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Posted: 6/15/2019 6:49:04 AM EDT
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Any idea on pricing?
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:33:14 AM EDT
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DSI out of NY has a 12.5” AR with a brace thats now legal in NJ and considered a “firearm” and not an NFA item. NJSP Approved and comes with a letter from them. Savage Cerakote in Spotswood NJ is taking orders on them. Edit: also Troy industries is releasing one as wel Dark Storm Industries.  Attached FileDSI VARIANT ONE NON NFA FIREARM 5.56 #dsi-var1-fa5-blk |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 11:08:08 AM EDT
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Here is a link. Looks pretty cool. MSRP is $1,195.
https://www.dark-storm.com/dsi/ds-15/ds-15-typhoon-rifles/dark-storm-ds-15-non-nfa-firearm-typhoon-5.56-black/ |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 11:14:37 AM EDT
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Hmmmm so a stripped lower is transferred as an other, what would be put on a NJ coe for this?
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Posted: 6/15/2019 2:16:18 PM EDT
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Hmmmm so a stripped lower is transferred as an other, what would be put on a NJ coe for this? I'd like to see the letter from the NJSP FIU or NJAG first. |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:13:17 PM EDT
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Im not sure how it would work for stripped lowers.
But the DSI is $1200 and the Troy is around the same. Im willing to bet a few other companies will jump on the bandwagon soon |
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Posted: 6/15/2019 8:43:54 PM EDT
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More choices for the NJ folks. A positive note.
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Posted: 6/16/2019 11:52:27 AM EDT
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dont see where this would be legal with the weight restrictions on pistols or the barrel shroud
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Posted: 6/16/2019 12:22:22 PM EDT
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Not considered a pistol. Manufactured as an “other firearm”. Has to have the forward grip to remain an other firearm.
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Posted: 6/16/2019 12:35:33 PM EDT
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interesting...so no pistol permit then.
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Posted: 6/16/2019 12:53:59 PM EDT
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FPID and COE required if the same treatment as the shockwaves.
Oh, and no AW Ban compliance, which only addresses riles, shotguns and handguns. Good Luck. 
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Posted: 6/18/2019 1:28:38 PM EDT
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Just build your own.
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Posted: 6/18/2019 1:54:27 PM EDT
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Dupe. I brought this up a couple months ago and was shit on for it...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Other-AR15-in-NJ/50-633436/ |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 2:24:37 PM EDT
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Just build your own. |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 3:36:40 PM EDT
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I need this!! Smooth bore how it’s deemed firearm?
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Posted: 6/18/2019 4:16:43 PM EDT
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I need this!! Smooth bore how it’s deemed firearm? Not a pistol since it's not designed to be fired with one hand due to the vertical foregrip... And not a rifle because it's not meant to be shouldered due to the brace. so it's not a pistol not a rifle therefore not covered under any laws |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 4:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha this is a fully rifled barrel. Not a pistol since it's not designed to be fired with one hand due to the vertical foregrip... And not a rifle because it's not meant to be shouldered due to the brace. so it's not a pistol not a rifle therefore not covered under any laws |
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Posted: 6/18/2019 5:38:23 PM EDT
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Dupe. I brought this up a couple months ago and was shit on for it... https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Other-AR15-in-NJ/50-633436/
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Posted: 6/26/2019 10:24:19 AM EDT
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so confused......
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Posted: 6/26/2019 11:53:17 AM EDT
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Me too...
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Posted: 6/26/2019 12:40:33 PM EDT
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It's pretty simple actually:
Two grips = not "designed to be fired by the use of a single hand" = not a handgun Brace = not "designed to be fired from the shoulder" = not a rifle Over 26" OAL = not "capable of being concealed on the person" = not an AOW ETA: Nothing in NJ law actually prohibits owning an AOW. By this same logic if someone was to sell one of these with say a 7.5" barrel that would be under 26" OAL and an AOW requiring a $5 NFA stamp to transfer, but it should still be legal in NJ being that it isn't "made from a rifle or a shotgun." |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 1:12:10 PM EDT
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It's pretty simple actually: Two grips = not "designed to be fired by the use of a single hand" = not a handgun Brace = not "designed to be fired from the shoulder" = not a rifle Over 26" OAL = not "capable of being concealed on the person" = not an AOW ETA: Nothing in NJ law actually prohibits owning an AOW. By this same logic if someone was to sell one of these with say a 7.5" barrel that would be under 26" OAL and an AOW requiring a $5 NFA stamp to transfer, but it should still be legal in NJ being that it isn't "made from a rifle or a shotgun." Sign me the f*ck up! |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 1:25:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, all I have to do is declare the AR10 and AR15 lowers that are coming in next week to my FFL as "other firearms" and I am good to build anything as long as it is over 26" with vfg and brace? Sign me the f*ck up! But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 4:32:10 PM EDT
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Correct. But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So, all I have to do is declare the AR10 and AR15 lowers that are coming in next week to my FFL as "other firearms" and I am good to build anything as long as it is over 26" with vfg and brace? Sign me the f*ck up! But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 11:58:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2019 1:12:58 PM EDT
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I think on the safer side of things I would prefer to use lower purchased and transferred after the date of the letter sent to Troy from the NJSP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: So, all I have to do is declare the AR10 and AR15 lowers that are coming in next week to my FFL as "other firearms" and I am good to build anything as long as it is over 26" with vfg and brace? Sign me the f*ck up! But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 1:35:34 PM EDT
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To each his own.. kinda silly if you ask me. It's not like the letter suddenly legalized these others...if they are legal, they were legal before and after the letter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: So, all I have to do is declare the AR10 and AR15 lowers that are coming in next week to my FFL as "other firearms" and I am good to build anything as long as it is over 26" with vfg and brace? Sign me the f*ck up! But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 1:59:58 PM EDT
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It called good faith and I think it would have some merit in any possible court proceedings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: So, all I have to do is declare the AR10 and AR15 lowers that are coming in next week to my FFL as "other firearms" and I am good to build anything as long as it is over 26" with vfg and brace? Sign me the f*ck up! But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. All good though. Glad this is an option for all of us behind enemy lines. Now if you guys can just get concealed carry in NJ! |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 8:05:29 PM EDT
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Guys lets not forget PK Firearms (I think its been long enough) the SP issued a letter saying the M1 carbines he was selling were " GTG" and again lets not forget... HE HAD TO GET THEM ALL BACK BECAUSE THE SP CHANGED THEIR MINDS!
