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[#1]
Quoted:In this case, under 1639, you waive your right to privacy to purchase a semi auto rifle.
The state doesn't have access until you volunteer the info, by waiving your rights in order to exercise another right. View Quote |
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[#2]
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In this case, under 1639, you waive your right to privacy to purchase a semi auto rifle. The state doesn't have access until you volunteer the info, by waiving your rights in order to exercise another right. View Quote |
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[#3]
Quoted: And that's why there is good standing to have this struck down as unconstitutional even with our current courts. Because it's unconstitutional to have to waive rights to exercise a right. Our state Constitution prevents this. I am surprised that Gottlieb doesn't have a court challenge ready to go once everything is certified. View Quote |
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[#4]
Curious about the storage portion. If I'm reading it correctly, all firearms needs to be locked up, one way or another. Does this including clearing the weapon so it's "unloaded"? If so, what is "unloaded"? Nothing in the chamber? Or no magazine inserted? Or what?
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[#5]
One wonders if the state can access federal VA records under this new b.s..
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[#6]
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Thank you for the clarification, I took it out of context thinking he was referring to current, not future law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Thank you for the clarification, I took it out of context thinking he was referring to current, not future law. Quoted:
1639 REQUIRES you to WAIVE HIPAA FOR LIFE. Once you purchase a pistol or "semi-automatic assault weapon" you are in the system. FOR LIFE. Annual license to "Posess FIREARMS". Not a guess, I read the thing. It's what we've been discussing for months. Waiving Medical Confidentiality/HIPPA: From Section 7 on Page 12: Waiver of Medical Record Confidentiality: "A signed application to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the health care authority, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities release, to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency, information relevant to the applicant's eligibility to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency." Establishing an Annual License to Possess: From Section 15 on Page 23: bullet point A creates the requirement for an annual background check NEW SECTION. Sec. 15. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW to read as follows: (1) Within twelve months of the effective date of this section, the department of licensing shall, in conjunction with the Washington state patrol and other state and local law enforcement agencies as necessary, develop a cost-effective and efficient process to: (a) Verify, on an ANNUAL or MORE FREQUENT BASIS , that persons who acquired pistols or semiautomatic assault rifles pursuant to this chapter remain eligible to possess a firearm under state and federal law; and ANY State Agency has access to you Medical Records: Also this - Sec. 8. RCW 9.41.097 and 2018 c 201 s 6005 are each amended to read as follows: (1) The health care authority, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities shall, upon request of a court, ((or)) law enforcement agency, or the state, supply such relevant information as is necessary to determine the eligibility of a person to possess a ((pistol)) firearm or to be issued a concealed pistol license under RCW 9.41.070 or to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle under RCW 9.41.090. (2) Mental health information received by: (a) The department of licensing pursuant to RCW 9.41.047 or 9.41.173; (b) an issuing authority pursuant to RCW 9.41.047 or 9.41.070; (c) a chief of police or sheriff pursuant to RCW 9.41.090 or 9.41.173; (d) a court or law enforcement agency pursuant to subsection (1) of this section; or (e) the state pursuant to RCW 9.41.090, shall not be disclosed except as provided in RCW 42.56.240(4). This is why we lose. WAHTF should be the premier RKBA forum in the state. Instead we have equal effort going into choosing which state we run to. |
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[#7]
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One wonders if the state can access federal VA records under this new b.s.. View Quote |
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[#8]
Quoted: Remember the Sutherland Springs church shooting? A lot of attention got placed on the shooter, whose service record "should have" prevented him from owning a firearm. So, yes, if The State cannot get your records now I anticipate they will get them later. View Quote |
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[#9]
Quoted:Instead we have equal effort going into choosing which state we run to. View Quote Washington has a lot of issues. Blaming reasonable conservatives isn't going to get you anywhere. Either way, I'm a Texan now, so good luck to you in your righteous battle for 2A Rights. I will cheer your victories and mourn your losses from afar. |
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[#10]
TNC,
you must be a liberal You attack those, wanting to move from CALI NORTH, to live a better life. Well, You stay, lose your guns and your dignity. Myself, I choose to move and be Free. Is this not a Free Country? It's easier for You, To just stay and take it up the ass. It's harder for someone, like me, To pack up my whole life and move. But, Worth it all! In the end, I will have my Dignity and my Guns. You Will Not. Quoted: This is why we lose. People quick to hoist the bullshit flag because of their own assumptions. Then we have to divert our efforts to convince our own people, who should be reading and educating others. This is why we lose. WAHTF should be the premier RKBA forum in the state. Instead we have equal effort going into choosing which state we run to. View Quote |
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[#11]
Quoted:
TNC, you must be a liberal You attack those, wanting to move from CALI NORTH, to live a better life. Well, You stay, lose your guns and your dignity. Myself, I choose to move and be Free. Is this not a Free Country? It's easier for You, To just stay and take it up the ass. It's harder for someone, like me, To pack up my whole life and move. But, Worth it all! In the end, I will have my Dignity and my Guns. You Will Not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
