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Posted: 4/1/2022 6:48:15 PM EDT
Holy shit, do we really have a whole month to go?  Is Mandel's campaign so bad that now he has to make his hurt feelings his main talking point?

Does anyone know the NRA grades for these candidates?
Link Posted: 4/1/2022 9:41:52 PM EDT
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i haven't seen any grades on these primary candidates...

Link Posted: 4/6/2022 12:35:54 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/6/2022 7:26:55 AM EDT
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Mandell was in the Marine Corps!

I know because he KEEPS hammering on it. Great. Love the Corps, myself, but no one says he hasn't "worked" and didn't spent two tours in Afghanistan. Gibbons said he's never had a job in the private sector. The Marine Corps isn't the "private sector".

That fundamental misunderstanding, coupled with the class warfare commercials Mandel has been running since the exchange is making it hard for me to pull the lever for him. It makes him sound like a damn Democrat.
Link Posted: 4/6/2022 8:32:54 AM EDT
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From what I can tell, he was only Marine Corps Reserve. Definitely what I would expect of a career politician that wanted to “check the box” to build out his political resume.

As a 15-year member of the USAR, there’s a reason why I refer to my civilian employer as “my real job.”
Link Posted: 4/6/2022 8:59:25 AM EDT
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Thanks for that.

According to this, Mandel has an A and is the only one who has voted on 2nd amendment bills.  YEs, the others have not been in office so there's that and they have an A with a q after it which means its just based on their stance, and not votes

I have to say I wasn't really interested in Mandel when he ran in the past.  Seemed squish.  BUt someone on here posted about him months ago and I decided to relook.  Now take this with a grain of salt since it's from WIKI but... anyone WIKI says is an "American far-right politician" seems to be on the right track
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Mandel
some highlights:


  • eight years as an intelligence specialist. His first tour was from February to November 2004, during which he was attached to a light armored reconnaissance battalion. He left for his second tour in September 2007. Attached to an infantry battalion, Mandel served in the city of Hadith

  • Mandel's first piece of legislation as a State Representative, H.B. 151, was an initiative to force the multibillion-dollar Ohio pension funds to divest from companies doing business in Iran

  • During Mandel's time as treasurer, Ohio retained the highest possible rating from Standard & Poor's for the state's $4 billion government investment fund

  • On December 2, 2014, Mandel launched OhioCheckbook.com, a website that reports every expenditure in state government in an effort, according to Mandel, to "create an army of citizen watchdogs who have the power to hold politicians accountable

  • On November 25, 2018, Mandel made Ohio the first state in America to enable taxpayers to pay taxes with cryptocurrency

  • In July 2017, Mandel stated his support for alt-right activists and conspiracy theorists Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec

  • n October 2021, posting on a far-right conservative website, Mandel claimed that Jewish financier George Soros and the Deep State were responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic, the Black Lives Matter, Antifa and pro-Trumpist assault on Capitol Hill demonstrations and riots

  • Mandel has pledged to carry forward Donald Trump's agenda, citing Trump's second impeachment as a "sham" and vowing to fight for the "America First" agenda

  • He supports the approval of the Keystone XL pipeline.

  • In early September 2021, when the U.S. evacuated Afghan allies from Afghanistan, Mandel said that refugees were being brought to "the heart of America ... To protect our kids, our communities and our Judeo-Christian way of life, we must FIGHT this with all our might

  • He followed up with more tweets saying "Freedom of religion ≠ freedom FROM religion" and "America was not founded as a secular nation



Now of course, he's a politician so.... seems to be good.  Who knows if he can fight for US like President Trump did.

All this being said, I'd have to look into the others as well.  anyone BUT JD VANCE.  Screw that guy
Link Posted: 4/6/2022 7:16:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Geezah] [#6]
I will give Mandel props for his service, after that, he's a liability.
Got beaten by Sherrod Brown in 2012, and dropped out of the race against Sherrod Brown in 2018.

Not worth it, need new blood, and I am currently drawn between Gibson and Timken...
Link Posted: 4/27/2022 12:20:09 AM EDT
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Not sure how David Joyce got endorsed. He's got one of the most liberal voting records of all Republican members of Congress.
Link Posted: 4/27/2022 12:22:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Geezah:
I will give Mandel props for his service, after that, he's a liability.
Got beaten by Sherrod Brown in 2012, and dropped out of the race against Sherrod Brown in 2018.

