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Posted: 2/16/2018 10:18:12 AM EDT
"If you're an elected official, and you want to keep things the way they are, and not do things differently, if you want to keep the gun laws as they are now, you will not get re-elected in Broward County,”
Florida sheriff Scott Israel says lawmakers 'won't get re-elected' if they don't push for gun control |
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Nothing new, I remember posting his campaign flyer when he was running and it had some anti assault weapons crap on it.
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Am I wrong?? The sheriff's accent seems to be from New York/ New England area. Is this guy a New York implant? That would explain his beliefs.
South Florida is not, and hasn't been part of the south for a long time. Sorry sheriff, I'll take responsibility for my family's safety. I have no need for your dept. showing up after the fact to help us. I don't spend much time in south Florida, but know this, I wouldn't enter your AO without being armed whether you like it or not!!! |
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What scared me more than his anti-gun rhetoric, was his stand on involuntary commitment.
He stated that he wanted more authority (as a sheriff) to detain someone and transport them to a mental health care facility for involuntary evaluation, based upon a Facebook post that includes guns. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-florida-shooting-calls-power-detain-over-social-media-n848486 I don't know where he was born and raised but he graduated from Cortland State University of New York. I speculate that he was a resident of the state of NY. |
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Palm Beach, Broward & Dade Counties have been so over run by idiot progressive transplants from NY/NJ that the sheriff is the least of the problem.
The voting public (some seasonal ones love to brag about voting in 2 states) are the real issue. Florida walks a tightrope on turning to a blue state, despite most counties being red. The major population areas are already blue and election results show just how close to the tipping point we are. |
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Living in New Jersey I warn you folks in Florida, beware of the northeast f...ing liberals!
They will transform a great state into a liberal shit hole. My son lives in Fla., and he always warns me about living in a police state. Stand your ground and do not accept the BS being spouted by folks like Sheriff Scott Israel! |
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Sheriff Israel is desperately trying to cover his ass. This happened on HIS watch. Local law enforcement and local mental health folks and the schools all knew about this shooter. They did NOTHING.
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Palm Beach, Broward & Dade Counties have been so over run by idiot progressive transplants from NY/NJ that the sheriff is the least of the problem. The voting public (some seasonal ones love to brag about voting in 2 states) are the real issue. Florida walks a tightrope on turning to a blue state, despite most counties being red. The major population areas are already blue and election results show just how close to the tipping point we are. View Quote This makes 2 major incidents in Florida. Which is not good for us. However I think this time around more is coming out how the government & people could have stopped this mess before it happened & that failed miserable. |
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What scared me more than his anti-gun rhetoric, was his stand on involuntary commitment. He stated that he wanted more authority (as a sheriff) to detain someone and transport them to a mental health care facility for involuntary evaluation, based upon a Facebook post that includes guns. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-florida-shooting-calls-power-detain-over-social-media-n848486 I don't know where he was born and raised but he graduated from Cortland State University of New York. I speculate that he was a resident of the state of NY. View Quote It's a damn shame the job I really love is here. At this point, I'm wouldn't mind getting back to Alabama . . . maybe they'd let me work remotely. As it is, Scott Israel seems to not like people like me (i.e. - white collar professionals with lots of earning potential and an interest in the ballistic arts and self defense) aren't welcome and I'm willing to oblige him and take my tax dollars back to 'Bama. Good luck to him. |
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I grew up in Broward and moved away when Ken Jenne was still sheriff. This guy seems like a complete tool! I noticed on all his press conference he keeps name dropping and praising Dem lawmakers
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Living in New Jersey I warn you folks in Florida, beware of the northeast f...ing liberals! They will transform a great state into a liberal shit hole. My son lives in Fla., and he always warns me about living in a police state. Stand your ground and do not accept the BS being spouted by folks like Sheriff Scott Israel! View Quote |
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What scared me more than his anti-gun rhetoric, was his stand on involuntary commitment. He stated that he wanted more authority (as a sheriff) to detain someone and transport them to a mental health care facility for involuntary evaluation, based upon a Facebook post that includes guns. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-florida-shooting-calls-power-detain-over-social-media-n848486 I don't know where he was born and raised but he graduated from Cortland State University of New York. I speculate that he was a resident of the state of NY. View Quote Find |
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Living in New Jersey I warn you folks in Florida, beware of the northeast f...ing liberals! They will transform a great state into a liberal shit hole. My son lives in Fla., and he always warns me about living in a police state. Stand your ground and do not accept the BS being spouted by folks like Sheriff Scott Israel! View Quote Politically (and people) it's almost two different states... |
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More like another political hack with dumb ass ideas for running for a political office instead of a law enforcement position.
