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Posted: 2/17/2020 1:33:13 PM EDT
HB 2240 is on the House schedule today!  Keep hammering them!  Calls, emails, carrier pigeon if need be, get the word out!

Link to calendar, Line 35.

- Nw -
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 1:54:18 PM EDT
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HB 2555 re: "OTHER" BG checks is on today too.  We will not have our rights voted away over a holiday session.  Keep at it!

Link to Calendar, line 108.

- Nw -
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 2:22:29 PM EDT
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Emailed again.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 2:48:42 PM EDT
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Comments sent.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 3:01:38 PM EDT
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Thank you everyone for your efforts on these and the multitude of other freedom ending bills this session.  Together we CAN make a difference!
 - Nw -
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 3:13:54 PM EDT
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Emails sent again!
Thanks
Bellingham
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 3:26:08 PM EDT
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That's been there, rules puts it there a good week ago. Whether or not it gets put on todays order of consideration remains to be seen... Keep up the emails, make them not get to it.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 4:09:34 PM EDT
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More amendments being made to 2240 as well.  Allowing use while hunting with existing mags and allowing transport in unlocked container.

- Nw -
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 4:23:27 PM EDT
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I dont get that one. Didnt the original bill make exceptions for hunting already?
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 5:02:00 PM EDT
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Part of what you're seeing is representatives intentionally making amendments which require debate and lots of time. Lots of time prevents them from getting to other bills. They have deadlines...

Current list of proposed amendments since getting to the floor:
AmendmentNameNumSponsorTypeDescriptionAction
2240-SAMH GRAH LEON 3421269GrahamFloorPg 4 Ln 6
2240-SAMH HOFF ADAM 1301459HoffFloorPg 3 Ln 32
2240-SAMH HOFF ADAM 1311460HoffFloorPg 3 Ln 15
2240-SAMH IRWI ADAM 2231430IrwinFloorPg 4 Ln 6
2240-SAMH VALD H4961.11271ValdezFloorStriker
2240-SAMH GRAH ADAM 2991403GrahamFloorPg 3 Ln 31
2240-SAMH HOFF ADAM 2271457HoffFloorPg 3 Ln 17
2240-SAMH HOFF ADAM 2281458HoffFloorPg 2 Ln 39
2240-SAMH IRWI ADAM 2981431IrwinFloorPg 3 Ln 31

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/?billNumber=2240&year=2020&initiative=False

ETA: I see what you're saying http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Amendments/House/2240-S looks like it fixes the revised language brought out in the striking amendment which rewords a bunch of things, to clarify that hunting is an exempted use for possessions. You can see they added an (l) exemption and moved the OR to the next line.

These time expensive fine grained fixes are exactly what will push it over the deadline...
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 5:25:37 PM EDT
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Lots of political gamesmanship no doubt...why don't they put these on the back burner and argue about other bills?

In the mean time run out the clock.

Keep up with calls, emails, etc.

Boss
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 5:35:38 PM EDT
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Lots of political gamesmanship no doubt...why don't they put these on the back burner and argue about other bills?

In the mean time run out the clock.

Keep up with calls, emails, etc.

Boss
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That's exactly what they're doing, but if it goes past wednesday, it's dead.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 6:59:34 PM EDT
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Lots of political gamesmanship no doubt...why don't they put these on the back burner and argue about other bills?

In the mean time run out the clock.

Keep up with calls, emails, etc.

Boss
That's exactly what they're doing, but if it goes past wednesday, it's dead.
The attempts to sneak them through is a clear indication that these bill are clearly understood to be turds by a significant % of the constituency.

I expect a late-to-midnight hail Mary play.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 7:41:08 PM EDT
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The attempts to sneak them through is a clear indication that these bill are clearly understood to be turds with a significant % of the constituency.

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I mentioned this in my letter. Each year we face disingenuous attempts to pass the same firearms legislation without just cause. We've had two unprovoked shootings of note in the past decade. Beyond that, almost no shootings occur in Washington that aren't directly related to drug crime and gang activity - two things that are continually encouraged by Olympia's policies on drug use and homelessness.

