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Link Posted: 3/29/2014 8:19:01 AM EST
Quick question....now that sbr's are legal, do you no longer have to pin and weld a muzzle device on a 14.5 inch barrel, or do you have to get the tax stamp to have it just threaded on?
Link Posted: 3/29/2014 8:32:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gm2376:
Quick question....now that sbr's are legal, do you no longer have to pin and weld a muzzle device on a 14.5 inch barrel, or do you have to get the tax stamp to have it just threaded on?
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You'll need the tax stamp.

This only removes the State restriction and doesn't do anything about removing the Federal Requirements. If  you want a 14.5" with a removable muzzle device you need your tax stamp from the ATF.


NFA is still in full effect.
Link Posted: 3/29/2014 11:26:15 AM EST
Cool.  Thanks

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Originally Posted By SilentType:


You'll need the tax stamp.

This only removes the State restriction and doesn't do anything about removing the Federal Requirements. If  you want a 14.5" with a removable muzzle device you need your tax stamp from the ATF.


NFA is still in full effect.
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Originally Posted By gm2376:
Quick question....now that sbr's are legal, do you no longer have to pin and weld a muzzle device on a 14.5 inch barrel, or do you have to get the tax stamp to have it just threaded on?


You'll need the tax stamp.

This only removes the State restriction and doesn't do anything about removing the Federal Requirements. If  you want a 14.5" with a removable muzzle device you need your tax stamp from the ATF.


NFA is still in full effect.

Link Posted: 3/29/2014 10:33:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KK66:


Could you please elaborate more on the subject? (Cliff notes on what you know about it?)
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Originally Posted By KK66:
Originally Posted By rjbergen:
You could always set up an NFA trust. Before you submit any Form 1s or 4s, I'd make sure you fully understand the pros and cons of NFA trusts vs. individual ownership of NFA items.

Also, if you don't want to bother with finding an engraver, you can have a lower that's already been registered transferred to you. It's still $200 and the long wait, but it's already be 'made' and you don't have to bother with the engraving. Only the maker must engrave it, so buying a factory SBR lower eliminates that for you.


Could you please elaborate more on the subject? (Cliff notes on what you know about it?)

I'll provide a quick summary, but a lot more information can be found over in the Class 3 forums here.

Trusts do not require CLEO signatures, fingerprints, and photos. They also allow for anyone listed as a trustee to possess the registered item.

Individual ownership requires CLEO signature, fingerprints, and photos. Individuals may only be in possession of the registered item if the owner of the item is present.

The ATF currently has a proposal that would add CLEO signature, fingerprint, and phot requirements to trusts. This would be required of every trustee for every form submitted. This would make it a pain for trusts; however, I think at the current time trusts are a better option because they eliminate a lot of the hassle and allow others to possess the item.

The reason I say to make sure you understand the differences is that if you change your mind later, you need to pay another $200 to move the item from a trust to an individual or the opposite way around.
Link Posted: 3/30/2014 12:12:43 PM EST
Was finally able to successfully submit my Form 1 via e-file at about 1:00 last evening.

That is perhaps the most unreliable site I've ever dealt with.
Link Posted: 4/2/2014 10:29:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/5/2014 9:40:30 AM EST by greco]
...
Link Posted: 4/2/2014 10:51:07 AM EST
Oh happy day!
Now to figure out what I need to do to add a stock to my Krink...
Link Posted: 4/3/2014 11:24:12 PM EST
Well....3 Form 1s went out today. By this time next year I should be smiling.
Link Posted: 4/4/2014 2:35:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/4/2014 2:36:02 AM EST by Engel12626]
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Originally Posted By greco:
Well....3 Form 1s went out today. By this time next year I should be smiling.
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Link Posted: 4/6/2014 6:44:10 PM EST
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Three Form 1s delivered to BATFE today!!!  And the gun store called to say my Gemtech supressor paperwork approved today!!!
oh happy day (oh happy day)
oh happy day (oh happy day)
Link Posted: 4/7/2014 4:08:25 PM EST
So what do I need to do now in order to turn one of my regular carbines into an SBR with a 12" barrel??
Link Posted: 4/7/2014 4:14:25 PM EST
Send 2 Form 1s to BATFE along with 2 fingerprinf cards, two passport pictures and $200. Then sit and wait for approval.  Then buy a short barrel or upper. Piece of cake.
Link Posted: 4/7/2014 4:19:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By greco:
Send 2 Form 1s to BATFE along with 2 fingerprinf cards, two passport pictures and $200. Then sit and wait for approval.  Then buy a short barrel or upper. Piece of cake.
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where do I get these forms and fingerprint cards?

Link Posted: 4/7/2014 4:35:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/7/2014 4:37:11 PM EST by greco]
I down loaded the forms from the BATFE site on the I-net. Use the Form 1, for MAKING an NFA gun. Go to your local FBI office and get the BLUE fingerprint cards, not the ones with black lines. Then go to Walmart or some place that takes passport fotos. Get 2. Then send them a check. A PIA, but easy to do.
Link Posted: 4/7/2014 6:23:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/7/2014 6:23:49 PM EST by MichMan1]
After you download the application, please photocopy the front and back of the application to one sheet of paper. The National Firearms Act Branch will not accept the application if the front and back are submitted on separate pages.