TNC, you must be a liberal You attack those, wanting to move from CALI NORTH, to live a better life. Well, You stay, lose your guns and your dignity. Myself, I choose to move and be Free. Is this not a Free Country? It's easier for You, To just stay and take it up the ass. It's harder for someone, like me, To pack up my whole life and move. But, Worth it all! In the end, I will have my Dignity and my Guns. You Will Not. Quoted: This is why we lose. People quick to hoist the bullshit flag because of their own assumptions. Then we have to divert our efforts to convince our own people, who should be reading and educating others. This is why we lose. WAHTF should be the premier RKBA forum in the state. Instead we have equal effort going into choosing which state we run to. |
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[#12]
Quoted:
TNC, you must be a liberal You attack those, wanting to move from CALI NORTH, to live a better life. Well, You stay, lose your guns and your dignity. Myself, I choose to move and be Free. Is this not a Free Country? It's easier for You, To just stay and take it up the ass. It's harder for someone, like me, To pack up my whole life and move. But, Worth it all! In the end, I will have my Dignity and my Guns. You Will Not. View Quote When they came for the ARs, I stood silently. When they came for handguns, I stood silently. When they came for my bolt action Fudd gun, there was no one left to stand for me. Run away, you're a fool if you don't think this shit will follow you. |
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[#13]
And so it begins, just as planned...with more to follow...
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/washington-gun-shop-changing-inventory-after-voters-pass-i-1639/281-612370549 |
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[#14]
Now that democrats control both houses and the governor, the only thing that will save WA is a 9.0 earthquake.
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[#16]
Can someone help a moron like me understand the definition of "impaired" below?
"Washington Constitution Article I, Section 24 The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men." Denying an 18 year old that is legally defined as an adult is being impaired from owning a firearm. Period the end. |
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[#17]
Well,
You stay in Cali North. Get ready to turn in all your shit. Good for you. Quoted: when the came for the bumpstocks, I stood silently. When they came for the ARs, I stood silently. When they came for handguns, I stood silently. When they came for my bolt action Fudd gun, there was no one left to stand for me. Run away, you're a fool if you don't think this shit will follow you. View Quote |
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[#18]
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Can someone help a moron like me understand the definition of "impaired" below? "Washington Constitution Article I, Section 24 The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men." Denying an 18 year old that is legally defined as an adult is being impaired from owning a firearm. Period the end. View Quote Make no mistake with each of these bills/initiatives they're testing something with the courts in attempt to gain an inch. Nobody can answer that question, you can make arguments but until tested through the courts nobody knows. |
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[#19]
If I remember right there has been precedence set on the 18 year old rule, didn't someone in OR win a case against Bi-Mart because they denied him or her the ability to purchase a gun?
If I am remembering correctly, that could be used in court to argue against the law change from 18 to 21 |
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[#20]
Washington State Supreme Court,
ranked 5th Most Liberal in the country. Hmmm.... wonder what that means.... |
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[#21]
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Washington State Supreme Court, ranked 5th Most Liberal in the country. Hmmm.... wonder what that means.... View Quote Unless it's California Or Oregon Or New York Or Maryland Or Illinois Like the tropics? Forget Hawaii Or Massachusetts Politically savvy guy like yourself might like DC. Sorry. Or New Jersey Montana's probably good for another decade. Just stay out of Missoula. Texas is getting blue fast By all means, when you get where you're going be sure to limit your involvement in the firearms community to snarky posts on the local HTF. You really don't want to get involved in messy politics. See how that works? People leave a state because it is overrun by leftists, thus making it more left. Then they go to a new state only to find the left infiltrating government at every level from the dog catcher to the governor. Rinse and repeat. The gun rights effort moved out of the federal level over a decade ago and we are way behind the power curve. |
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[#23]
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That brings up another point, maybe I missed it? What if you move here and have semi auto rifles? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yesterday saddened me. Uncle Sam is moving us to WA next year. Guess it's time to buy while I'm still in TX. Full text of the initiative can be found at: https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_1531.pdf Hangover - Part 1639 |
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[#24]
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See how that works? People leave a state because it is overrun by leftists, thus making it more left. View Quote Then they go to a new state only to find the left infiltrating government at every level from the dog catcher to the governor. Rinse and repeat. The gun rights effort moved out of the federal level over a decade ago and we are way behind the power curve. View Quote Bottom line is its a numbers game and guns are a fringe issue. Plain and simple no getting around it. I cant give anyone shit who wants to leave. Hell Im already planning our escape when we retire. I'll help the fight and vote accordingly in the meantime tho. |
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[#25]
Funny how many "pro freedom" gun people lash out at people that choose to move across state lines. Takes all kinds I guess. Good luck WA.
