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Posted: 12/1/2018 3:51:31 PM EDT
http://www.news9.com/story/39569665/state-lawmakers-giving-constitutional-carry-another-shot

Rs still hold majorities in the house and senate, and Stitt has said he would sign it if it made it to his desk.

Need to start getting on our Reps now to make sure it gets there.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 12:10:35 AM EDT
[#1]
Bear with me here, this could get long.

CliffsNotes: people need to know the rules and the consequences of their actions.

So I'm working when a female former employee still connected to the business burst in in a dither.

"They tried to break in!"

She had been across the street at our warehouse and someone tried to open the side overhead door, it raised maybe 1/2 inch before the lock stopped it.
She confronted the 3 homeless people and they scattered.
She then secured the front door, drove across the street, entered the building I'm in, retrieved a (not mine!) 9MM and delivered the above exclamation.

"Are you going with me?"
(me) Where?
"Back over there!"
Why?
"They might still be there!"
What are you going to do if they are?
"I'm going to shoot them!"
You can't shoot someone for something they almost did 10 minutes ago.
"Well, I'm going! are you coming or not?"
Just a minute (Me walking back to my toolbox).
"are you getting a gun?" (she doesn't know I CC, concealed is concealed).
No, I'm getting something that can have 20 guns here in 2 minutes, my phone.

Off she goes on foot with me probably 30 feet behind, waving the pistol around like it's a baton and she's in a parade.
I catch up to her as she hits the main street we have to cross.

(me) Quit waving that thing around (to her back as she sprints across the street).

Catch up to her again at the warehouse.

"I'll go this way, you go around that way."
Give me your pistol.
"Why"
Just do it.
"Why"
You drove across the street, retrieved a pistol, asked for help and returned to scene to kill someone that almost committed a crime, maybe.
That's First Degree Murder, you're going to ride the needle.
"But they were trying to break in"
Give me the pistol, you go around making noise and flush them to me. (yeah, right)

Well that ended that, they were LONG gone.

She had NO idea under what circumstances she could use a firearm .
She's not stupid, she's just never been told.
She sees news stories and hears buzzwords like "Stand your Ground", "Make My Day" and reality hasn't smacked her upside de haid.
I don't have the answer but somehow people need to learn the absolute basics about carrying a firearm, including being responsible for anything your bullet does after it leaves your firearm.
Basics, things we take for granted.
Don't wave that around, don't point that at me.
Constitutional Carry would be a good thing, if everyone Carrying knew the  Rules.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 8:23:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 9:01:47 PM EDT
[#3]
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Bear with me here, this could get long.

CliffsNotes: people need to know the rules and the consequences of their actions.

So I'm working when a female former employee still connected to the business burst in in a dither.

"They tried to break in!"

She had been across the street at our warehouse and someone tried to open the side overhead door, it raised maybe 1/2 inch before the lock stopped it.
She confronted the 3 homeless people and they scattered.
She then secured the front door, drove across the street, entered the building I'm in, retrieved a (not mine!) 9MM and delivered the above exclamation.

"Are you going with me?"
(me) Where?
"Back over there!"
Why?
"They might still be there!"
What are you going to do if they are?
"I'm going to shoot them!"
You can't shoot someone for something they almost did 10 minutes ago.
"Well, I'm going! are you coming or not?"
Just a minute (Me walking back to my toolbox).
"are you getting a gun?" (she doesn't know I CC, concealed is concealed).
No, I'm getting something that can have 20 guns here in 2 minutes, my phone.

Off she goes on foot with me probably 30 feet behind, waving the pistol around like it's a baton and she's in a parade.
I catch up to her as she hits the main street we have to cross.

(me) Quit waving that thing around (to her back as she sprints across the street).

Catch up to her again at the warehouse.

"I'll go this way, you go around that way."
Give me your pistol.
"Why"
Just do it.
"Why"
You drove across the street, retrieved a pistol, asked for help and returned to scene to kill someone that almost committed a crime, maybe.
That's First Degree Murder, you're going to ride the needle.
"But they were trying to break in"
Give me the pistol, you go around making noise and flush them to me. (yeah, right)

Well that ended that, they were LONG gone.

She had NO idea under what circumstances she could use a firearm .
She's not stupid, she's just never been told.
She sees news stories and hears buzzwords like "Stand your Ground", "Make My Day" and reality hasn't smacked her upside de haid.
I don't have the answer but somehow people need to learn the absolute basics about carrying a firearm, including being responsible for anything your bullet does after it leaves your firearm.
Basics, things we take for granted.
Don't wave that around, don't point that at me.
Constitutional Carry would be a good thing, if everyone Carrying knew the  Rules.
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People do dumb things even with training, see Jerome Ersland.

And it’s a pretty poor basis to block Constitutional Carry.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 9:03:06 PM EDT
[#4]
20 guns in under 2 minutes? You all must have some rapid response team.

What's the hold up down there? I thought that was a red state?
Link Posted: 12/5/2018 2:06:59 AM EDT
[#5]
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20 guns in under 2 minutes? You all must have some rapid response team.