As soon as Olympia is done debating new firearms legislation - regardless of the outcome - they are going to go right back to passing laws and regulations that continue to set the stage for crime rates to rise, and make it more and more necessary for average law-abiding people of this state to own precisely the types of weapons they are attempting to ban.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 8:12:15 PM EDT
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Emailed again.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 8:39:30 PM EDT
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Also emailed again and shared on social media.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 8:44:35 PM EDT
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My democrat senator Randall replied back to me that she’s “planning” on voting no. At least some good news so far.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 8:59:55 PM EDT
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Emily Randall won by only 104 votes.  She is way vulnerable.

This is why when I write I mention just letting SHB 2240 and any other gun control bill die.  When a bill is brought up for a vote, the "roll call" is the official, public record, of who voted "yea" and who voted "nay".  That record lasts forever.

If one is a politician who may be in a purple district, it would be best to not have to be on record one way or the other.  Therefore, these reps can urge leadership to delay bringing an contentious bill to the floor for a vote.

THIS is why it is so important to keep hammering your reps.  The more that get the feeling that going on record as having voted for anti-gun legislation just might cost them their jobs, the better.

And thank you @DOBERMAN for writing your reps!
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 9:38:27 PM EDT
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Only response I've received in the past several days was from Matt Shea's office, an obvious NO vote there.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 9:45:52 PM EDT
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Emailed again.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 10:00:44 PM EDT
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 10:20:08 PM EDT
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http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Amendments/House/2240-S%20AMH%20YOUN%20ADAM%20206.pdf

Is this not a CPL exception???
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 10:37:44 PM EDT
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I got emails back from Brian Blake, Drew MacEwan, Lynda Wilson, Michelle Caldier, Matt Shea, and Luanne Van Werven. All positive, no canned responses.
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 10:44:00 PM EDT
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The more Amendments, the better!
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 11:30:45 PM EDT
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Emily Randall won by only 104 votes.  She is way vulnerable.

This is why when I write I mention just letting SHB 2240 and any other gun control bill die.  When a bill is brought up for a vote, the "roll call" is the official, public record, of who voted "yea" and who voted "nay".  That record lasts forever.

If one is a politician who may be in a purple district, it would be best to not have to be on record one way or the other.  Therefore, these reps can urge leadership to delay bringing an contentious bill to the floor for a vote.

THIS is why it is so important to keep hammering your reps.  The more that get the feeling that going on record as having voted for anti-gun legislation just might cost them their jobs, the better.

And thank you @DOBERMAN for writing your reps!
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My democrat senator Randall replied back to me that she’s “planning” on voting no. At least some good news so far.
Emily Randall won by only 104 votes.  She is way vulnerable.

This is why when I write I mention just letting SHB 2240 and any other gun control bill die.  When a bill is brought up for a vote, the "roll call" is the official, public record, of who voted "yea" and who voted "nay".  That record lasts forever.

If one is a politician who may be in a purple district, it would be best to not have to be on record one way or the other.  Therefore, these reps can urge leadership to delay bringing an contentious bill to the floor for a vote.

THIS is why it is so important to keep hammering your reps.  The more that get the feeling that going on record as having voted for anti-gun legislation just might cost them their jobs, the better.

And thank you @DOBERMAN for writing your reps!
Randall appears to be flipping!!

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ETA:  @DOBERMAN
Link Posted: 2/17/2020 11:31:32 PM EDT
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Hammer - hammer - HAMMER everyone!!!
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 12:04:46 AM EDT
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Yep, would allow CPL holders to carry grandfathered magazines and totally removes the transportation requirement.
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 12:12:26 AM EDT
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Is this not a CPL exception???
Yep, would allow CPL holders to carry grandfathered magazines and totally removes the transportation requirement.
And slows the whole bill down through the legislative process
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 12:17:25 AM EDT
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Woohoo look at all the amendments now, someone was having fun filing these today

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2240&Year=2019&Initiative=false
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Amendments/House/2240-S%20AMH%20YOUN%20ADAM%20206.pdf

Is this not a CPL exception???
If interpret that for open carry as well, so long as it's for "self defense" which pretty much encompasses everything. I don't really expect many of these to go anywhere but they being up the areas we have most contention with and eat up time.
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Holy crap, I refreshed the page and .  Someone’s been busy.
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Holy smokes - the list of amendments has grown since Mr. Zeat's post!