Not worth it, need new blood, and I am currently drawn between Gibson and Timken...
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I'm voting Pukita. Timken is just another establishment hack, and also potentially associated with the Ohio Republican Party missing between $2 and $3 million. Gibbons has said that he doesn't think the middle class pays its "fair share" in taxes, and just can't be trusted with my wallet.
Link Posted: 4/27/2022 7:51:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FreedomSoul:Gibbons has said that he doesn't think the middle class pays its "fair share" in taxes, and just can't be trusted with my wallet.
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Originally Posted By FreedomSoul:Gibbons has said that he doesn't think the middle class pays its "fair share" in taxes, and just can't be trusted with my wallet.

I think Gibbons statement was directed at the portion of the country which pay no taxes not at raising them on others who already pay.  But he certainly gave his critics a powerful soundbite.

Gibbons, Sept. 24: [Democratic Sen.] Elizabeth Warren’s obsession with not being a wealthy person is, is hurting our country. And, and, you know, if somebody takes that kind of risk, they should be rewarded. Now I’m not talking about about cutting taxes for the people that make it. I don’t have a problem with a progressive income tax structure. You know, I think a flat tax would even be better. We’d have much higher growth, but I’m not, I can live with a progressive tax structure. The problem is, is the narrative on the part of the Democrats is absolutely false. The top 20% of earners in the United States pay 82% of federal income tax. We only have, and if you do the math, and 45 to 50% don’t pay any income tax. You can see the middle class is not really paying any kind of a fair share depending on how you wanted to define it. The problem is you need the middle class to win an election. So the narrative is the middle class is getting screwed and the wealthy, the elite are getting, are cheating everybody and getting by unfairly. How much of the total tax bill can a very small percentage of the nation pay and still be a democracy? You can’t have 10 or 20% of the population carrying the whole bill. It just it doesn’t work long run. You know it’s a very dangerous situation. Everybody should share at least to some degree in the tax bill.


Full disclosure Gibbons is currently my preferred candidate so I may be reading his statement with some confirmation bias.

JLE
Link Posted: 4/27/2022 12:25:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Racsan:

I think Gibbons statement was directed at the portion of the country which pay no taxes not at raising them on others who already pay.  But he certainly gave his critics a powerful soundbite.



Full disclosure Gibbons is currently my preferred candidate so I may be reading his statement with some confirmation bias.

JLE
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Originally Posted By Racsan:

I think Gibbons statement was directed at the portion of the country which pay no taxes not at raising them on others who already pay.  But he certainly gave his critics a powerful soundbite.



Full disclosure Gibbons is currently my preferred candidate so I may be reading his statement with some confirmation bias.

JLE

My concern is with this portion of Mr. Gibbons' comments:
You can see the middle class is not really paying any kind of a fair share depending on how you wanted to define it. The problem is you need the middle class to win an election. So the narrative is the middle class is getting screwed and the wealthy, the elite are getting, are cheating everybody and getting by unfairly.
There are 2 things, really.
  1. Depending on how he's defining "middle class", it seems as though he feels it isn't paying its fair share. I don't see the folks who pay no taxes as "middle class". Maybe that's just me.
  2. What he's essentially saying in the next couple of sentences is that it's OK to create and shape false impressions for the middle class as long as you're doing it to win. Again, maybe just me, but I can't get behind that.
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm voting for Mark Pukita, so I've probably got some bias in reading those statements too.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 11:13:23 AM EDT
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Well, I had to vote today since I'll be out of town for the election.
Pulled the handle for Blystone/Workman and Mandel.

The ad where he's with mittens and mcstain was tough for me to swallo, but pretty much everyone at the time thought they were fine.

Hell, I even voted for both of them.   I had to make a choice and hope it's the best one with the info I had.

Good luck
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 2:24:38 PM EDT
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This right here, is another reason why I won't vote Mandel...

McCain is part of the reason we had 4yrs of the bullshit Russia Collusion...
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 3:29:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Geezah:
https://i.imgur.com/aixZWs2.jpeg

This right here, is another reason why I won't vote Mandel...

McCain is part of the reason we had 4yrs of the bullshit Russia Collusion...
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yup.  Definitely a hard pill to swallow.  Question though, did you vote for McStain when he was running for Prez?  I admit I did.  If I knew then what I know now... hard pill again, but sure as shit wouldnt have voted for Obama
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 10:02:45 PM EDT
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yup.  Definitely a hard pill to swallow.  Question though, did you vote for McStain when he was running for Prez?  I admit I did.  If I knew then what I know now... hard pill again, but sure as shit wouldnt have voted for Obama
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Yes I did. It was my first Presidential election I got to vote in as a Citizen, and I saw Palin at Union Center in West Chester, and McCain/Palin at Lunkin Airport in Cinnci. Unfortunately, it was the best they had to offer at the time.
I even voted fror Romney, and I did my best to convince myself that he was worth the vote..
Link Posted: 4/30/2022 4:34:49 AM EDT
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https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/ohio/

As far as I can tell Gibbons is the only listed politician who has publicly admitted membership in a firearms organization, in his case NRA.
Link Posted: 4/30/2022 8:16:36 AM EDT
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Dolan and Dewine both got a B+.
Link Posted: 5/2/2022 9:48:46 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/2/2022 3:28:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WileyCoyote:
Reminder to vote on Tuesday!



