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Posted: 11/29/2018 4:28:16 PM EDT
Florida's Democrat Nikki Fried, the newly elected Commissioner of Agriculture & Consumer Services wants to move the concealed weapons permit system from her agency to and have it palced under the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. But Marion Hammer, NRA's former President and current lobbyist wants to fight that and move it to the Department of Financial Services and have Florida's Republican Chief Financial Officer, Jimmy Patronis assume the responsibility of the permitting system.
Freid recently reiterated her stance and blasted the NRA in a series of tweets.  The Tampa Bay Times reported this week that Senate Democrats are drafting language to support Fried's proposal to move the program to the FDLE. "Democratic state Sens. Lauren Book and Linda Stewart have drafted a bill proposing the Division of Licensing be moved from the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement." Originally the system was under the Department of State, but in 2002; that changed when the office went from an elected position to an appointed one. When Shall Issue concealed carry passed in 1987, it replaced the quagmire that was the original 67 county based permitting system. The NRA fought to have it placed under a duly elected position and not FDLE since at the time, the state police agency was known to be a political hotbed that didn't exactly favor civil liberties then just as it is today. Personally, I would much rather have our CCW permit system be placed under Patronis than Freid. But in reality, the best way to resolve this would be to pass Constitutional Carry in Florida. But with Anti-Gun Republican Senate President Bill Galvano. I doubt that such a bill would ever reach Gov. DeSantis' desk. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:36:22 PM EDT
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If she cant handle the job she should step down!
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Posted: 11/29/2018 10:17:16 PM EDT
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Yeah, I don't want FDLE anywhere near the CCW system.
Hopefully the new Gov does something to help with the situation. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 1:18:29 PM EDT
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Could you give us some examples of how FDLE has not favored civil liberties? NRA wanted to move CWFL to department of agriculture because they thought it was a safe office (with rural folks mainly voting). That strategy worked great until it didn’t, I could see CFO not being a great place for CWFL in the future. On paper, particularly in 2018 political climate it seems, short of constitunal carry, FDLE handling CWFL seems like the common sense department to be handling the issue... And I know if that is my thought process, I can only imagine what your average joe on the street thinks, by constantly switching it to all these oddball departments it sure as hell does make the GOP appear to be “playing politics” with the issue, I can absolutely see this being a vulnerability in future elections, shifting a few “swing” voters in a state with a history of razor thin elections.
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Posted: 12/1/2018 3:31:43 PM EDT
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Could you give us some examples of how FDLE has not favored civil liberties? NRA wanted to move CWFL to department of agriculture because they thought it was a safe office (with rural folks mainly voting). That strategy worked great until it didn’t, I could see CFO not being a great place for CWFL in the future. On paper, particularly in 2018 political climate it seems, short of constitunal carry, FDLE handling CWFL seems like the common sense department to be handling the issue... And I know if that is my thought process, I can only imagine what your average joe on the street thinks, by constantly switching it to all these oddball departments it sure as hell does make the GOP appear to be “playing politics” with the issue, I can absolutely see this being a vulnerability in future elections, shifting a few “swing” voters in a state with a history of razor thin elections. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 3:38:41 PM EDT
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Could you give us some examples of how FDLE has not favored civil liberties? NRA wanted to move CWFL to department of agriculture because they thought it was a safe office (with rural folks mainly voting). That strategy worked great until it didn't, I could see CFO not being a great place for CWFL in the future. On paper, particularly in 2018 political climate it seems, short of constitunal carry, FDLE handling CWFL seems like the common sense department to be handling the issue... And I know if that is my thought process, I can only imagine what your average joe on the street thinks, by constantly switching it to all these oddball departments it sure as hell does make the GOP appear to be "playing politics" with the issue, I can absolutely see this being a vulnerability in future elections, shifting a few "swing" voters in a state with a history of razor thin elections. It isn't a good thing in FL for such an agency to run CCWs. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 4:52:26 PM EDT
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FDLE is a very political agency. The head of the agency is not elected but appointed. They run the background system for gun purchases grudgingly. In the LE community, FDLE is known as Forget Doing Law Enforcement and are not held to a high regard. It isn't a good thing in FL for such an agency to run CCWs. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 9:25:48 AM EDT
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I've often wondered why the Dept. of Agriculture has jurisdiction over CWL here in Florida. I'm not convinced that handing it over to FDLE would be a bad move. Someone explain??
