE agency that actually went after criminals in an appropriate manner in bad areas. that i suspect will now end. this is really bad for JCSO imho. Jefferson County Sheriff's Office is super fucked. As for the regular schlubs who live there, they're fucked too. Center Point is already a shithole, and its going to get worse. Expect a mass breakout of "smile and wave" policing from both BPD and JCSO. Property values will crater and taxes will go up, crime will appear to go down, because it will be juked or not reported. Why bring up BPD? Same guy who picked their new Chief is the guy who pushed Pettway over the top. Woodfin. Woodfin is a very dangerous person, according to previously mentioned sources, his whole family is wrapped up in several illegal enterprises, and politically hes built quite a capable machine taking over Jefferson County (I've heard it said, it was he who got Doug Jones over the top, replaced the DA's, Judges, and Now Sheriff, finally made himself Mayor of Birmingham). |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:06:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Number is 38. Thats how many deputies have put in retirement paperwork according to a friend. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:17:22 PM EDT
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i know a few of them Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The Number is 38. Thats how many deputies have put in retirement paperwork according to a friend. According to my guy, some of those are Captains, Lieutenants and Sergeants as well. I imagine all the appointed people will be gone too. I wonder if Hale will do the young guys a solid and start signing transfer paperwork for people who can try to flee but aren't eligible to retire. According to the same source, two names percolating for upper command are Hannah (former Deputy, positively regarded by source) and Hill (ran for Sheriff last time). If thats true, Pettway is trying to get a White Guy to prove he ain't racist or at least provide a shield to such accusations. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. According to my guy, some of those are Captains, Lieutenants and Sergeants as well. I imagine all the appointed people will be gone too. I wonder if Hale will do the young guys a solid and start signing transfer paperwork for people who can try to flee but aren't eligible to retire. According to the same source, two names percolating for upper command are Hannah (former Deputy, positively regarded by source) and Hill (ran for Sheriff last time). If thats true, Pettway is trying to get a White Guy to prove he ain't racist or at least provide a shield to such accusations. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:16:02 PM EDT
[#29]
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The permit fee is set by state law. He can however change the process to take the full 30 days. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means Jefferson County is gonna get a lot shittier. You can kiss cheap permits, and effective LE goodbye at least. Mike Hale was the ONLY sheriff in AL that supported Constitutional Carry. I'm actually shocked by his loss. I didn't think he was in trouble. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 2:08:10 AM EDT
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that hasn't been a thing for a couple of years now. he only gets a notification of the sale. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/chief-law-enforcement-officer-required-sign-law-enforcement-certification-atf-form-1-or |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 6:06:26 PM EDT
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Hopefully it will never happen, but when is the New Sheriff supposed to take office? I looked but my Google is weak.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 7:02:34 PM EDT
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A Republican running in Jefco is always in trouble. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 8:31:06 PM EDT
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talked to someone in the know today that knows him pretty well. i was told CCW is safe. that he has even discussed lowering permit prices further. this was from someone i trust very much. he has stated the permit office should not be a profit center. we will see. frankly i am not holding my breath.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:15:53 AM EDT
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Thanks Beer Slayer. I guess we shall see how things will go.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 7:24:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2018 7:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote Historythere are parts of that i don't disagree with in a perfect world. i also understand there is an element in this society that can't be educated away from crime and only responds to violence and force. i ride with a few guys in CP fairly regularly. there is no way they will ever be officer friendly that knows everyone in that area. far to many calls, too few deputies, too much real violence and stupidity. They all have their "informants" and generally know where the problems are, where the dope is being moved to, who's moving it, where the stash houses for stolen goods are etc. what they don't have is the time, resources, and backing from the courts and prosecutors to get these assholes off the streets. until that changes pettway isn;t going to change anything and turning CP into friendly faces is going to turn it into a bigger war zone than it already is. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:27:26 PM EDT
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"He favors decriminalizing marijuana, opposes arming school employees, supports additional jailhouse education programs to reduce recidivism and plans for deputies to go out and talk to people more often, rather than just patrolling." there are parts of that i don't disagree with in a perfect world. i also understand there is an element in this society that can't be educated away from crime and only responds to violence and force. i ride with a few guys in CP fairly regularly. there is no way they will ever be officer friendly that knows everyone in that area. far to many calls, too few deputies, too much real violence and stupidity. They all have their "informants" and generally know where the problems are, where the dope is being moved to, who's moving it, where the stash houses for stolen goods are etc. what they don't have is the time, resources, and backing from the courts and prosecutors to get these assholes off the streets. until that changes pettway isn;t going to change anything and turning CP into friendly faces is going to turn it into a bigger war zone than it already is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