2022 BFA-PAC Grades and Endorsements for the Ohio Primary
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I typically use the BFA guide to vote, esp for state positions...but this one is tough.  I've admittedly not spent much time paying attention and don't know any of them well.
Link Posted: 5/2/2022 6:23:27 PM EDT
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Hope you all make it to the polls tomorrow if you haven't already voted.

I'm supporting Gibbon's as I believe he's the strongest candidate on the Second Amendment
and the most Trump like Tea Party value candidate. He ran for Senate in 18 and I got to know
him then. Hes a self made main with working class roots from Parma like my Dad.

Rand Paul Supports Gibbons for a reason.

I'm concerned Josh Mandel and JD Vance will split the Trump vote and give the race to Matt Dolan.

Good luck and go vote whatever you do friends~


Link Posted: 5/2/2022 10:53:05 PM EDT
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Trumpster endorsed Vance, ..but Gen. Flynn endorsed Mandel...  

...interesting...

Link Posted: 5/2/2022 11:27:00 PM EDT
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The Ohio GOP establishment doing whatever they could to block Trump from endorsing JD Vance says all you need to know.

These are the same people who brought you Kaisich, Taft, DeWine, Portman, etc…

Mandel’s “thank me for my service” adds are nauseatingly bad. I question the sanity and motives of anyone willing to put out stuff so self aggrandizing.

Gibbons isn’t quite as bad, and the Paul endorsement says something, but I think he’s just another disconnected rich guy looking to buy a seat.

JD might have said some bad things about Trump back in 2016, but so did I, and I think he understands on a very deep and personal level the current issues facing the country.

And again the Ohio GOP establishment hates him.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 6:02:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/3/2022 6:42:24 AM EDT
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I really do not feel motivated to vote, and this is the first time I've felt this way.
For years, we've always gone to the Polling Station as a family, to instill how important it is to make your voice heard to my kids, but I'm just not feeling it today.
I think I'm going to vote Vance because of President Trumps endorsement, while I want to go Blystone, I don't think he has the name recognition to beat DeWine, like Renacci.

I started out rooting for Gibbons, but I want to make sure we have the best guy out of the 'what we have to offer', to beat the Lefts choice.

I also haven't seen one Blystone commercial on TV..
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 7:16:11 AM EDT
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I'm taking my 17 yo son to the polls with me, he will be 18 before Nov. so is eligible to vote in primary. He is registered.
Not sure if he gets a different ballot or can vote on tax issues, anyone know?

I going with Pukita and Blystone, need to do a little more research today on the other offices.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 8:09:24 AM EDT
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I was for Gibbons, but maybe Dolan?
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 8:59:28 AM EDT
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Gibbons is an A on the 2nd, where as Dolan is a B...
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 11:21:00 AM EDT
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Dolan is a "C" per the BFA. I assume in his case it's based on his actual record whereas Gibbons answered the questions correctly.

ETA:Went and did my duty. I'll pleasantly shocked if Dewine doesn't win the primary.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 1:20:46 PM EDT
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Today is the day!   ...go out and make your picks, and let's see what happens!!!

Link Posted: 5/3/2022 1:41:55 PM EDT
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Just received a Robo Call from President Trump endorsing JD Vance...and for whatever reason, I listened to the whole thing. Man, I miss him..

Anyway, I think I'm going with Blystone and Vance, but if Dewine is on the ticket in Nov, no way in hell will I cast my vote for that shitbag again.
I'll have to live with 4yrs of Nan as Gov...
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 2:00:40 PM EDT
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I voted in the Democrat primary on Saturday.  Having Nan as mayor was bad enough, so I voted for Cranley to try and keep her out.  She's Dayton's version of Lori Lightfoot, and has no business being anywhere close to the governor's office.  The amount of damage she did to the Dayton Police Department will take years to fix.   Realistically, I'm voting for whoever the R candidate is anyway.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 2:44:14 PM EDT
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I'm going with Blystone and Pukita.