Keep hammering people!!  Nobody wants this to see a vote!!  NOBODY!!
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 12:43:25 AM EDT
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SIXTY amendments have been added to this bill!!

Holy Sh*t!!

Hammer down folks!!  This is the home stretch and we can do it but it will take your calls and emails to keep this sucker from seeing the light of day!!!

SHB 2240 Info Page
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 1:22:36 AM EDT
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Damn, Representative Young has been busy.  And trying to strike back at the state for this idiocy...  Good.

Is there a midnight cutoff, or do things go until the chamber collapses?
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 1:29:10 AM EDT
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Wednesday at 5pm, I don't know if they're going to call it a night or not. As far as I know they can go all night if they want to, it's up to the chamber.
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 1:31:07 AM EDT
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Technically, things will get more difficult for those bills that are not out of their respective committees and on the calendar by 19 February @ 1700 hours.

There are procedural maneuverings that can allow bills to be pulled to the floor for a vote at any time, however that is not an easy thing to do - especially if there is little to no support for those bills!!

This is why it is important for all of us to continue calling and emailing our reps (and all of the reps for that matter) regarding SHB 2240.

Next major cut off is 19 February @ 1700 hours - we are close but DO NOT back off the throttle!!

End of session is 12 March!!

We CAN do this!!
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 4:35:37 PM EDT
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If we avoid a ban this year, don't let your guard.
This is a short session this year with a long session next.

These freedom hating socialists will continue to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks.
Just like the environmentalist groups did when trying to close the Centralia steam plant because of climate change.

After years of attempts, they banded their resources together and were successful in 2011.
One unit goes offline this year with the second due to shut down in 2025.
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If we avoid a ban this year, don't let your guard.
This is a short session this year with a long session next.

These freedom hating socialists will continue to throw shit against the wall to see what sticks.
Just like the environmentalist groups did when trying to close the Centralia steam plant because of climate change.

After years of attempts, they banded their resources together and were successful in 2011.
One unit goes offline this year with the second due to shut down in 2025.
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Definitely not.  This will keep coming up until they either loose (insert joke about icebergs in hell), or find something new to panic over.  Where are my harmless bright, shiny objects...
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 8:25:00 PM EDT
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I would let Representative Jesse Young swing by the house and bang the gf. What a stud. I bet he has to carry around his balls in a wheelbarrow.

His amendments are literally an all out assault on the teeth of this thing. From what I gather with all the proposed amendments the end state of 2240 is that it's illegal to commit a felony with a high capacity magazine. That's about it.
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I would let Representative Jesse Young swing by the house and bang the gf. What a stud. I bet he has to carry around his balls in a wheelbarrow.

His amendments are literally an all out assault on the teeth of this thing. From what I gather with all the proposed amendments the end state of 2240 is that it's illegal to commit a felony with a high capacity magazine. That's about it.
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SHB 2240 has 120 floor amendments attached to it.  If SHB 2240 gets called to the floor for a vote, each amendment author gets three minutes to speak about EACH amendment.  That's six hours of testimony that will eat up valuable time between now and 1700 hours tomorrow.

Please - DO NOT take this as a sign to let up on the pressure!!

Keep calling and emailing your reps!!
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 9:20:33 PM EDT
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More action taken today.  Always want to call out the folks on our side:

"Hi, Uberdog.

I have pointed this out to my Democrat colleagues on several occasions.  Still they turn a blind eye and forge ahead with these unconstitutional proposals. THANK YOU for your diligence.  Please keep it up!  Obviously, I will be a huge NO.

