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Posted: 7/6/2022 3:29:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't read the law yet but if you lose your permit I guarantee sheriff investigators will be coming to your house looking to make sure you get rid of your pistols. @aimless I think there was a less than 15%(and I think it was less than 10 actually) recertification rate. Half the people I know didn't even know it was a thing. So my idea is in place already they just aren't talking about it. I know tons of people who have never done it. So now it's doubly secretly illegal? Show me on my card where it expires. Article from a couple years ago |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 4:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @aimless I think there was a less than 15%(and I think it was less than 10 actually) recertification rate. Half the people I know didn't even know it was a thing. So my idea is in place already they just aren't talking about it. I know tons of people who have never done it. So now it's doubly secretly illegal? Show me on my card where it expires. Article from a couple years ago The counties will be tasked with reviewing all of their permits. You can bet they'll be focusing on deceased permit holders who've slipped through the cracks as well as people who didn't send their recert paperwork to the state. I have no doubt that the state is hellbent now on weeding out as many permit holders as they possibly can. They haven't trusted the counties to maintain accurate records, which is why they adopted this whole recertification thing a few years ago. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 4:52:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 and while 16 hours of classroom is a bit excessive, I don't disagree with a good half day course including handling and firing a real handgun. There are many who get a permit that don't know how to use it and seek zero training. I can imagine it will be difficult for a non-experienced gun owner trying to qualify with a snub nose or LCP. If and when I have to take the class, I will be qualifying with my Ruger standard 22LR, the most accurate handgun I own. I am sure it will soon be found that there is no possible way even with training programs and ranges running every day of the week for the next year that they will be able to train and qualify every NYS pistol permit holder. Many issuing authorities can't even keep up with new applications how the hell are they going to get this figured out... Time will tell...  Not everyone who get a Licenses has any intent on carrying at all; there are those simply want to own a Handgun, perhaps want to Hunt or like to shoot, there are a myriad of reasons besides "self defense" The entire system should be scrapped and if someone wants a Licenses to carry it should be granted the same as most every other State. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 6:23:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not everyone who get a Licenses has any intent on carrying at all; there are those simply want to own a Handgun, perhaps want to Hunt or like to shoot, there are a myriad of reasons besides "self defense" The entire system should be scrapped and if someone wants a Licenses to carry it should be granted the same as most every other State. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: +1 and while 16 hours of classroom is a bit excessive, I don't disagree with a good half day course including handling and firing a real handgun. There are many who get a permit that don't know how to use it and seek zero training. I can imagine it will be difficult for a non-experienced gun owner trying to qualify with a snub nose or LCP. If and when I have to take the class, I will be qualifying with my Ruger standard 22LR, the most accurate handgun I own. I am sure it will soon be found that there is no possible way even with training programs and ranges running every day of the week for the next year that they will be able to train and qualify every NYS pistol permit holder. Many issuing authorities can't even keep up with new applications how the hell are they going to get this figured out... Time will tell... Not everyone who get a Licenses has any intent on carrying at all; there are those simply want to own a Handgun, perhaps want to Hunt or like to shoot, there are a myriad of reasons besides "self defense" The entire system should be scrapped and if someone wants a Licenses to carry it should be granted the same as most every other State. I don't disagree with you. I have family that do just that. I wonder how many folks in NY will just not bother like the recert. Judges and counties are going to be put in a bad spot if they start revoking thousands of permits. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 8:56:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No live fire requirements in Tompkins Some of my people from Cortland county tell me they initially get a restricted permit and can take a class to get the overstamp removed. Tompkins has refused to issue unrestricted permit since the mid 80swgen a CCW protected himself against muggers I've never heard of anybody in Cortland getting a restricted permit at least since like 2005 on. Depending on which class you take (there is several approved) they may have them do live fire, mine did. |
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Posted: 7/6/2022 11:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could legally "own" a handgun at 19 but you could not legally purchase one from a dealer. I also received my permit at 19 and my first handgun was a NYPD Model 10 .38 Special gifted me by my Dad. He picked it up off one of his cops that was retiring and didn't want his duty revolver anymore for the princely sum of $25. My dad bought a S&W Model 17 from his uncle when he got his permit at 18. He has an unrestricted and said some Fudd gun shop owner tried to take his pistol away from him when he was 19 or 20, and told him he wasn't supposed to have a handgun and that it was illegal. I think he was holster shopping or something, and the guy asked to see the gun to see if it would fit, and also asked to see his permit. My dad threatened to call the cops on the guy and he gave him his gun back. |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 7:40:40 AM EDT
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I just got mine yesterday with no restrictions
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Posted: 7/7/2022 8:16:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got mine yesterday with no restrictions What County? |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 4:21:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What County? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just got mine yesterday with no restrictions What County? Chautauqua |
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Posted: 7/7/2022 5:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be willing to bet the 16 hour class ends up as an online course. "an applicant shall complete an in-person live firearms safety course" |
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Posted: 7/8/2022 9:44:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The counties will be tasked with reviewing all of their permits. You can bet they'll be focusing on deceased permit holders who've slipped through the cracks as well as people who didn't send their recert paperwork to the state. I have no doubt that the state is hellbent now on weeding out as many permit holders as they possibly can. They haven't trusted the counties to maintain accurate records, which is why they adopted this whole recertification thing a few years ago. My buddy scratches his head, he didn't know this Luigi guy but my buddy is the only one in the family with a gun collection and pistol permit. He goes to bed figuring he'll call me when he gets up. He gets woken up by an Onondaga County Sheriff Dept investigator threatening to arrest him because the investigator knows he has this 32 and he better drive to Syracuse with the 32. He says "glad to help" hangs up and calls me and says there's no way he's going near this asshole. I take the 32 to a different sheriff, tell them who the dead guy is and give them the gun and get a receipt. I call the investigator and once he finds out the other agency has the gun he couldn't be happier. I fax him the receipt. He says he spends a bunch of his time tracking down dead people's guns and that the relative with the .32 has been ducking him for months. After dumping the gun on my buddy the investigator either gets called or coincidentally calls and is told my buddy has the pistol |
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