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Posted: 6/28/2019 6:12:26 AM EDT
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Guys lets not forget PK Firearms (I think its been long enough) the SP issued a letter saying the M1 carbines he was selling were " GTG" and again lets not forget... HE HAD TO GET THEM ALL BACK BECAUSE THE SP CHANGED THEIR MINDS! However, you are dead on about the SP changing their mind.............it's tough when you share a brain. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 8:05:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the NJSP would have a hell of a time getting all these new "other firearms" back as most of them will be assembled by their owner. However, you are dead on about the SP changing their mind.............it's tough when you share a brain. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 2:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the best alternative is to build one . What is this item's legality in " Free America" ?
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Posted: 8/11/2019 3:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're perfectly legal here in PA, out here it's even legal to remove the grip which makes it a handgun rather than the "firearm" configuration it must be in for NJ. Since the barrel length is under 15" it's even legal to carry concealed as well |
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Posted: 8/16/2019 8:43:28 AM EDT
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I have question about these "other" firearms. If one is to shoulder this "other" firearm how does the brace compare to that of a regular stock ? And how much shorter is the overall ength of this compared to the shortest AR15 rifle one could normally have in New Jersey ?
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Posted: 9/5/2019 3:01:05 PM EDT
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Here is a link. Looks pretty cool. MSRP is $1,195. https://www.dark-storm.com/dsi/ds-15/ds-15-typhoon-rifles/dark-storm-ds-15-non-nfa-firearm-typhoon-5.56-black/ |
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Posted: 9/16/2019 12:35:41 PM EDT
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My question is, would there be an issues swapping the upper out on one of these granted its still legal length. I dont see why not
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Posted: 9/16/2019 4:39:26 PM EDT
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My question is, would there be an issues swapping the upper out on one of these granted its still legal length. I dont see why not
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Posted: 9/18/2019 8:52:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. But a stripped lower is by default transferred to you as an "other" anyway...it can't be transferred as a rifle or pistol. So all those stripped lowers you've bought the past 10 years...you never built those into rifles right? So those can be made into these "other" guns too...Actually I am not sure...even if you did make them into rifles, they probably can be made into "others" still...But check on that. Either way you are good to go. Quoted:
My question is, would there be an issues swapping the upper out on one of these granted its still legal length. I dont see why not |
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Posted: 9/22/2019 7:04:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:12:04 PM EDT
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Receiver Only. I'd like to see the letter from the NJSP FIU or NJAG first. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both letters. Don’t have the ability to attach here tho. Very specific terminology, I’m not a lawyer or wordsmith but, I’d be real careful building one.. just say’in |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:20:22 PM EDT
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I know dealers are just trying to get you to buy their shit but most of them say you cant modify it and cant build one yourself and has to come from the factory. But as stated above, a stripped lower is transferred as an Other, so...
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Posted: 9/28/2019 4:40:18 AM EDT
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I know dealers are just trying to get you to buy their shit but most of them say you cant modify it and cant build one yourself and has to come from the factory. But as stated above, a stripped lower is transferred as an Other, so... |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 12:12:47 AM EDT
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I would like to build one of these. Can someone please let me know for sure if i can use one of the two lowers i have to build one of these on?
I really dont like either the troy or modern material other weapons configuration. I want one but im not clear on whats legal and whats not. Thanks. Jeff. |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 12:55:47 AM EDT
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I would like to build one of these. Can someone please let me know for sure if i can use one of the two lowers i have to build one of these on? I really dont like either the troy or modern material other weapons configuration. I want one but im not clear on whats legal and whats not. Thanks. Jeff. |
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