Yours in service,

LYNDASIGNATURE
Senator Lynda Wilson

17th Legislative District

Olympia Office - 110 Irv Newhouse Building

PO Box 40417 - Olympia, WA 98504

* [email protected]  ( 360.786.7632"
Link Posted: 2/18/2020 11:49:51 PM EDT
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"Son is that a 30 round mag"? This old thang? It's a 10 round mag for my 458 socom.
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 12:13:17 AM EDT
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Should I be contacting the WA House Reps right now re: HB 2240 or should I be contacting the WA Senate about SB 6077?

I already emailed the house members about HB 2240 on Saturday.

I'm not clear who I need to be contacting right now.  Help.
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 1:23:42 AM EDT
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HB 2240 is on the floor for a vote.

SB 6077 is one step behind in rules and must be put on the floor.

Either are technically possible. But one has to pass a floor vote by EOD tomorrow or they both die short of chicanery by leaders to ignore cutoff dates and revive it.

2240 has had a bazillion amendments added which does make it the less likely candidate. Presumably senators would do the same thing if Senate rules puts it on the calendar tomorrow but I don't think they can so long as it's still in committee. Let's just hope they both don't go anywhere tomorrow and they die.

ETA: Sorry fixed up my numbers. Long day.
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 1:29:38 AM EDT
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails



Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district.

Representative Mike Chapman

24th Legislative District

On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received.

I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent.

There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best.

Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I  know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible.

The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said:
This would unduly burden law enforcement
Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible
It criminalizes lawfully owned property
Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you)
Again, a response is respectfully requested.

Digger440

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On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices.

A response is respectfully requested.

Digger440
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails



Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district.

Representative Mike Chapman

24th Legislative District

On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received.

I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent.

There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best.

Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I  know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible.

The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said:
This would unduly burden law enforcement
Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible
It criminalizes lawfully owned property
Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you)
Again, a response is respectfully requested.

Digger440

------- Original Message -------
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices.

A response is respectfully requested.

Digger440
Well he's chosen his side. Loudly and clearly.
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The Orange Mafia gives this worthless sack of shit an “A” grade.....

The American Conservative Union Foundation says he scores in the  “Coalition of the Radical Left”, voting less than a 10% of the time for conservative issues (his score was 0%.....)

He won 60/40 in both 2016 and 2018, so probably not going anywhere.
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HB 2044 is on the floor for a vote.

SB 6077 is one step behind in rules and must be put on the floor.

Either are technically possible. But one has to pass a floor vote by EOD tomorrow or they both die short of chicanery by leaders to ignore cutoff dates and revive it.

2044 has had a bazillion amendments added which does make it the less like candidate. Presumably senators would do the same thing if Senate rules puts it on the calendar tomorrow but I don't think they can so long as it's still in committee. Let's just hope they both don't go anywhere tomorrow and they die.
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Thanks.
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The Orange Mafia gives this worthless sack of shit an “A” grade.....

The American Conservative Union Foundation says he scores in the  “Coalition of the Radical Left”, voting less than a 10% of the time for conservative issues (his score was 0%.....)

He won 60/40 in both 2016 and 2018, so probably not going anywhere.
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails
The Orange Mafia gives this worthless sack of shit an “A” grade.....

The American Conservative Union Foundation says he scores in the  “Coalition of the Radical Left”, voting less than a 10% of the time for conservative issues (his score was 0%.....)

He won 60/40 in both 2016 and 2018, so probably not going anywhere.
Trust me, I knew all that but as so far, he is the only response I have received. Van De Wege is by far a more important audience.
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails



Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district.

Representative Mike Chapman

24th Legislative District

On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received.

I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent.

There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best.

Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I  know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible.

The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said:
This would unduly burden law enforcement
Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible
It criminalizes lawfully owned property
Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you)
Again, a response is respectfully requested.

Digger440

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On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices.

A response is respectfully requested.

Digger440
The constitution is too inconvenient to mention in his reply.  Nope, it's all "how I feelz about it", & that's as far as it intellectually goes.

I swear, there is zero sense of legal responsibility - as in, holding one's self accountable to the oath of office & the actual law that oath refers to - in the collective legislatures in this country.  No one dares have an honest discussion about the content of the 2A & writings of the framers with respect to it.

