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Posted: 2/17/2020 1:33:13 PM EDT
HB 2240 is on the House schedule today! Keep hammering them! Calls, emails, carrier pigeon if need be, get the word out!
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HB 2555 re: "OTHER" BG checks is on today too. We will not have our rights voted away over a holiday session. Keep at it!
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Thank you everyone for your efforts on these and the multitude of other freedom ending bills this session. Together we CAN make a difference!
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That's been there, rules puts it there a good week ago. Whether or not it gets put on todays order of consideration remains to be seen... Keep up the emails, make them not get to it.
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More amendments being made to 2240 as well. Allowing use while hunting with existing mags and allowing transport in unlocked container.
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Part of what you're seeing is representatives intentionally making amendments which require debate and lots of time. Lots of time prevents them from getting to other bills. They have deadlines...
Current list of proposed amendments since getting to the floor:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/?billNumber=2240&year=2020&initiative=False ETA: I see what you're saying http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Amendments/House/2240-S looks like it fixes the revised language brought out in the striking amendment which rewords a bunch of things, to clarify that hunting is an exempted use for possessions. You can see they added an (l) exemption and moved the OR to the next line. These time expensive fine grained fixes are exactly what will push it over the deadline... |
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Lots of political gamesmanship no doubt...why don't they put these on the back burner and argue about other bills?
In the mean time run out the clock. Keep up with calls, emails, etc. Boss |
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emailed and commented on the WA.GOV site:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2240?fbclid=IwAR3lkxSNH3R7_ml5SOY5UJrpQEakQS-CxZ6NU3T8ARdInEHJc7ysWEG1bL0 |
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That's exactly what they're doing, but if it goes past wednesday, it's dead. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lots of political gamesmanship no doubt...why don't they put these on the back burner and argue about other bills? In the mean time run out the clock. Keep up with calls, emails, etc. Boss I expect a late-to-midnight hail Mary play. |
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Quoted: The attempts to sneak them through is a clear indication that these bill are clearly understood to be turds with a significant % of the constituency. I expect a late-to-midnight hail Mary play. View Quote As soon as Olympia is done debating new firearms legislation - regardless of the outcome - they are going to go right back to passing laws and regulations that continue to set the stage for crime rates to rise, and make it more and more necessary for average law-abiding people of this state to own precisely the types of weapons they are attempting to ban. |
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My democrat senator Randall replied back to me that she’s “planning” on voting no. At least some good news so far.
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My democrat senator Randall replied back to me that she’s “planning” on voting no. At least some good news so far. View Quote This is why when I write I mention just letting SHB 2240 and any other gun control bill die. When a bill is brought up for a vote, the "roll call" is the official, public record, of who voted "yea" and who voted "nay". That record lasts forever. If one is a politician who may be in a purple district, it would be best to not have to be on record one way or the other. Therefore, these reps can urge leadership to delay bringing an contentious bill to the floor for a vote. THIS is why it is so important to keep hammering your reps. The more that get the feeling that going on record as having voted for anti-gun legislation just might cost them their jobs, the better. And thank you @DOBERMAN for writing your reps! |
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Only response I've received in the past several days was from Matt Shea's office, an obvious NO vote there.
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false |
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false View Quote Is this not a CPL exception??? |
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I got emails back from Brian Blake, Drew MacEwan, Lynda Wilson, Michelle Caldier, Matt Shea, and Luanne Van Werven. All positive, no canned responses.
