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Posted: 3/14/2020 3:06:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 9:21:04 AM EDT by spartacus2002]
OPORDER

SITUATION:
--Interest among FL Arfcommers in Battle Buddies organization continues to grow.
--weather in Seminole is predicted to be low of 64F, high of 81F, and mostly cloudy.
--The Pinellas Trail is a flat asphalt-paved biking/hiking/running trail approximately 15-20 feet wide with a 10-foot wide grassy shoulder.  Runners/hikers stay to the right-hand side.  There may be one or two bridges with 20o inclined ramps to cross above four/six-lane roads.  There will be several crosswalks where we cross two-lane roads.

MISSION  
Florida Battle Buddies conducts a 6-mile hike on April 11, 2020 at 0900 on the Pinellas Trail at the trailhead/parking lot across the street from the house at 7166 118th St N Seminole, FL  33772 (the trailhead doesn't have its own address, so that's the best address I can find).

EXECUTION  
INTENT: The intent is to meet fellow Arfcommers, engage in physical fitness training through hiking and meet the hiking requirement for 3rd Class rating.
CONCEPT OF THE OPERATION:  Assembly Area is the parking lot.  Arrive at the parking lot not later than 0900 so we can get rucksacks weighed, safety brief completed, and step off not later than 0930.   NOTE: Rucksacks are NOT required! If you are physically unable to carry a rucksack, or to hike, but want to meet and network with your fellow Arfcommers, SHOW UP ANYWAY!
--We will hike 1.5 miles to the South and 1.5 miles back to Assembly Area at a minimum 3mph pace, then hike 1.5 miles to the North and 1.5 miles back at a minimum 3mph pace, return to Assembly Area, and conduct a final AAR.
--Due to both Pinellas County Board of Supervisors Emergency Order 20-20 and the Governor’s Executive Order 20-91, we need to maintain at least 6 feet of separation between ourselves in the Assembly Area and during the hike.
COORDINATING INSTRUCTIONS:  For those seeking to attain Provisional rating, bring a 35lbs. rucksack to wear for the first 3-mile hike.  For those seeking to complete a 6-mile hike towards the 3rd Class rating’s requirements, bring a 45lbs. rucksack.  I will provide a scale to weigh participants with and without rucksack to determine rucksack weight.  I will record participants screen names and completion of the requirements.  
NOTE 1:  Water worn on the body for drinking on the hike does not count towards rucksack weight.
NOTE 2:  LBE and/or plate carrier worn on the body during the hike does not count toward rucksack weight.
NOTE 3:  If you aren’t currently conditioned towards hiking/ruck-marching, go easy and do NOT overdo it with the weight.  

SERVICE & SUPPORT
--Open carry of firearms is illegal in Florida except under limited circumstances that do not apply to this hike, so we shall not hike with rifles or visible firearms.  
--Wear non-cotton socks and broken-in footgear.  This is NOT the time to break in new shoes/boots!
--Bring water that is easily accessible on the hike without having to stop, drop your rucksack, and paw through it.  There is no water point at the trailhead, so bring enough for the entire 6-mile hike. Sodas just make you thirstier, so I recommend leaving them at home.  NOTE: Water does not count towards the rucksack weight.
--Bring an individual first aid kid (and blister-control items if you haven’t conditioned your feet).
--Wear sunglasses and cap with brim such as ballcap or boonie hat.  Check the weather that morning and dress accordingly.  Your body will generate heat while hiking, so don’t overdress; we don’t want any heat casualties.
--Wear sunscreen; UV rays can burn you even through clouds.
--Bring snacks.
--Some of us have never hiked with significant weight before, some of us haven’t ruck-marched since 15 years and/or 50 lbs. ago.  Tips on hiking available here http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/11/weapons-platform-major-xxxs-ruck.html
--If you have a handheld FRS/GMRS radio (Motorola Talkabout, etc.), download a spreadsheet here with frequencies and privacy codes. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13m0E728-EB3VyeyP_0NYC9GeE1XeaEcp6EsiQIytJXw/edit#gid=1519376428  Bring them with you and we can test privacy codes between various manufacturers.  Read your manual in advance on how to set frequencies and privacy codes.
--The assembly area has restrooms about 75m away.

COMMAND & SIGNAL
--Post questions in this thread or IM me through the site.
--If you want to help out in any capacity or have special skills (medic, etc.) let me know either via IM or in this thread.  
--For curious onlookers who ask who we are or what our purpose is, answer them honestly that we are a hiking club.
--I’m open to any suggestions.  All of us together are smarter than one of me!

Link Posted: 3/15/2020 7:36:42 AM EDT
I will be there if I can of course.
Link Posted: 3/29/2020 9:55:46 AM EDT
Reading the resolution Spartacus posted in that other thread, I noticed they still allow for hiking and exercise. If everyone is still willing and able to make it we should still be good to go.

