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Posted: 10/27/2018 4:10:53 PM EDT
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I find it most interesting that within a couple hours CNN is posting:
He has an active license to carry a firearm Bower has an active license and has made at least six known firearm purchases since 1996, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said. I can believe that the LTC is traceable. I find it concerning that there is a database that would list firearms purchases. Not to mention that that CNN has access to it. Reckon its a federal database or the (illegal) state database? |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 5:42:36 PM EDT
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I find it most interesting that within a couple hours CNN is posting: He has an active license to carry a firearm Bower has an active license and has made at least six known firearm purchases since 1996, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said. I can believe that the LTC is traceable. I find it concerning that there is a database that would list firearms purchases. Not to mention that that CNN has access to it. Reckon its a federal database or the (illegal) state database? Nor can it really differentiate how many guns a person has vs. how many they bought. (Trade ins etc) Heck if they looked up how many PICS checks I passed the cnn anchor would probably have an aneurysm live on the air. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 5:51:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Governor Wolf is foaming at the mouth right now.
He doesn’t have the balls to outright demand PA create an AWB like Cuomo did but he has openly encouraged legislators to draft new laws. He said AWB laws are up to the feds to cover his own ass but he will be pressuring for new laws behind closed doors. I wish PA the best luck but I observed very little opposition to gun laws in my time there. I also fear TX may find themselves fighting and folks here just think it can’t happen. Time to go vote and contact your reps. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:32:07 PM EDT
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Governor Wolf is foaming at the mouth right now. He doesn’t have the balls to outright demand PA create an AWB like Cuomo did but he has openly encouraged legislators to draft new laws. He said AWB laws are up to the feds to cover his own ass but he will be pressuring for new laws behind closed doors. I wish PA the best luck but I observed very little opposition to gun laws in my time there. I also fear TX may find themselves fighting and folks here just think it can’t happen. Time to go vote and contact your reps. 1) I need a 30-30 and over-under 12 gauge. I don't care about anything else. 2) There won;t ever be a ban here I've spoken to Republican members of the state house who told me to my face that no one needs a 30 rd magazine. (actually >10) I have no idea how to combat this on a meaningful scale. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 6:40:28 PM EDT
[#5]
Based on what i saw from our legislature after Parkland, I am extremely concerned about what is coming next (even if we manage to hold the state house and senate.
I think we'll see a AWB get a floor vote this time. The one the Ds pushed last time was *horrible* it required a revokable permit for possession (per gun) that had to be renewed every five years with the state police. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:02:39 PM EDT
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I've spoken to Republican members of the state house who told me to my face that no one needs a 30 rd magazine. (actually >10) I have no idea how to combat this on a meaningful scale. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:07:37 PM EDT
[#7]
It's too bad the R's run someone like Wagner, each year the state will go more blue, I feel the clock is ticking on us.
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:20:14 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one needs a car, motorcycle, truck, etc., that goes over 55 mph. More people are killed by vehicles that people with 30 round magazines. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:40:56 PM EDT
[#9]
If they wanted to how fast could they get something passed, You think?
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Posted: 10/27/2018 7:48:42 PM EDT
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If they wanted to how fast could they get something passed, You think? ETA: For now it entirely depends on Republican leadership; they don't have to allow anything up for a vote. After Parkland they let a few things come up, but not an AWB. If the Dems get control at the state level in November then the flood gates will really open on this stuff. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 10:06:55 PM EDT
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I'd imagine within a week or two if they want to do it fast. Not entirely sure though. The bills are already written and waiting. ETA: For now it entirely depends on Republican leadership; they don't have to allow anything up for a vote. After Parkland they let a few things come up, but not an AWB. If the Dems get control at the state level in November then the flood gates will really open on this stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they wanted to how fast could they get something passed, You think? ETA: For now it entirely depends on Republican leadership; they don't have to allow anything up for a vote. After Parkland they let a few things come up, but not an AWB. If the Dems get control at the state level in November then the flood gates will really open on this stuff. ETA: Be smart and educated when you talk to people. And above all, Don't get angry! The first one to loose his temper will always lose the argument. Remember that absolutely no AWB would have stopped this guy. I am positive this guy sent out all kinds of red flags to people who really knew him also. |
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Posted: 10/27/2018 10:23:51 PM EDT
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If the Dems get control at the state level in November then the flood gates will really open on this stuff. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 3:29:26 AM EDT
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Governor Wolf is foaming at the mouth right now. He doesn't have the balls to outright demand PA create an AWB like Cuomo did but he has openly encouraged legislators to draft new laws. He said AWB laws are up to the feds to cover his own ass but he will be pressuring for new laws behind closed doors. I wish PA the best luck but I observed very little opposition to gun laws in my time there. I also fear TX may find themselves fighting and folks here just think it can't happen. Time to go vote and contact your reps. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 8:22:50 AM EDT
[#14]
It’s definitely a slippery slope.