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false View Quote |
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Emily Randall won by only 104 votes. She is way vulnerable. This is why when I write I mention just letting SHB 2240 and any other gun control bill die. When a bill is brought up for a vote, the "roll call" is the official, public record, of who voted "yea" and who voted "nay". That record lasts forever. If one is a politician who may be in a purple district, it would be best to not have to be on record one way or the other. Therefore, these reps can urge leadership to delay bringing an contentious bill to the floor for a vote. THIS is why it is so important to keep hammering your reps. The more that get the feeling that going on record as having voted for anti-gun legislation just might cost them their jobs, the better. And thank you @DOBERMAN for writing your reps! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My democrat senator Randall replied back to me that she’s “planning” on voting no. At least some good news so far. This is why when I write I mention just letting SHB 2240 and any other gun control bill die. When a bill is brought up for a vote, the "roll call" is the official, public record, of who voted "yea" and who voted "nay". That record lasts forever. If one is a politician who may be in a purple district, it would be best to not have to be on record one way or the other. Therefore, these reps can urge leadership to delay bringing an contentious bill to the floor for a vote. THIS is why it is so important to keep hammering your reps. The more that get the feeling that going on record as having voted for anti-gun legislation just might cost them their jobs, the better. And thank you @DOBERMAN for writing your reps! Attached File ETA: @DOBERMAN |
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Yep, would allow CPL holders to carry grandfathered magazines and totally removes the transportation requirement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Amendments/House/2240-S%20AMH%20YOUN%20ADAM%20206.pdf Is this not a CPL exception??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false Is this not a CPL exception??? |
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false View Quote |
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Holy crap, I refreshed the page and . Someone’s been busy. View Quote Holy Sh*t!! Hammer down folks!! This is the home stretch and we can do it but it will take your calls and emails to keep this sucker from seeing the light of day!!! SHB 2240 Info Page |
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Damn, Representative Young has been busy. And trying to strike back at the state for this idiocy... Good.
Is there a midnight cutoff, or do things go until the chamber collapses? |
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Wednesday at 5pm, I don't know if they're going to call it a night or not. As far as I know they can go all night if they want to, it's up to the chamber.
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Damn, Representative Young has been busy. And trying to strike back at the state for this idiocy... Good. Is there a midnight cutoff, or do things go until the chamber collapses? View Quote There are procedural maneuverings that can allow bills to be pulled to the floor for a vote at any time, however that is not an easy thing to do - especially if there is little to no support for those bills!! This is why it is important for all of us to continue calling and emailing our reps (and all of the reps for that matter) regarding SHB 2240. Next major cut off is 19 February @ 1700 hours - we are close but DO NOT back off the throttle!! End of session is 12 March!! We CAN do this!! |
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If we avoid a ban this year, don't let your guard.
This is a short session this year with a long session next. These freedom hating socialists will continue to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks. Just like the environmentalist groups did when trying to close the Centralia steam plant because of climate change. After years of attempts, they banded their resources together and were successful in 2011. One unit goes offline this year with the second due to shut down in 2025. |
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If we avoid a ban this year, don't let your guard. This is a short session this year with a long session next. These freedom hating socialists will continue to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks. Just like the environmentalist groups did when trying to close the Centralia steam plant because of climate change. After years of attempts, they banded their resources together and were successful in 2011. One unit goes offline this year with the second due to shut down in 2025. View Quote |
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I would let Representative Jesse Young swing by the house and bang the gf. What a stud. I bet he has to carry around his balls in a wheelbarrow.
His amendments are literally an all out assault on the teeth of this thing. From what I gather with all the proposed amendments the end state of 2240 is that it's illegal to commit a felony with a high capacity magazine. That's about it. |
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I would let Representative Jesse Young swing by the house and bang the gf. What a stud. I bet he has to carry around his balls in a wheelbarrow. His amendments are literally an all out assault on the teeth of this thing. From what I gather with all the proposed amendments the end state of 2240 is that it's illegal to commit a felony with a high capacity magazine. That's about it. View Quote Please - DO NOT take this as a sign to let up on the pressure!! Keep calling and emailing your reps!! |
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More action taken today. Always want to call out the folks on our side:
"Hi, Uberdog. I have pointed this out to my Democrat colleagues on several occasions. Still they turn a blind eye and forge ahead with these unconstitutional proposals. THANK YOU for your diligence. Please keep it up! Obviously, I will be a huge NO. Yours in service, LYNDASIGNATURE Senator Lynda Wilson 17th Legislative District Olympia Office - 110 Irv Newhouse Building PO Box 40417 - Olympia, WA 98504 * [email protected] ( 360.786.7632" |
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"Son is that a 30 round mag"? This old thang? It's a 10 round mag for my 458 socom.
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Should I be contacting the WA House Reps right now re: HB 2240 or should I be contacting the WA Senate about SB 6077?
I already emailed the house members about HB 2240 on Saturday. I'm not clear who I need to be contacting right now. Help. |
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HB 2240 is on the floor for a vote.