Atf Fingerprint Order form

I think you need the official ATF NFA fingerprint cards FD-258LE.  Not just any cards will do.  Order several from ATF using the drop down bar in the link above.
Link Posted: 4/10/2014 9:19:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RobFromMichigan:


where do I get these forms and fingerprint cards?

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Originally Posted By RobFromMichigan:
Originally Posted By greco:
Send 2 Form 1s to BATFE along with 2 fingerprinf cards, two passport pictures and $200. Then sit and wait for approval.  Then buy a short barrel or upper. Piece of cake.


where do I get these forms and fingerprint cards?



Just call the ATF, request your respective packet (Form 1, Form 4), and they will send you everything you need.  Fingerprint cards, forms, etc.  Probably easiest part of the process.  I called yesterday, took 1 minute.

703-870-7526
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703-870-7528
Link Posted: 4/19/2014 7:20:22 PM EST
Supressors yet?  I guess it will be OK for a Texas resident will be able to temporarily have one in state as long as I have the requisite Federal Paperwork?
Link Posted: 4/19/2014 11:45:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By killintime:
Supressors yet?  I guess it will be OK for a Texas resident will be able to temporarily have one in state as long as I have the requisite Federal Paperwork?
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Supressors are good to go here in Michigan.
Link Posted: 5/8/2014 3:07:04 PM EST
I think the efile system is fucked up right now. it's only offering me to forms. Like 6 and 6a

wtf
Link Posted: 5/8/2014 6:51:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
I think the efile system is fucked up right now. it's only offering me to forms. Like 6 and 6a

wtf
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It's been like that for a while.  And may stay that way for a while.
Link Posted: 5/9/2014 9:10:15 AM EST
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It's been like that for a while.  And may stay that way for a while.
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Originally Posted By RasputinsMember:
I think the efile system is fucked up right now. it's only offering me to forms. Like 6 and 6a

wtf

It's been like that for a while.  And may stay that way for a while.

Yup. Your guess is as good as ours for when they'll get them back online. It is the federal government, so I wouldn't set the bar too high for them.

Take a bet: will if be faster to submit the paper forms and wait or will it be faster to wait for the e-file forms to come back, submit those, and the. Wait on the e-file which is supposed to be faster.
Link Posted: 5/22/2014 8:51:24 AM EST
My store in Traverse City just got MK18 SBR's in. I've been waiting for this all my life
Link Posted: 5/26/2014 7:49:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
My store in Traverse City just got MK18 SBR's in. I've been waiting for this all my life
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What store? I'm visitng TC this summer and wouldn't mind leaving some drool on their counters
Link Posted: 6/22/2014 5:54:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2014 8:24:26 AM EST
form 1 submitted 17 Aug,  approved 12 Sept !
If only suppressors were that quick :(

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Link Posted: 12/27/2014 12:43:32 PM EST
Re-read this thread, could not find definitive answer.

I submitted a Form 1 for SBR AR. According to the tutorial I followed, OAL ATF wants is with stock extended. SBR I'm building will be 26.5" with stock extended. Collapsing the stock will make it less than 26". Does it need to be registered with State of MI as a pistol?
Link Posted: 12/29/2014 8:19:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By heavily_armed:
Re-read this thread, could not find definitive answer.

I submitted a Form 1 for SBR AR. According to the tutorial I followed, OAL ATF wants is with stock extended. SBR I'm building will be 26.5" with stock extended. Collapsing the stock will make it less than 26". Does it need to be registered with State of MI as a pistol?
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Michigan OAL is with the stock in it's smallest configuration in other words with the stock fully collapsed so if it is 26 inches or under then you would have to have it registered as a pistol.
Link Posted: 9/19/2015 4:33:50 PM EST
what is the current wait time on a form 1 for sbr?  thanks!
Link Posted: 9/19/2015 8:53:41 PM EST
About four months.
Link Posted: 3/1/2016 2:08:14 PM EST
The silencershop tutorial on Form 1 with a trust says they want stock extended..but Michigan uses stock collapsed?

With the stock extended on my 10.5" AR pistol it'll be over 26".  But with the stock removed/collapsed it is right at 26" even...

So it'll be a SBR for feds (requiring $200 stamp) but a pistol for Mi (requiring registration)?
Link Posted: 3/1/2016 7:03:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By easy610:
The silencershop tutorial on Form 1 with a trust says they want stock extended..but Michigan uses stock collapsed?

With the stock extended on my 10.5" AR pistol it'll be over 26".  But with the stock removed/collapsed it is right at 26" even...

So it'll be a SBR for feds (requiring $200 stamp) but a pistol for Mi (requiring registration)?
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Yes that"s the way I read it.
Link Posted: 3/1/2016 7:11:20 PM EST
As defined under federal law, the firearm easy610 describes is a short barreled rifle, and not a pistol. The two terms there are mutually exclusive, under the federal definitions.

The MI definition of an SBR is nearly identical to the federal def. However, the state definition of a Pistol is not. It is possible to meet both definitions, and so you have to comply with laws relating to both.
Link Posted: 3/2/2016 10:28:19 AM EST
Thank you for input.

easysixonezero
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