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[#26]
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Funny how many "pro freedom" gun people lash out at people that choose to move across state lines. Takes all kinds I guess. Good luck WA. View Quote I was born and raised in kalifornia. Ive seen the same mindset and the same desire to fight...the same gatherings at the capitol, the same organizational efforts. THE SAME. It all succum to an increase in lib population followed by lib gov. --That is happeneing here---its a numbers game--- The dynamic hasn't changed here (or anywhere else) becuase theres not enough people to vote the correct way. The only option is to go somewhere else, and I cant fault anyone for wanting to. ETA: hopefully the law is written so badly it'll get tossed or watered down come court time. |
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[#27]
You are a Liberal.
You obviously haven't read my posts, on my tread, you kept whining about. I mentioned the states I am considering. You Will Be One Of The SHEEPLES, that give up your Guns, Dignity and Freedom. I'm Happy For You! Quoted: Weren't you leaving? You were just exercising your freedom to move where you want. Unless it's California Or Oregon Or New York Or Maryland Or Illinois Like the tropics? Forget Hawaii Or Massachusetts Politically savvy guy like yourself might like DC. Sorry. Or New Jersey Montana's probably good for another decade. Just stay out of Missoula. Texas is getting blue fast By all means, when you get where you're going be sure to limit your involvement in the firearms community to snarky posts on the local HTF. You really don't want to get involved in messy politics. See how that works? People leave a state because it is overrun by leftists, thus making it more left. Then they go to a new state only to find the left infiltrating government at every level from the dog catcher to the governor. Rinse and repeat. The gun rights effort moved out of the federal level over a decade ago and we are way behind the power curve. View Quote |
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[#31]
More Common Sense.
This... Quoted:
People want others of their kind to stay and fight. I get it. I was born and raised in kalifornia. Ive seen the same mindset and the same desire to fight...the same gatherings at the capitol, the same organizational efforts. THE SAME. It all succum to an increase in lib population followed by lib gov. --That is happeneing here---its a numbers game--- The dynamic hasn't changed here (or anywhere else) becuase theres not enough people to vote the correct way. The only option is to go somewhere else, and I cant fault anyone for wanting to. ETA: hopefully the law is written so badly it'll get tossed or watered down come court time. View Quote |
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[#32]
THC,
Your post is So Pathetic. Your lashing out at fellow Gun Owner's, did not help your Cause at all. You need to go back to grade school. Quoted: Weren't you leaving? You were just exercising your freedom to move where you want. Unless it's California Or Oregon Or New York Or Maryland Or Illinois Like the tropics? Forget Hawaii Or Massachusetts Politically savvy guy like yourself might like DC. Sorry. Or New Jersey Montana's probably good for another decade. Just stay out of Missoula. Texas is getting blue fast By all means, when you get where you're going be sure to limit your involvement in the firearms community to snarky posts on the local HTF. You really don't want to get involved in messy politics. See how that works? People leave a state because it is overrun by leftists, thus making it more left. Then they go to a new state only to find the left infiltrating government at every level from the dog catcher to the governor. Rinse and repeat. The gun rights effort moved out of the federal level over a decade ago and we are way behind the power curve. View Quote |
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[#33]
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More Common Sense. This... Quoted:
People want others of their kind to stay and fight. I get it. I was born and raised in kalifornia. Ive seen the same mindset and the same desire to fight...the same gatherings at the capitol, the same organizational efforts. THE SAME. It all succum to an increase in lib population followed by lib gov. --That is happeneing here---its a numbers game--- The dynamic hasn't changed here (or anywhere else) becuase theres not enough people to vote the correct way. The only option is to go somewhere else, and I cant fault anyone for wanting to. ETA: hopefully the law is written so badly it'll get tossed or watered down come court time. "I will leave" "I will not comply" "It's hopeless" "Seattle rules the state" "We will split the state" "What did NRA do?" And the end result is, only a very few get involved. Like it or not, people have to vote. And there is no magic bullet that can motivate that vote. It takes a lot of hard work on the part of individuals to make it happen. |
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[#34]