SB 6077 is one step behind in rules and must be put on the floor. Either are technically possible. But one has to pass a floor vote by EOD tomorrow or they both die short of chicanery by leaders to ignore cutoff dates and revive it. 2240 has had a bazillion amendments added which does make it the less likely candidate. Presumably senators would do the same thing if Senate rules puts it on the calendar tomorrow but I don't think they can so long as it's still in committee. Let's just hope they both don't go anywhere tomorrow and they die. ETA: Sorry fixed up my numbers. Long day. |
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails
Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district. Representative Mike Chapman 24th Legislative District On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received. I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent. There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best. Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible. The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said: This would unduly burden law enforcement Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible It criminalizes lawfully owned property Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you) Again, a response is respectfully requested. Digger440 ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices. A response is respectfully requested. Digger440 View Quote |
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district. Representative Mike Chapman 24th Legislative District On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received. I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent. There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best. Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible. The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said: This would unduly burden law enforcement Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible It criminalizes lawfully owned property Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you) Again, a response is respectfully requested. Digger440 ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices. A response is respectfully requested. Digger440 |
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails View Quote The American Conservative Union Foundation says he scores in the “Coalition of the Radical Left”, voting less than a 10% of the time for conservative issues (his score was 0%.....) He won 60/40 in both 2016 and 2018, so probably not going anywhere. |
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HB 2044 is on the floor for a vote. SB 6077 is one step behind in rules and must be put on the floor. Either are technically possible. But one has to pass a floor vote by EOD tomorrow or they both die short of chicanery by leaders to ignore cutoff dates and revive it. 2044 has had a bazillion amendments added which does make it the less like candidate. Presumably senators would do the same thing if Senate rules puts it on the calendar tomorrow but I don't think they can so long as it's still in committee. Let's just hope they both don't go anywhere tomorrow and they die. View Quote |
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The Orange Mafia gives this worthless sack of shit an “A” grade..... The American Conservative Union Foundation says he scores in the “Coalition of the Radical Left”, voting less than a 10% of the time for conservative issues (his score was 0%.....) He won 60/40 in both 2016 and 2018, so probably not going anywhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails The American Conservative Union Foundation says he scores in the “Coalition of the Radical Left”, voting less than a 10% of the time for conservative issues (his score was 0%.....) He won 60/40 in both 2016 and 2018, so probably not going anywhere. |
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district. Representative Mike Chapman 24th Legislative District On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received. I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent. There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best. Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible. The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said: This would unduly burden law enforcement Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible It criminalizes lawfully owned property Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you) Again, a response is respectfully requested. Digger440 ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices. A response is respectfully requested. Digger440 I swear, there is zero sense of legal responsibility - as in, holding one's self accountable to the oath of office & the actual law that oath refers to - in the collective legislatures in this country. No one dares have an honest discussion about the content of the 2A & writings of the framers with respect to it. You don't see speech rights being parsed & finagled anywhere near as much, although I'm sure exceptions will be in order for "nonconformitive" speech in the not-too-distant future. |
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The constitution is too inconvenient to mention in his reply. Nope, it's all "how I feelz about it", & that's as far as it intellectually goes. I swear, there is zero sense of legal responsibility - as in, holding one's self accountable to the oath of office & the actual law that oath refers to - in the collective legislatures in this country. No one dares have an honest discussion about the content of the 2A & writings of the framers with respect to it. You don't see speech rights being parsed & finagled anywhere near as much, although I'm sure exceptions will be in order for "nonconformitive" speech in the not-too-distant future. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district. Representative Mike Chapman 24th Legislative District On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received. I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent. There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best. Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible. The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said: This would unduly burden law enforcement Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible It criminalizes lawfully owned property Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you) Again, a response is respectfully requested. Digger440 ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote: Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger, Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices. A response is respectfully requested. Digger440 I swear, there is zero sense of legal responsibility - as in, holding one's self accountable to the oath of office & the actual law that oath refers to - in the collective legislatures in this country. No one dares have an honest discussion about the content of the 2A & writings of the framers with respect to it. You don't see speech rights being parsed & finagled anywhere near as much, although I'm sure exceptions will be in order for "nonconformitive" speech in the not-too-distant future. Our state constitution is well worded and case law keeps "the man" out of your business without a warrant in almost everything. But, the state supreme court lost whatever credibility (which wasn't much) when it said that the voters didnt understand I976. My question is did they understand I1639? Our system is moribund and broken, federally and locally. The state of Washington is completely beholden to the I-5 corridor |
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