"He favors decriminalizing marijuana, opposes arming school employees, supports additional jailhouse education programs to reduce recidivism and plans for deputies to go out and talk to people more often, rather than just patrolling." there are parts of that i don't disagree with in a perfect world. i also understand there is an element in this society that can't be educated away from crime and only responds to violence and force. i ride with a few guys in CP fairly regularly. there is no way they will ever be officer friendly that knows everyone in that area. far to many calls, too few deputies, too much real violence and stupidity. They all have their "informants" and generally know where the problems are, where the dope is being moved to, who's moving it, where the stash houses for stolen goods are etc. what they don't have is the time, resources, and backing from the courts and prosecutors to get these assholes off the streets. until that changes pettway isn;t going to change anything and turning CP into friendly faces is going to turn it into a bigger war zone than it already is. Trying to outreach the creatures of Tha Purnt (or similar) is just pants on head retarded and gonna get someone killed in the streets. Literally. Less enforcement is just going to embolden them, and like you said, turn it into an every larger war zone. My issue is that hes already race baiting, and hasn't even assumed the office yet, thats gonna have a real chilling effect on any Deputy who is still even semi-proactive, if like me, you own property in Jefferson County (even a nice area) its time to get out. Jefferson County is done for. Used to you could depend on the Deputies, Judges, and DA's Office, not anymore. One by one they fell. Smaller Municipalities will also be effected (even Nice ones, Mountain Brook, Vestavia Hills, Trussville {Trussville is really gonna feel the effect I think {proximity to CP}} etc.) because if they charge with a Felony, those officers will have to deal with the new Hug-A-Thug DA, and it will be a revolving door I'm afraid. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:52:20 PM EDT
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i work with a fire district right next to CP. we are already feeling the flood of centerpoints garbage coming our way. dope, thefts, assaults even a couple of murders. things that were completely unheard of in this are 3-4 years ago. we call for JCSO regularly and have a great relationship with them. when we call we KNOW the cavalry is coming fast and hard. i suspect that is going to change for the worse next year. i know my freinds there will back us up but i suspect their hands will be tied and many of them that are used to being actual police in that area are going to find themselves in trouble with management for doing what has to be done. Those guys are not bitches and they are not going to switch off to nice guy mode easily.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:57:06 PM EDT
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i suspect there is also going to be less cooperation with things such as the MACC as local departments begin to rely less and less on cooperation from the SO.
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Posted: 11/18/2018 7:04:28 PM EDT
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i suspect there is also going to be less cooperation with things such as the MACC as local departments begin to rely less and less on cooperation from the SO. https://www.al.com/crime/2018/11/new-black-officers-court-officials-rethinking-us-policing.html |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 8:06:07 PM EDT
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a few years ago BHAM pd entered into partnership with obama DOJ for "new policing standards" as a pilot program. look where that went....
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Posted: 11/19/2018 1:16:41 PM EDT
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Going to be interesting when these new gentler and softer criminals do their deeds over the line.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 2:18:47 PM EDT
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Going to be interesting when these new gentler and softer criminals do their deeds over the line. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:46:17 PM EDT
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and we start importing them from surrounding counties due to less chance of prosecution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Going to be interesting when these new gentler and softer criminals do their deeds over the line. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:56:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *Idly considers legal issues leaving a registered SBR and Suppressor in his Car* |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:49:51 PM EDT
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ar pistol with brace ftw :) Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: *Idly considers legal issues leaving a registered SBR and Suppressor in his Car* Whats that? *EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
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Posted: 11/22/2018 12:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* Whats that? *EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
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Posted: 11/23/2018 9:04:21 PM EDT
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i'd rather my pistol end up in an evidence locker Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: *EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* Whats that? *EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
I can replace it with like 400 bucks as it sits, all accessories... though I'm considering swapping to a "Other" shotgun with a brace. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 9:10:54 PM EDT
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I had invested in property in Mountain Brook. I may be looking to get out if this goes sideways. I'll keep my ears to the ground.
I'm thinking Shelby, St. Clair or further North toward Cullman/Huntsville. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 9:59:37 PM EDT
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I had invested in property in Mountain Brook. I may be looking to get out if this goes sideways. I'll keep my ears to the ground. I'm thinking Shelby, St. Clair or further North toward Cullman/Huntsville. Personally, I'm looking Jasper, Curry, Cullman, or like you said, further North (Huntsville, Lake Guntersville) or WAY South (Baldwin Co.) |
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