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I find it comical that Gov. Scott hasn't ask Israel to step down as well.
39>2 |
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It's my understanding that The Broward County Sheriff's Dept. responded 39 times since 2009 to domestic disturbance calls related to the murderer and yet he wasn't Baker Acted.
To cover their asses they did Baker Act the killer's brother just the other day. |
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One domestic violence conviction would have kept this guy from legally buying that evil AR15. That might not have changed much because crazy people do crazy things, but it would have given the anti-gun talking-heads less to talk about.
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I'm beginning to think the general consensus within the LEO community it that if they just let these hot heads simmer without action, they'll do their bidding and help push the agenda they are all after.
Why else would the local LEO and the FBI fail to act on multiple tips that he was unstable? "The ends justifies the means" to the left after all... |
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I'm beginning to think the general consensus within the LEO community it that if they just let these hot heads simmer without action, they'll do their bidding and help push the agenda they are all after. Why else would the local LEO and the FBI fail to act on multiple tips that he was unstable? "The ends justifies the means" to the left after all... View Quote Even the deputies of alachua county, led by lib sheriff, would have put foot to ass to this dude... |
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It's my understanding that The Broward County Sheriff's Dept. responded 39 times since 2009 to domestic disturbance calls related to the murderer and yet he wasn't Baker Acted. To cover their asses they did Baker Act the killer's brother just the other day. View Quote IMO the solution lies with going back to incarcerating people who, by cause of mental illness, exhibit dangerous behavior... whether it be via communicated threat (including ominous posts on social media) or actual deed, go back to physical control as a measure to make the public safe. 1st Amendment restriction you say? Bet your ass... our society is WAY divided on the 2nd Amendment as a solution but I don't think so regarding the 1st in this issue of posting creepy shit on social media. Bottom line... you make yourself stand out by your own words and deeds, screw you. |
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I'm beginning to think the general consensus within the LEO community it that if they just let these hot heads simmer without action, they'll do their bidding and help push the agenda they are all after. Why else would the local LEO and the FBI fail to act on multiple tips that he was unstable? "The ends justifies the means" to the left after all... View Quote I have no idea what LEO's you've been around to get such an idea. Read my post above... my hands are tied, as are other LEO's, concerning this issue. The LE community is not out to do a damn thing despite what you are beginning to think. Sheriff's and Chiefs of Police do not speak for the field force. They are politicians who are in many cases out of touch with the very streets they are charged with protecting. There are plenty of videos from news conferences where Sheriff's and Chief of Police denounce gun control as an effective measure. |
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Quoted: BA's are useless... I know a couple folks in my AO that if they were to do something bad, I'd be like "yep, figured he would do some shit like that"... I almost had to kill a guy who hacked up his father... the result, a BA... he's out milling around in public to this day. IMO the solution lies with going back to incarcerating people who, by cause of mental illness, exhibit dangerous behavior... whether it be via communicated threat (including ominous posts on social media) or actual deed, go back to physical control as a measure to make the public safe. 1st Amendment restriction you say? Bet your ass... our society is WAY divided on the 2nd Amendment as a solution but I don't think so regarding the 1st in this issue of posting creepy shit on social media. Bottom line... you make yourself stand out by your own words and deeds, screw you. View Quote 39 domestic disturbance calls to his address due to his behavior; the Broward County Sheriff's Department screwed the pooch. PBSO covered their asses and just Baker Acted his brother. |
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Quoted: Had the killer been Baker Acted as he should have been, he wouldn't have been able to walk into Sunrise Tactical, pass his background check, and legally buy the murder weapon, which is exactly what he did. 39 domestic disturbance calls to his address due to his behavior; the Broward County Sheriff's Department screwed the pooch. PBSO covered their asses and just Baker Acted his brother. View Quote A BA would have done nothing so long as he was released afterwards, which is par for the course and consistent with what I see on the streets. My point is despite a BA the person is free to mix among us upon release, which in many cases is 72 hours or less... thus they pose a continued threat... plenty of sources for firearms and/or other lethal options besides