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Posted: 12/2/2018 9:28:12 AM EDT
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I've often wondered why the Dept. of Agriculture has jurisdiction over CWL here in Florida. I'm not convinced that handing it over to FDLE would be a bad move. Someone explain?? |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 10:06:30 AM EDT
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I'd sure like to see the manifesto/playbook that Fried and the rest of the DummieCrats have been indoctrinated with in order that I/We may prepare for the future infringements coming our way.
Thank God DeSantis is governor and not Gillum. Can you imagine the free for all if that would have happened. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 10:34:52 AM EDT
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If she's not comfortable managing the CWL process why did she run for that office? That should be the question.
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Posted: 12/2/2018 12:42:23 PM EDT
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Who was in charge in 1986 when we became shall issue?
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Posted: 12/2/2018 1:27:51 PM EDT
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Who was in charge in 1986 when we became shall issue? Anyways, so in 2002, it was moved to the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services under the Agriculture Commissioner. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 1:35:11 PM EDT
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FDLE is a very political agency. The head of the agency is not elected but appointed. They run the background system for gun purchases grudgingly. In the LE community, FDLE is known as Forget Doing Law Enforcement and are not held to a high regard. It isn't a good thing in FL for such an agency to run CCWs. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 4:23:28 PM EDT
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Could you give us some examples of how FDLE has not favored civil liberties? NRA wanted to move CWFL to department of agriculture because they thought it was a safe office (with rural folks mainly voting). That strategy worked great until it didn’t, I could see CFO not being a great place for CWFL in the future. On paper, particularly in 2018 political climate it seems, short of constitunal carry, FDLE handling CWFL seems like the common sense department to be handling the issue... And I know if that is my thought process, I can only imagine what your average joe on the street thinks, by constantly switching it to all these oddball departments it sure as hell does make the GOP appear to be “playing politics” with the issue, I can absolutely see this being a vulnerability in future elections, shifting a few “swing” voters in a state with a history of razor thin elections. No way, shape or form do I want any LEO agency involved in the oversight of a Constitutional Right!................and Damned sure not one that aspires to more and more centralized power! And by the way, I'm a retired LEO/CLEO!!! |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 5:43:58 PM EDT
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If she's not comfortable managing the CWL process why did she run for that office? That should be the question. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 6:37:14 PM EDT
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I've often wondered why the Dept. of Agriculture has jurisdiction over CWL here in Florida. I'm not convinced that handing it over to FDLE would be a bad move. Someone explain?? 
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Posted: 12/2/2018 6:44:29 PM EDT
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Dept. of Agriculture and Commercial Services. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've often wondered why the Dept. of Agriculture has jurisdiction over CWL here in Florida. I'm not convinced that handing it over to FDLE would be a bad move. Someone explain?? |
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Posted: 12/3/2018 12:20:20 AM EDT
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......and licensing.
They're also responsible for ensuring gasoline pumps are properly calibrated. |
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Posted: 12/3/2018 3:19:40 AM EDT
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I think as bad as it sounds the best bet is to leave the CWL process under Fried for the next 4yrs. Yes she can make it tough for a few years but in 4yrs we will have a strong possibility of getting rid of her if she pisses off enough CWL holders by making the process a huge PITA.
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Posted: 12/3/2018 11:49:07 AM EDT
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I think as bad as it sounds the best bet is to leave the CWL process under Fried for the next 4yrs. Yes she can make it tough for a few years but in 4yrs we will have a strong possibility of getting rid of her if she pisses off enough CWL holders by making the process a huge PITA. She wants it moved to law enforcement because she (rightly) believes it's a step towards registration and further regulation. It should be left as is and The NRA should involve itself in actually advancing our gun rights rather than obliging a democratic party commissioner of agriculture who wants to play games with licensing. |
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Posted: 12/3/2018 1:51:07 PM EDT
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One must admit the Dept. of Agriculture has done an excellent job of processing the permits. Why fix what's not broken?