What's the hold up down there? I thought that was a red state?
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We got fucked by our red Governor, Mary Failin.
Link Posted: 12/5/2018 7:50:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Link Posted: 12/8/2018 10:34:16 AM EDT
[#7]
In hectic or emergency situations people tend to follow their emotions instead of thinking before acting. I was in emergency services in one form or another for thirty years and there was never a shortage of a victim, witness or bystander telling us what to do and how to do our job.
Link Posted: 1/6/2019 12:24:16 AM EDT
[#8]
Fudds will be working hard with the lefties to stop that.
Link Posted: 2/7/2019 10:02:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Link Posted: 2/9/2019 5:30:47 PM EDT
[#10]
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I hope you all get this signed in to law!
Link Posted: 2/10/2019 11:16:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Constitutional Carry HB2597 is scheduled to be voted on in the house on Wednesday the 13th.

Please call and Email your house reps.

These 17 are most critical.
If contacting by email please put  “YES on HB2597" in the Subject line.

[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];

Rep. Jeff Boatman 405-557-7341

Rep. Carol Bush 405-557-7359

Rep. Trey Caldwell 405-557-7307

Rep. Sherrie Conley 405-557-7308

Rep. Darrell Fincher 405-557-7358

Rep. Jim Greco 405-557-7381

Rep. David Hardin 405-557-7394

Rep. Ronny Johns 405-557-7336

Rep. Ken Lutrell 405-557-7355

Rep. Robert Manger  405-557-7395

Rep. Nicole Miller 405-557-7357

Rep. Daniel Pae 405-557-7374

Rep. Chris Sneed 405-557-7310

Rep. Marilyn Stark 405-557-7403

Rep. Judd Strom 405-557-7402

Rep. John Talley 405-557-7304

Rep. Rande Worthen  405-557-7398
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 10:43:19 AM EDT
[#12]
So if it passes through the House it goes to the Gov or Senate?
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 10:53:32 AM EDT
[#13]
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House Floor
Senate Committee
Senate Floor
Stitt’s desk
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 10:59:51 AM EDT
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House Floor
Senate Committee
Senate Floor
Stitt’s desk
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So if it passes through the House it goes to the Gov or Senate?
House Floor
Senate Committee
Senate Floor
Stitt’s desk
Thanks
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 3:31:33 PM EDT
[#15]
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We got fucked by our red Governor, Mary Failin.
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20 guns in under 2 minutes? You all must have some rapid response team.

What's the hold up down there? I thought that was a red state?
We got fucked by our red Governor, Mary Failin.
Fallin was about as dense as a box of rocks. Good riddance, how she stayed in politics as long as she did is beyond me.
Link Posted: 2/13/2019 6:28:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Passed 70 to 30, on to the senate.
Link Posted: 2/13/2019 7:17:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Keep it going OK  
Link Posted: 2/19/2019 1:16:36 PM EDT
[#18]
So it's passed both house and Senate? Just governor signature required?
Link Posted: 2/19/2019 2:27:29 PM EDT
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It’s awaiting approval in Senate appropriations committee.
Should be voted on tomorrow.
Link Posted: 2/19/2019 2:31:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/19/2019 3:37:29 PM EDT
[#21]
Headline yesterday said the Senate amended it to a degree at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce to specifically  ban Open Cary in "High Impact Sports Events" and others, like schools. The Chamber stated fears that sanctioning bodies like the NCAA would not hold events like the Big 12 Tournament etc. here as it was.

Does this mean the amended bill has to go back to the House for re-approval?
Link Posted: 2/19/2019 11:31:55 PM EDT
[#22]
If the senate amended the house bill, then yes. If the house approves the amended bill, I think it would go to Stitt at that point.
Link Posted: 2/20/2019 10:43:07 AM EDT
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Headline yesterday said the Senate amended it to a degree at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce to specifically  ban Open Cary in "High Impact Sports Events" and others, like schools. The Chamber stated fears that sanctioning bodies like the NCAA would not hold events like the Big 12 Tournament etc. here as it was.
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That's not unreasonable. I can live with that
Link Posted: 2/23/2019 1:50:30 PM EDT
[#24]
How's this going? I see the amendment, reasonable. I like open carry ability, but you're not gonna see me doing it in public, just seems like an unnecessary attention getter.
Link Posted: 2/23/2019 10:30:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Goes to the Senate floor on Wednesday.
Governor Stitt reaffirmed his intent to sign it into law a couple weeks ago.
Link Posted: 2/24/2019 10:12:45 PM EDT
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Goes to the Senate floor on Wednesday.
Governor Stitt reaffirmed his intent to sign it into law a couple weeks ago.
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That's awesome!
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 9:59:22 AM EDT
[#27]
OK2A is really confident in it passing. . .and being signed at 5pm today.
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 1:42:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Do we know what time the vote is scheduled for?
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 3:20:58 PM EDT
[#29]
It's first on the docket, and session starts at 130pm
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 3:30:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Good Luck Oklahomans!
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 4:09:54 PM EDT
[#31]
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 4:24:53 PM EDT
[#32]
And it passed!
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 5:35:39 PM EDT
[#33]
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 8:36:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 2:59:43 AM EDT
[#35]
Any details about the new law?

Mainly is this just for open carry or both open and concealed carry?
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 10:31:46 PM EDT
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Any details about the new law?

Mainly is this just for open carry or both open and concealed carry?
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both.
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