Sunrise Tactical... Don't sound like those who insist one action or another could have prevented this or like occurrences... the only sure way is to put dangerous folks on lock down, something we no longer do. Remember... a dangerous person is dangerous, period... before they become a criminally insane committed person or criminal... by then, the damage is done no? Don't spar with me on this one my friend... I have first hand experience dealing with dangerous fucks who have no business walking around in public... yet there they are. Can't speak for BCSO and this situation as I don't know the details of the 39 calls and/or what offenses were or were not committed to the point of legitimate LE action... neither do you. To further prove my point, I've been to the same residence many times and have been completely USELESS to act based on LAW, you know, that thing that allows me to actually DO SOMETHING. So the numbers (39 times), while shocking to the uneducated appear high, it really does not mean that much without articulable specifics of each call. Your turn... |
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A BA in and of itself does not flag a person... they are only flagged when a Judge deems the person mentally incompetent... and only then would a check stop a purchase. A BA would have done nothing so long as he was released afterwards, which is par for the course and consistent with what I see on the streets. My point is despite a BA the person is free to mix among us upon release, which in many cases is 72 hours or less... thus they pose a continued threat... plenty of sources for firearms and/or other lethal options besides Sunrise Tactical... Don't sound like those who insist one action or another could have prevented this or like occurrences... the only sure way is to put dangerous folks on lock down, Quoted: A BA in and of itself does not flag a person... they are only flagged when a Judge deems the person mentally incompetent... and only then would a check stop a purchase. A BA would have done nothing so long as he was released afterwards, which is par for the course and consistent with what I see on the streets. My point is despite a BA the person is free to mix among us upon release, which in many cases is 72 hours or less... thus they pose a continued threat... plenty of sources for firearms and/or other lethal options besides Sunrise Tactical... Don't sound like those who insist one action or another could have prevented this or like occurrences... the only sure way is to put dangerous folks on lock down, something we no longer do. Remember... a dangerous person is dangerous, period... before they become a criminally insane committed person or criminal... by then, the damage is done no? Don't spar with me on this one my friend... I have first hand experience dealing with dangerous fucks who have no business walking around in public... yet there they are. Can't speak for BCSO and this situation as I don't know the details of the 39 calls and/or what offenses were or were not committed to the point of legitimate LE action... neither do you. To further prove my point, I've been to the same residence many times and have been completely USELESS to act based on LAW, you know, that thing that allows me to actually DO SOMETHING. So the numbers (39 times), while shocking to the uneducated appear high, it really does not mean that much without articulable specifics of each call. Your turn... View Quote "Incredibly", right after the murders, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office managed to Baker Act the killer's brother; amazing isn't it? The FBI and local law enforcement dropped the ball. Try to paper it over any way you choose. |
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Quoted: A BA in and of itself does not flag a person... they are only flagged when a Judge deems the person mentally incompetent... and only then would a check stop a purchase. A BA would have done nothing so long as he was released afterwards, which is par for the course and consistent with what I see on the streets. My point is despite a BA the person is free to mix among us upon release, which in many cases is 72 hours or less... thus they pose a continued threat... plenty of sources for firearms and/or other lethal options besides Sunrise Tactical... Don't sound like those who insist one action or another could have prevented this or like occurrences... the only sure way is to put dangerous folks on lock down, The arrogant nature of your response notwithstanding; had the killer been Baker Acted he may well have been adjudicated after 39 domestic violence calls, but nothing was done. "Incredibly", right after the murders, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office managed to Baker Act the killer's brother; amazing isn't it? The FBI and local law enforcement dropped the ball. Try to paper it over any way you choose. View Quote |
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If the counties hold either a monster truck rally or demo Derby on election nights and have voting booths just past the ticket gate you'd see way more turn out on election night. Lol i may be new full time to Florida but i can see that most of my fellow Hernando residents sleep all day long because every time you see them they still have the pajamas on and the bed head. Don't don't for a second that they would side with us but just to dam lazy to do it.