Not sure who to vote for in the 14th congressional district. Joyce is an establishment hack, and neither of his two competitors impress me much.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 3:09:29 PM EDT
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Whew!  What a nose pincher!  No clear good choices other the “NO” on all the tax issues.
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Whew!  What a nose pincher!  No clear good choices other the "NO" on all the tax issues.
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well said
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 5:31:21 PM EDT
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Went with Blystone and Vance...
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 6:35:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DaveyDug:
I'm going with Blystone and Pukita.

Not sure who to vote for in the 14th congressional district. Joyce is an establishment hack, and neither of his two competitors impress me much.
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Same here.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 7:03:21 PM EDT
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Blystone & Pukita.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 8:02:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/3/2022 8:07:58 PM EDT
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Dewine vs Whaley

Ryan vs too close to call right now between Vance, Mandel, or Dolan
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 8:28:18 PM EDT
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How did Dewine get that many votes after the Covid BS and Amy Acton. Who are these people that want more of the same?
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How did Dewine get that many votes after the Covid BS and Amy Acton. Who are these people that want more of the same?
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I have no idea… People like my father. He’s a “Republican” who still watches the evening news religiously, is comfortably retired, and completely disconnected to the real world at this point.

He gave money to DeWine, Cheney, and Kinzinger.

I feel like Ohio is full of that type of “Republican.”
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I have no idea… People like my father. He’s a “Republican” who still watches the evening news religiously, is comfortably retired, and completely disconnected to the real world at this point.

He gave money to DeWine, Cheney, and Kinzinger.

I feel like Ohio is full of that type of “Republican.”
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yep
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:


I have no idea… People like my father. He’s a “Republican” who still watches the evening news religiously, is comfortably retired, and completely disconnected to the real world at this point.

He gave money to DeWine, Cheney, and Kinzinger.

I feel like Ohio is full of that type of “Republican.”
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My Dad will be 89 tomorrow, listens to WLW constantly and cusses liberals constantly. He calls everything he hates a liberal. Starlings = Black Ass liberals. Then he blasts them with his 870.  No exaggeration.
My Dad retired 27 years ago from 32 years at Post Office + 4 years of Navy.
He is Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino in real life.
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Dewine vs Whaley

Ryan vs too close to call right now between Vance, Mandel, or Dolan
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Vance starting to pull away.
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My Dad will be 89 tomorrow, listens to WLW constantly and cusses liberals constantly. He calls everything he hates a liberal. Starlings = Black Ass liberals. Then he blasts them with his 870.  No exaggeration.
My Dad retired 27 years ago from 32 years at Post Office + 4 years of Navy.
He is Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino in real life.
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Originally Posted By AR_Dale:
Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:


I have no idea… People like my father. He’s a “Republican” who still watches the evening news religiously, is comfortably retired, and completely disconnected to the real world at this point.

He gave money to DeWine, Cheney, and Kinzinger.

I feel like Ohio is full of that type of “Republican.”


My Dad will be 89 tomorrow, listens to WLW constantly and cusses liberals constantly. He calls everything he hates a liberal. Starlings = Black Ass liberals. Then he blasts them with his 870.  No exaggeration.
My Dad retired 27 years ago from 32 years at Post Office + 4 years of Navy.
He is Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino in real life.



Your dad sounds pretty cool. Tell him happy birthday from me.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 9:26:56 PM EDT
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only about 1/3 of precincts reporting as of 9:26 PM...

https://liveresults.ohiosos.gov/
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 9:32:30 PM EDT
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Not sure how David Joyce got endorsed. He's got one of the most liberal voting records of all Republican members of Congress.
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Originally Posted By FreedomSoul:
Not sure how David Joyce got endorsed. He's got one of the most liberal voting records of all Republican members of Congress.


BFA endorsements are based on RKBA related issues only, nothing else.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 9:40:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:

I have no idea… People like my father. He’s a “Republican” who still watches the evening news religiously, is comfortably retired, and completely disconnected to the real world at this point.

He gave money to DeWine, Cheney, and Kinzinger.

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Ohio has open primaries.  You're asked when you vote in a primary which ballot you want, Republican or Democrat.  There's nothing stopping a Democrat true believer from voting for the RINO candidate in the Republican primary.
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 10:08:19 PM EDT
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...about 3/4 of precincts reporting statewide as of 10 PM....

Rs appear to be crushing Ds in terms of raw turnout...
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...about 3/4 of precincts reporting statewide as of 10 PM....

Rs appear to be crushing Ds in terms of raw turnout...
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Always the way in anything but Presidential elections..
Link Posted: 5/3/2022 10:27:02 PM EDT
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