We can’t let anything else pass or I believe PA will be just like NY/NJ. My Rebublican rep & senator are solidly pro gun, but I don’t think enough of the others are. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 11:14:58 AM EDT
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I use to live in NY and I see things happening here I don’t like. I have been here 15 years and I have seen a downturn in that time. It really saddens me because when I came here it was the cats meow. Now I see all the liberals coming In From NY,NJ,MD etc and they are brining their crap that I fled from.
The roads are becoming to crowded to drive. They are going through stop signs. I just avoided an accident the other day and I drove into a ditch doing it and my work truck is very messed up. I almost flipped it. I hit a tree and it stopped me from flipping. All because someone decided to just stop and make a left. They drove away and I was left in a ditch. The republicans are just like the NY Republicans not worth a $hit. I hope I am wrong. We are on borrowed time. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 5:44:30 PM EDT
[#16]
It will last as long as we are willing to fight for it.
The construction does not give me rights; it restricts the government from infringing those rights. That’s the first sentiment that needs to be corrected. Philly and a few other small areas do not speak for the rest of PA. We need to make that clear. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 6:16:58 PM EDT
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It will last as long as we are willing to fight for it. The construction does not give me rights; it restricts the government from infringing those rights. That’s the first sentiment that needs to be corrected. Philly and a few other small areas do not speak for the rest of PA. We need to make that clear. I live in one of those small area filled with anti gun liberals or fudds. I hope we dont go the way of NY/NJ ], But I have a bad feeling. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 1:16:06 AM EDT
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No one needs a car, motorcycle, truck, etc., that goes over 55 mph. More people are killed by vehicles that people with 30 round magazines. It's not about saving lives. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 12:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I use to live in NY and I see things happening here I don’t like. I have been here 15 years and I have seen a downturn in that time. It really saddens me because when I came here it was the cats meow. Now I see all the liberals coming In From NY,NJ,MD etc and they are brining their crap that I fled from. The roads are becoming to crowded to drive. They are going through stop signs. I just avoided an accident the other day and I drove into a ditch doing it and my work truck is very messed up. I almost flipped it. I hit a tree and it stopped me from flipping. All because someone decided to just stop and make a left. They drove away and I was left in a ditch. The republicans are just like the NY Republicans not worth a $hit. I hope I am wrong. We are on borrowed time. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 8:22:07 PM EDT
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If they wanted to how fast could they get something passed, You think? This in what was previously called ‘the gunshine state’. Good luck up there, guys. If the midterms go the wrong way it will get worse for all of us. |
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Posted: 10/29/2018 8:59:15 PM EDT
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The mistake our side has been making and we need to stop immediately is playing defense. We need to go on counter offense. New York has proven that you can't win on defense, only lose slowly in good times and lose quickly in bad times. We need to be culturally assertive, talk to DONORS NOT POLITICIANS, and be PUBLIC. Not OC'ing rifles but wearing t-shirts, talking to teachers and professors and preachers et al., visible and vocal in neighborhoods, etc.
STOP relying on luck and what the ballot box hands us. Quit being a receiver of outcomes. I just bought a house here, this shit had better not make me want to move again. |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 1:20:30 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In Florida our republican supermajority state legislature rammed a bill down our throats in three weeks after the Parkland high school shooting. Our republican governor signed it immediately. The law forbids anyone under 21 legally buying a firearm, restricts all gun purchases to a three day wait, and outlaws bump stocks with a very loose definition that includes anything that makes the gun fire faster... This in what was previously called ‘the gunshine state’. Good luck up there, guys. If the midterms go the wrong way it will get worse for all of us. The NRA let us down here in Fla.......and our Gov. was in the midst of a senatorial campaign........guess he thought it'd buy him a few votes, couple that with the NY'ers in Miami and we had a foregone conclusion! |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 1:34:56 PM EDT
[#23]
Apparently there is a big anti-gun push scheduled for November 12-13-14 when the legislature comes back into session:
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=340850 Proposed bill HB2669 is claimed to ban loaded firearms in vehicles, even by LTCF holders. (reading the bill myself I can't tell if it does or not. Can someone smarter than me give it a read? here) |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 10:36:14 AM EDT