I didn't really see any teeth in that resolution anyway though. Spartacus - is this thing just a bunch of finger wagging and polite suggestion or are police actually empowered to do anything substantive when they catch people?
Link Posted: 3/29/2020 10:51:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CZRider:
Reading the resolution Spartacus posted in that other thread, I noticed they still allow for hiking and exercise. If everyone is still willing and able to make it we should still be good to go.

I didn't really see any teeth in that resolution anyway though. Spartacus - is this thing just a bunch of finger wagging and polite suggestion or are police actually empowered to do anything substantive when they catch people?
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When Pinellas County closed the public beaches, the Sheriff said it would take a LOT for his deputies to actually arrest anyone for violating that.  Despite that, Sheriff Bob is no friend of liberty.  From the article in the other thread, "County Attorney Jewel White said violating the order is a second degree misdemeanor punishable with up to 60 days in jail and a $500 fine."  

I think if we're hiking at a public location and are the minimum distance apart, we're fine -- assuming that the public location is still open.  Between dealing with kids stuck at home, and this safer-at-home order, I haven't been able to recon a new location.  We might just do it again at the park in Largo where we had the first Pinellas hike.
Link Posted: 3/29/2020 11:54:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2020 12:01:55 PM EDT by CZRider]
Ah, great. Loving all these emergency powers they have all of a sudden, so glad we entrusted them with the ability to throw us in jail for our own good...

Wherever it ends up being I'll try to be there. Depending where everyone's coming from we could meet somewhere else along the trail or maybe look at something in west Hillsborough. I'd have to read their ordnance again but I don't think they put any power of arrest behind it at least.

ETA: looks like the force of law comes from the state level and therefore applies to every county-level order, but the HC sheriff appears reluctant to take it that far. He's publicly expressed concerns about not wanting to give the appearance of a "police state". Sounds like more things are closed around here though so it's probably a toss-up.
Link Posted: 3/30/2020 4:13:47 PM EDT
Pinellas County parks and rec website indicates they are closing off playgrounds and shelters, and cancelling shelter reservations.  But most parks themselves might still be open.  I'll drive by later this week to check out John S. Taylor Park (where we did our first hike).
Link Posted: 3/31/2020 1:02:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2020 1:03:10 PM EDT by CrazyIvan6115]
As before, myself and spousal unit are in. This time one of our off spring(daughter) will be with us for the fun.  

Hoping the logistics gets worked out and not have to postpone/cancel as this will finish off the 6 milers for the third class rating. WOOT  


Come on guys get your names on here......     Lets get a couple more on the hike.
Link Posted: 3/31/2020 3:03:10 PM EDT
So I cruised by John S Taylor Park, it's still open.  But a City of Largo police vehicle was hanging out.

We could still do this, if we maintain minimum separation distance.  My concern is if we get more than 10 people to show up, because then we're in violation of CDC guidelines, which means we're in violation of Pinellas County Resolution 20-20 which prohibits that.  And if a Largo cop or Pinellas County deputy is there, we could all get written up.

What's you guys thoughts on this?
Link Posted: 3/31/2020 10:14:13 PM EDT
Two groups of five? "No officer we're a hiking club with absolutely no relation at all to those guys standing over there with very similar backpacks on...

FWIW Pasco County hasn't issued any sort of official order. I just watched an update video they put on Youtube and they appear to be taking a stance of "we don't have big cities or multi-generational housing so we haven't issued a stay at home order but follow the CDC guidelines anyway". It'd be less convenient but maybe somewhere like Starkey Wilderness Park would work in a pinch.
Link Posted: 3/31/2020 11:39:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/31/2020 11:42:41 PM EDT by GaryM]
I've been to Bradenton beach a couple times this week. City/county has declared them closed. Parking lots are closed off but there are people on the beaches and no one was being arrested.
No idea about elsewhere.
Oh, I will be there for the hike if it happens on the 11th, I was hoping to be hiking several hundred miles north of here but the bastards have basically closed the Appalachian Trail!
Link Posted: 4/1/2020 2:24:25 PM EDT
Breaking news.... Hike ain't gonna happen. Governor DickLips just announced a 30 day stay at home order.
Florida man is warming up in the bullpen.
Link Posted: 4/1/2020 3:47:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/1/2020 3:47:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/1/2020 3:59:49 PM EDT by CZRider]
I wonder though, all of the county orders thus far have given exercise as a valid reason to be out and about. Does the state order do the same? Could we get around it with a 3 mile hike to a grocery store with 45lb of water on us, dump the water for an equal load of groceries, and hike back to count it as an essential trip?

ETA: EO specifically lists exercise such as walking or hiking as essential. Keep 6- from each other and keep it under 10 and we're good to go for the FLBB hike.
Link Posted: 4/1/2020 11:42:19 PM EDT
Further research has shown walking etc. is allowed as long as social distancing is followed. I really doubt the SWAT team will be called on a bunch of middle aged guys huffing and puffing with packs on but I would be surprised if a squad car didn't pull up and want to talk to us all. All it takes is one doomer cop to ruin our lovely sunny day walk in the park. Personally Fo Dog Jr. and I will be flouting law and order every day for our evening walk. He is ready and willing to piss on the leg of any who dare defy us our walky time anywhere but I am getting tired of bailing his ass out of doggy jail.
So, if it is on we will be there.
Link Posted: 4/2/2020 8:42:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2020 8:44:06 AM EDT by spartacus2002]
Here's the FL order Gov. DeSantis signed: EO

Between that and the Pinellas County order, my interpretation is that hiking is still allowed if we maintain the minimum distance between us and are 10 or fewer people.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if some Doomer cop gave us a ration of shit anyway.  This is a high population density area.  Hell, there was a City of Largo cop car hanging out there when I reconned Tuesday.