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Posted: 12/3/2018 2:07:54 PM EDT
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One must admit the Dept. of Agriculture has done an excellent job of processing the permits. Why fix what's not broken? The existing proficient staff, offices, and the necessary equipment are currently all in place at DOA, and Fried's true goal, is to introduce difficulties, delays, and chaos. |
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Posted: 12/3/2018 3:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can damn sure give you an answer, and a quick one at that in terms of bias....................Way, back, shortly after FDLE was formed one of it's first moves was an attempt to forbid the possession of automatic weapons by ANYONE...........other than themselves..........To my recollection the proposal, that went utterly no place, did not even provide for such items to be held by other LEO agencies.... No way, shape or form do I want any LEO agency involved in the oversight of a Constitutional Right!................and Damned sure not one that aspires to more and more centralized power! And by the way, I'm a retired LEO/CLEO!!! |
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Posted: 12/3/2018 3:37:45 PM EDT
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One must admit the Dept. of Agriculture has done an excellent job of processing the permits. Why fix what's not broken? |
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Posted: 12/4/2018 7:25:07 AM EDT
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Give it back to Charles Bronson
Here's my old CWL 
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Posted: 12/4/2018 9:50:35 AM EDT
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Give it back to Charles Bronson Here's my old CWL https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Charles-Bronson-Concealed-Carry-Permit-257526.jpg 
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Posted: 12/4/2018 10:20:56 AM EDT
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It seems to me that if a "Bill" is being drafted then the Florida legislature has to approve. Since the republicans control both houses should we be worried? Just asking?
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Posted: 12/4/2018 1:57:06 PM EDT
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It seems to me that if a "Bill" is being drafted then the Florida legislature has to approve. Since the republicans control both houses should we be worried? Just asking? |
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Posted: 12/4/2018 2:15:28 PM EDT
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With Bill Galvani running the senate and people like Anitere Flores in the senate? I'd say a bill loving it to FDLE is likely to leave the senate, Ron DeSantis is unlikely to sign it. The question is, can they over ride his veto? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems to me that if a "Bill" is being drafted then the Florida legislature has to approve. Since the republicans control both houses should we be worried? Just asking? |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 2:01:09 PM EDT
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Keep the FDLE far away from the CCW permit system!!
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Posted: 12/11/2018 6:35:05 AM EDT
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Not signing and vetoing are two different things. If DeSantis simply doesn't sign it, it becomes law after fifteen days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems to me that if a "Bill" is being drafted then the Florida legislature has to approve. Since the republicans control both houses should we be worried? Just asking? |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 7:35:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling the felon voting right has permanently turned FL blue, that we will not see DeSantis or many of the republicans re-elected and that those who are in office should do what they can to help preserve the rights that we have without compromise as I don't think minor appeasement will improve anyone's chances of remaining in office. |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 1:55:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling the felon voting right has permanently turned FL blue, that we will not see DeSantis or many of the republicans re-elected and that those who are in office should do what they can to help preserve the rights that we have without compromise as I don't think minor appeasement will improve anyone's chances of remaining in office. Other than that single issue I can't think of any rational reason that the state elected Nikki Fried while all the other offices went to Republicans. Her only qualification was that she was a lobbyist for the medical marijuana industry. Tbh I still don't see how her election was even possible. |
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Posted: 12/15/2018 11:36:58 AM EDT
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......and licensing. They're also responsible for ensuring gasoline pumps are properly calibrated. |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 5:32:01 PM EDT
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......and licensing. They're also responsible for ensuring gasoline pumps are properly calibrated. We have two state certified scales at the facility I work at. Same stickers that gas pumps have are stuck on them and the state man comes out periodically, unannounced to check them for accuracy. |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 5:35:03 PM EDT
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I have a feeling the felon voting right has permanently turned FL blue, that we will not see DeSantis or many of the republicans re-elected and that those who are in office should do what they can to help preserve the rights that we have without compromise as I don't think minor appeasement will improve anyone's chances of remaining in office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems to me that if a "Bill" is being drafted then the Florida legislature has to approve. Since the republicans control both houses should we be worried? Just asking? #twofloridas #seperation |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 5:46:02 PM EDT
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I can see Fried getting her way and getting out of the CCW process while afterwards, Marion "our bills weren't defeated, they just didnt make it all the way through the legislative process" Hammer does her victory strut because it doesn't go to FDLE.
The process is working exceptionally smoothly and it needs to remain exactly where it is. |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 7:35:18 PM EDT
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If she's not comfortable managing the CWL process why did she run for that office? That should be the question. I don't even consider someone like her to be a democrat. Just a leftists doing what she has been trained to do. |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 7:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Other than that single issue I can't think of any rational reason that the state elected Nikki Fried while all the other offices went to Republicans. Her only qualification was that she was a lobbyist for the medical marijuana industry. Tbh I still don't see how her election was even possible. "The Democrat from Miami narrowly defeated state Rep. Matt Caldwell by 6,753 votes after a manual recount." -The Ledger |
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