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Apparently there is a big anti-gun push scheduled for November 12-13-14 when the legislature comes back into session: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=340850 Proposed bill HB2669 is claimed to ban loaded firearms in vehicles, even by LTCF holders. (reading the bill myself I can't tell if it does or not. Can someone smarter than me give it a read? here) If you can make it to Harrisburg one of those 3 days, I STRONGLY suggest doing whatever you can to go. Also make sure to get those people who don’t feel pressed to vote out there Nov 6!! We need to get Wagner in as that’ll be the last hope we have to stop an AWB. Look at the recent red flag law that was passed in our congress.. Mag limits, universal background checks and an AWB ban is very real so don’t sit this one out. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 12:22:56 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they will certainly push for an AWB in PA after the recent shooting in Pittsburgh. Here’s a post I saw on reddit from a post Josh Prince wrote https://www.reddit.com/r/PAguns/comments/9sysef/from_joshua_princenot_to_sound_like_a_broken/?st=JNX95J29&sh=37c8cc6d If you can make it to Harrisburg one of those 3 days, I STRONGLY suggest doing whatever you can to go. Also make sure to get those people who don’t feel pressed to vote out there Nov 6!! We need to get Wagner in as that’ll be the last hope we have to stop an AWB. Look at the recent red flag law that was passed in our congress.. Mag limits, universal background checks and an AWB ban is very real so don’t sit this one out. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 1:06:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In Florida our republican supermajority state legislature rammed a bill down our throats in three weeks after the Parkland high school shooting. Our republican governor signed it immediately. The law forbids anyone under 21 legally buying a firearm, restricts all gun purchases to a three day wait, and outlaws bump stocks with a very loose definition that includes anything that makes the gun fire faster... This in what was previously called ‘the gunshine state’. Good luck up there, guys. If the midterms go the wrong way it will get worse for all of us. I'll be in Harrisburg for a chunk of the 12-13-14th to do my part. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 1:37:35 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they will certainly push for an AWB in PA after the recent shooting in Pittsburgh. Here’s a post I saw on reddit from a post Josh Prince wrote https://www.reddit.com/r/PAguns/comments/9sysef/from_joshua_princenot_to_sound_like_a_broken/?st=JNX95J29&sh=37c8cc6d If you can make it to Harrisburg one of those 3 days, I STRONGLY suggest doing whatever you can to go. Also make sure to get those people who don’t feel pressed to vote out there Nov 6!! We need to get Wagner in as that’ll be the last hope we have to stop an AWB. Look at the recent red flag law that was passed in our congress.. Mag limits, universal background checks and an AWB ban is very real so don’t sit this one out. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:20:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Wish I could make it to Harrisburg, But I will do my part an vote.
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:39:45 PM EDT
[#29]
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Wish I could make it to Harrisburg, But I will do my part an vote. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 2:45:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad you’ll do you part. Try to get people you know to vote for Wagner on the 6th. We need all the muscle we can get. SB17 is looking very very bad. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 4:30:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Already got a few to turn that way. What does SB17 say? Would it go into affect ASAP or would be a grace period? Bans possession and transfer of "Assault weapons" (appears to include basically all semiauto centerfire rifles, shotguns and pistols) and magazines > 10 rounds. ETA: parts are also included in this Existing "assault weapons" can be registered by getting a "certificate of possession" from the State Police within 120 days of passage. This appears to be per-firearm, is may-issue, is revocable by any law enforcment officer, and must be renewed every five years. If the certificate is revoked or not renewed you must surrender the firearm. There is no provision for keeping existing magazines that I saw. Law takes effect 60 days from passage. ETA: text of the bill is Here ETA 2: Also appears to narrowly define the places/circumstances in which a registered "assault weapon" can be possessed . Pretty much only at your home, a "bona-fide" shooting range, or at a gun store. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 4:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Law takes effect 60 days from passage. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 4:51:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if it did pass I think there would be a lot of guns purchased during that 60 days, An I dont think many would get registered. Ill stay an try my best to fight, But worst comes to worst I wont be a PA resident much longer. Call, write, and go there in person. Be polite, but firm, in explaining that voting for this type of thing is totally unacceptable. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 11:55:38 PM EDT
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Let's work on fighting this now so we don't have to worry about that. Republicans have solid majorities in both houses, and will hopefully keep them. We *should* be able to repel this if we all keep on them. Call, write, and go there in person. Be polite, but firm, in explaining that voting for this type of thing is totally unacceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So if it did pass I think there would be a lot of guns purchased during that 60 days, An I dont think many would get registered. Ill stay an try my best to fight, But worst comes to worst I wont be a PA resident much longer. Call, write, and go there in person. Be polite, but firm, in explaining that voting for this type of thing is totally unacceptable. I really want to goto harrisburg on one of those days but because of my work situation, I really don’t see myself having a chance to even take the day off. This is very serious and we need to pressure our reps to vote NO on any anti gun bills. We all know it won’t stop criminals and we really need to drive the point home that it’ll just create more “criminals” instead of stopping actual crime. Colorado and NY are good examples of how their crazy gun control measures have been a massive failure and the populous refuse to comply regardless of the law. Let’s not get to that point. Get your friends to vote 11/6, Wagner will need all the support he can get. We need to pull a MAGA3X on these midterms. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:18:06 PM EDT
[#35]
Well I cant go to Harrisburg either.