You don't see speech rights being parsed & finagled anywhere near as much, although I'm sure exceptions will be in order for "nonconformitive" speech in the not-too-distant future.
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The constitution is too inconvenient to mention in his reply.  Nope, it's all "how I feelz about it", & that's as far as it intellectually goes.

I swear, there is zero sense of legal responsibility - as in, holding one's self accountable to the oath of office & the actual law that oath refers to - in the collective legislatures in this country.  No one dares have an honest discussion about the content of the 2A & writings of the framers with respect to it.

You don't see speech rights being parsed & finagled anywhere near as much, although I'm sure exceptions will be in order for "nonconformitive" speech in the not-too-distant future.
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The letter I posted in the goal post 1 thread from myself and 12 other law enforcement officers finally got a response from 24th district Rep Chapman it only took a printed copy and 2 emails



Digger440, I’ve received your letter. You and I couldn’t disagree more on this issue. As a former law enforcement officer I hope and pray you never have to respond to a mass shooter with hundreds of rounds of ammo. As your representative I will do everything I can do to eliminate the chance that it ever happens in my legislative district.

Representative Mike Chapman

24th Legislative District

On Feb 15, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Approximately 25 days ago I sent the below email with an attached letter signed by 12 other law enforcement officers from my 24th district law enforcement agency. A printed copy of the letter was also sent to each of your respective offices through the United States Postal Service. In the previous email I requested a response which has not been received.

I am contacting you again because the SHB2240/SB6077 has been updated and I am urging you to vote no when the bill comes to the floor. The update to the bill does not change anything addressed in the letters you were sent.

There are several issues with this bill that will harm law enforcement should it pass. Washington state has no systems in place or plans to make one in order to register existing magazines. The burden on law enforcement, should one ever be implemented, would be extreme. Magazines are not serialized components making whatever registration scheme fallible at best.

Under SHB2240/SB6077 owners would have to prove that they owned the magazines before the the bill was passed. This is impossible and essentially criminalizes hundreds of thousands of Washington gun owners for not keeping receipts for items purchased that were legal to own at the time of purchase. Personally, I have never kept a receipt for a magazine and nobody that I  know has. Magazines are also not serialized components and only some manufacturers stamp date codes making definitive investigation for a court case impossible.

The Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs Mass Shooting Work Group did not make a magazine capacity limit one of its recommendations for reducing mass shootings for good reason, because it will not work. Please hear your 24th district, commissioned law enforcement voters when it is said:
This would unduly burden law enforcement
Equal enforcement would be difficult to impossible
It criminalizes lawfully owned property
Scientific research has shown that this approach does not work to reduce violence (studies cited are in the letter sent to you)
Again, a response is respectfully requested.

Digger440

------- Original Message -------
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:21 AM, Digger440 wrote:

Senator Van De Wege, Representative Chapman, and Representative Tharinger,

Please see the attached letter regarding HB2240/SB6077 and HB2241/SB6076. Printed copies will also be mailed to your respective offices.

A response is respectfully requested.

Digger440
The constitution is too inconvenient to mention in his reply.  Nope, it's all "how I feelz about it", & that's as far as it intellectually goes.

I swear, there is zero sense of legal responsibility - as in, holding one's self accountable to the oath of office & the actual law that oath refers to - in the collective legislatures in this country.  No one dares have an honest discussion about the content of the 2A & writings of the framers with respect to it.

You don't see speech rights being parsed & finagled anywhere near as much, although I'm sure exceptions will be in order for "nonconformitive" speech in the not-too-distant future.
Man, you are preaching to the choir. While the state supreme court has handed down so many decisions that has fucked over law enforcement I have been personally at peace with the decisions.

Our state constitution is well worded and case law keeps "the man" out of your business without a warrant in almost everything.

But, the state supreme court lost whatever credibility (which wasn't much) when it said that the voters didnt understand I976. My question is did they understand I1639?

Our system is moribund and broken, federally and locally. The state of Washington is completely beholden to the I-5 corridor
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