I'll make the call tomorrow whether it's on or whether it's "hike on your own."
Link Posted: 4/2/2020 12:19:55 PM EDT
Do we necessarily have to meet up at a park? The Pinellas trail goes all the way from Saint Pete to Tarpon Springs. Google aerials show decent portions of it that get semi-rural as well to reduce the risk of Karen calling down the thunder on us.

Also - the Duke Energy/Ream Wilson trail isn't too far away and might be less traveled. We could park at Spectrum Field off Old Coachman Road and either go north for an approximate 1.5mi round trip (two laps) or go south for as far as we wanted (crosses SR 60 which we might not want to do).
Link Posted: 4/2/2020 2:11:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2020 2:11:53 PM EDT by spartacus2002]
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Originally Posted By CZRider:
Do we necessarily have to meet up at a park? The Pinellas trail goes all the way from Saint Pete to Tarpon Springs. Google aerials show decent portions of it that get semi-rural as well to reduce the risk of Karen calling down the thunder on us.
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There is a rarely-used trailhead for the Pinellas Trail near Lake Seminole Park.  It's a shaded parking lot across the street from the house at 7166 118th St N Seminole, FL  33772 (the trailhead doesn't have its own address, so that's the best address I can find).   We could meet there and go 1.5m up the Trail and back, 1.5m down the Trail and back, for six miles.

Sorry to be so cloak-and-dagger, but with these Stay-At-Home orders I don't want to get LEOs involved who mistake some hikers for Virus Terrists.
Link Posted: 4/2/2020 2:32:56 PM EDT
FLBB SERE training, lesson 1!
Link Posted: 4/2/2020 7:52:12 PM EDT
Unless more show up that have not put their name out here, we will be fine. We will just have to talk a little louder to converse.

So having said that, come on people, if you plan on being at the hike, please open your pie hole and speak up.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 10:48:03 AM EDT
Actually, this could be an opportunity to try some communications stuff as well. If we have to distance ourselves anyway maybe we can split into two groups and see how things like Zello or evem HAM donfor keeping everyone coordinated. I've never had a chance to actually use my HAM since I got my license due to lack of traffic in my area so it'd be nice to get some actual experience with it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 10:58:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CZRider:
Actually, this could be an opportunity to try some communications stuff as well. If we have to distance ourselves anyway maybe we can split into two groups and see how things like Zello or evem HAM donfor keeping everyone coordinated. I've never had a chance to actually use my HAM since I got my license due to lack of traffic in my area so it'd be nice to get some actual experience with it.
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That's a great idea! I can bring an FRS/GMRS handset and a VHF/UHF ham radio.  Maybe we can walk 100m apart, see how far the front guy can reach to the back with each type.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 3:09:16 PM EDT
I've got a couple of Baofengs....
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 10:49:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/3/2020 11:02:13 PM EDT by CrazyIvan6115]
Still a go for the hike at the Pinellas Trail near Lake Seminole Park in the AM, across from the address you listed ?  We three are a go.  

Oh, and what about parking? You said across from the house but it looks on the map to be in the park that you get to from Ridge Rd.

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 11:31:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CrazyIvan6115:
Still a go for the hike at the Pinellas Trail near Lake Seminole Park in the AM, across from the address you listed ?  We three are a go.  

Oh, and what about parking? You said across from the house but it looks on the map to be in the park that you get to from Ridge Rd.

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there is a parking lot across the street from that house, it's outside of Lake Seminole Park and to the south of it.
Link Posted: 4/5/2020 6:58:32 PM EDT
As long as nothing unexpected comes up I'll be there if everything is still a go.
Link Posted: Yesterday 12:17:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 12:17:54 AM EDT by CZRider]
Still in for the 6 miles. Not missing my rating over the threat of some stupid super sniffles...

For reference, here's a snippet of the area with the lot in question circled in yellow. No significant difference in character of the area between the north option and the south option - both are mostly residential, so there's about an equal chance of Karen interference on either path. The northern route has one elevated crossing (Park blvd) and one at-grade crossing of a two-lane road (86th Ave, Street View indicates low-moderate traffic and an RRFB ped singal) while the southern route has two elevated crossings (113th St and Seminole Blvd) and one driveway for a park that'll probably be closed. I'd be more inclined to go south twice than north once, if only because someone who has to actually stop and stare at us crossing in front of them might get weirded out and decide to call us in.
Link Posted: Yesterday 9:20:49 AM EDT
OPORD posted.
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