I'll do what I always do... contact my reps. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:12:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Would it be helpful to go to HBG if you could only be there from 8 to 9 AM?
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:29:26 AM EDT
[#37]
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The mistake our side has been making and we need to stop immediately is playing defense. We need to go on counter offense. New York has proven that you can't win on defense, only lose slowly in good times and lose quickly in bad times. We need to be culturally assertive, talk to DONORS NOT POLITICIANS, and be PUBLIC. Not OC'ing rifles but wearing t-shirts, talking to teachers and professors and preachers et al., visible and vocal in neighborhoods, etc. STOP relying on luck and what the ballot box hands us. Quit being a receiver of outcomes. I just bought a house here, this shit had better not make me want to move again. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:07:49 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sir you don’t understand. What you say is correct In theory. The reality is we might not have the numbers. Once that happens you get trampled. You are seeing our number drop by the shift of republicans. They are pandering to the majority to get elected. It’s a numbers game. Please, call your reps, and come to Harrisburg on the 12th, 13th or 14th. Nothing beats actually being there in effectiveness. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 7:41:34 PM EDT
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We may not have the numbers, but even if we do our voices are being drowned out by anti-gunners. Gun control groups have people in Harrisburg protesting and talking to representatives CONSTANTLY. They are there for EVERY vote, constantly making their presence known. We don't have that; and it has to have an effect eventually on how our reps vote. Please, call your reps, and come to Harrisburg on the 12th, 13th or 14th. Nothing beats actually being there in effectiveness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Sir you don’t understand. What you say is correct In theory. The reality is we might not have the numbers. Once that happens you get trampled. You are seeing our number drop by the shift of republicans. They are pandering to the majority to get elected. It’s a numbers game. Please, call your reps, and come to Harrisburg on the 12th, 13th or 14th. Nothing beats actually being there in effectiveness. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:38:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Wolfe needs to go! I'm just afraid of Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Lehigh County not making that happen
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:46:57 PM EDT
[#41]
all 6 of Toomeys offices claim this is a rumor and not true.
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Posted: 11/4/2018 9:59:54 PM EDT
[#42]
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all 6 of Toomeys offices claim this is a rumor and not true. |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 10:59:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Absolutely everyone needs to be at the polls tomorrow.
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Posted: 11/5/2018 11:44:07 PM EDT
[#44]
Get out and vote!! Your rights really do depend on it!!
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Posted: 11/6/2018 12:44:31 AM EDT
[#45]
The weather looks crappy in Lancaster county tomorrow. I feel like that would favor R's?
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Posted: 11/6/2018 1:02:28 AM EDT
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Get out and vote!! Your rights really do depend on it!! Im hoping for Wolf with a Republican House and Senate and 2 years of gridlock. I say that because I cant see him somehow getting Trumped by Wagner. Would be nice, but still dont see it (that said, I didnt see Trump winning either, so who knows?) |
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Posted: 12/8/2018 3:53:02 PM EDT
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As long as we are still the United States of America we will
have our Second Amendment Look what’s happening in France over tax on fuel & social programs. Imagine government trying to take our Second Amendment right away. I think sometimes the Libs forget the guys with the guns are really the ones in charge. Tyranny such as them trying to take away our second amendment right away is why our forefathers gave us this right. Look what Americans did when they taxed our tea too much. Tax tea too much =. American Revolution Take guns away from law abiding American citizen’s = I think they know the answer. That’s why they are trying to slowly chip away at it. Hopefully we as a Country will never have to use our Constitutionally Guaranteed Right of our Second Amendment. I think Lib politians should take a good look at France & realize that Americans are about 100 times tougher then a Frenchman. Just don’t push law abiding American Ciitizens to our limits or try to take away our God Given Rights. Another quick tip for our politians. 98 % of our Military and Police both Active & Retired believe in the Second Amendment. So don’t look to them to enforce your UnConstitutional laws. |
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Posted: 12/8/2018 7:03:51 PM EDT
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@JohnNYPD, god bless you for being positive, however I think you put too much faith in today's typical American voter. Our 2A rights get chipped away, day-by-day and there's no protest. I believe in Denver there's a registration requirement for ARs and other 'assault' weapons. Where were the people when this was discussed and made into law.
As a people we have grown complacent. Hate to say it, but the French (yellow vests/jackets) have one up on us in this instance. I doubt an increase in gas tax in this country would have resulted in the feedback that the FR people are sharing with their government today. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 9:10:35 PM EDT
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I believe in Denver there's a registration requirement for ARs and other 'assault' weapons. Where were the people when this was discussed and made into law. Of course this will likely change soon given the election results. Either way I won't be around for the fallout in CO as I'm leaving this week to drive back to PA. |
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Posted: 12/12/2018 12:08:57 PM EDT
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Originally posted on FB by Firearms Industry Consulting Group:
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