Also if the school had been even the slightest bit secure this would have gone plenty different. Liberals want to ban guns for the children yet won't secure schools for the children. There is a reason why churches have become the new target. Everyone is allowed in the doors. Why isn't anyone connecting the dots to the use of social media and suicide rates. Social media has killed more kids since 2010 then any ar15 operated by a mental case ever did. |
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I know a lot of people don’t care for Sheriff Grady Judd from Polk County but I just watch an interview he did yesterday and he discusses the very issue I did reference the problems in the current BA law.
BA law is misunderstood by many, including LEO’s. Under current legal direction from the state, we can’t currently take firearms even in connection to a BA. I will assume for now BCSO simply lacked the legal standing to act during those 39 calls... until other creditable information proves otherwise. |
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I'm not jumping on the bandwagon blaming either the FBI or the BCSO for this tragedy. The real blame goes to Cruz!!
This situation is a prime example that LEO's can't protect us everyday in every place. It's easy in hindsight to put the pieces together. I don't know the details, and I doubt anyone else here does either, of the incidents prior to the shooting. Yea, the whole situation needs to be investigated so as to provide better protection in the future. Blaming the tool used gets us nowhere. What can we do to stop this going forward? How about hardening the schools. Perimeter fencing, hard exterior entry points, hardened class rooms, armed well trained security or staff, surveillance cams and alarms, uniforms so as to make an outsider stand out, etc. That's the easy part. The breakdown of society and the family are going to be a whole lot harder to fix. Read the Florida teacher of the year post, she made some very good points. Mental health needs to be addressed, I'm not qualified to answer that one. One thing is certain, trading liberty for security only gets us less of both. So I draw the line there. NO, I'M NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP LIBERTY AS ANY PART OF ANY SOLUTION!! Damn, these things keep happening in gun free zones!!! Does anyone here think Cruz would have tried this shit knowing he was entering a zone that would have put him down quick, fast and in a hurry? How about a secure facility with little chance of making it in. I doubt it!! Unfortunately, a lot of kids are growing up not knowing moral values, good discipline, opportunity, held to high standards, etc. To many adults are to blame for this, and it doesn't look to get any better soon. |
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interesting if valid: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/broward-county-sheriff-accused-affair-17-year-old-girl-forcing-get-abortion/ View Quote |
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We don't need guns because "The police will protect us".
I'm not posting excerpts, read the articles. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parkland-shooting-armed-school-resource-officer-never-went-school-during-n850441 |
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We don't need guns because "The police will protect us". http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html View Quote Warren v. District of Columbia |
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It's now come out that the actual entry was not even made by Broward County Deputies, but rather by officers of the Coral Springs PD, 130 of whom arrived at the scene.
Sheriff Israel should be held to account, but he'll be shielded by the Democrats and the liberal media. |
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No one can defend a COWARD .
No one in LE can defend such action... current AS training specifically trains for a one-man response. Quite shameful... I'll be meeting with my SRO Supervisor TODAY. |
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As I was saying before I was so snidely chastized; the Broward Sheriff's Department was outrageously remiss in the entire matter from A to Z.
The more information that leaks out; the more incompetent and inept Sheriff Scott Israel’s department is revealed to be; he's a disgrace and needs to step down along with some of his supervisory staff, but of course, he will not and continue to deflect blame towards the 2nd amendment. Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering school When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school. With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building. Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived................" Read the rest here: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html |
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As I was saying before I was so snidely chastized; the Broward Sheriff's Department was outrageously remiss in the entire matter from A to Z. The more information that leaks out; the more incompetent and inept Sheriff Scott Israel's department is revealed to be; he's a disgrace and needs to step down along with some of his supervisory staff, but of course, he will not and continue to deflect blame towards the 2nd amendment. Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering school When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school. With direction from the Broward deputies who were outside, Coral Springs police soon entered the building where the shooter was. New Broward County Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene, and two of those deputies and an officer from Sunrise, Florida, joined the Coral Springs police as they went into the building. Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived................" Read the rest here: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html View Quote Some aggressively disagreed. Tough to disagree now, looks like blatant and unforgivable cowardice to me. |
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Regarding its law enforcement capabilities Scott Israel built an inept Sheriff's Department, but he created a well run political machine.
It's unfortunate that none of the extraordinarily damning information came to public light until after Scott Israel’s sleazy anti gun performance on CNN's "town center". It's sort of "strange" that it wasn't available at that time. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sheriff-political-hires-20160827-story.html |
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