Quoted: The problem with this mentality is that it discourages people from doing so much as voting. I talked to thousands of people over the last 2 months. Too many gun owners use any excuse to not get involved: "I will leave" "I will not comply" "It's hopeless" "Seattle rules the state" "We will split the state" "What did NRA do?" And the end result is, only a very few get involved. Like it or not, people have to vote. And there is no magic bullet that can motivate that vote. It takes a lot of hard work on the part of individuals to make it happen. View Quote Do that math. Say of the 2M of non-active registered voters, roughly half, or ~1M are republicans, maybe even independents and even maybe some moderate dems that don't think doing things like waiving HIPPA for life isn't right... Now half that again, ~500K voting against 1639 and we'd be having a very different conversation right now. Apathy and complacency combined with blissful ignorance (and a healthy dose of MSM misdirection) are a large part of the reason we are here right this moment. We're well past the point where folks can sit on the fence and expect others, that 'somebody'...you know, that 'somebody who ought to do something...' to carry the legislative battle and win like they used to. Problem is that apathy has done more serious damage than 1639...you can fight the initiative in court. Getting republicans back in the seats in Olympia aint gonna happen anytime soon. BOSS |
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[#35]
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The problem with this mentality is that it discourages people from doing so much as voting. I talked to thousands of people over the last 2 months. Too many gun owners use any excuse to not get involved View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The problem with this mentality is that it discourages people from doing so much as voting. I talked to thousands of people over the last 2 months. Too many gun owners use any excuse to not get involved Quoted:
^^This. Apathy and complacency combined with blissful ignorance (and a healthy dose of MSM misdirection) are a large part of the reason we are here right this moment. Voter pessimism/apathy is the bigger problem, for everything on the ballot. I know many people that voted, though not hopefull for 1639 and other issues, but they did vote. |
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[#36]
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Your Screwed. View Quote |
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[#37]
Looks official, there's only 1,128,858 evil, stupid 'gun nuts' in WA.
Good thing 1639 won't effect too many law-abiding citizens or anything. Boss |
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[#38]
My wife and I BOTH got letters today from Pierce County auditor, staring that our ballots were rejected due to signature mismatches. Complete bullshit. Oh but wait, "it's not too late to submit an updated signature!" Why? So they can claim that it doesn't match up either?
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[#39]
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Threw down $150 for a life membership to SAF today. It's the only thing I could think of doing that has a chance of being helpful. https://www.saf.org/join-saf/ View Quote |
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[#40]
Quoted:
TNC, you must be a liberal You attack those, wanting to move from CALI NORTH, to live a better life. Well, You stay, lose your guns and your dignity. Myself, I choose to move and be Free. Is this not a Free Country? It's easier for You, To just stay and take it up the ass. It's harder for someone, like me, To pack up my whole life and move. But, Worth it all! In the end, I will have my Dignity and my Guns. You Will Not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
TNC, you must be a liberal You attack those, wanting to move from CALI NORTH, to live a better life. Well, You stay, lose your guns and your dignity. Myself, I choose to move and be Free. Is this not a Free Country? It's easier for You, To just stay and take it up the ass. It's harder for someone, like me, To pack up my whole life and move. But, Worth it all! In the end, I will have my Dignity and my Guns. You Will Not. Quoted: This is why we lose. People quick to hoist the bullshit flag because of their own assumptions. Then we have to divert our efforts to convince our own people, who should be reading and educating others. This is why we lose. WAHTF should be the premier RKBA forum in the state. Instead we have equal effort going into choosing which state we run to. |
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[#41]
Quoted: ^^This. There were roughly 2 Million registered voters (~47%) that did NOT return a ballot (I know, 5 minutes you'll never get back). 1639 is currently leading by ~520,000 votes. Do that math. Say of the 2M of non-active registered voters, roughly half, or ~1M are republicans, maybe even independents and even maybe some moderate dems that don't think doing things like waiving HIPPA for life isn't right... Now half that again, ~500K voting against 1639 and we'd be having a very different conversation right now. Apathy and complacency combined with blissful ignorance (and a healthy dose of MSM misdirection) are a large part of the reason we are here right this moment. We're well past the point where folks can sit on the fence and expect others, that 'somebody'...you know, that 'somebody who ought to do something...' to carry the legislative battle and win like they used to. Problem is that apathy has done more serious damage than 1639...you can fight the initiative in court. Getting republicans back in the seats in Olympia aint gonna happen anytime soon. BOSS View Quote I'm here for the duration. Hopefully, we get a spesdy legal remedy. Barring that, circumstantial reality will dictate my long term plans. In the interim until being able to retire, I'll be keeping an eye on other states. Hopefully, an escape plan won't be a necessity. |
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