Originally Posted By JD42:
Let's pray that it does not pass

Originally Posted By jhon:
The best thing we can do is engage people in conversation and I'm not talking about sharing on social media. Lest we forget it is estimated nearly 50% of Oregon households have a firearm and we are the only blue state with such a high instance of gun ownership. IP17 will not survive Bruen but as as been pointed it will be years before it is overturned. In the mean time people in places like Portland, especially low income people who could barely afford a gun to defend themselves let alone costly permits and state mandated training, are going to suffer. Gun shops will disappear due to no sales. The intent of IP17 is make gun ownership so onerous it pushes us to the fringe.

Originally Posted By Liaztraht:
I've been talking to everyone I can, and they all say the same thing... "it will never pass"

The confidence down here in SO is going to cost us.

Originally Posted By Liaztraht:
I've been talking to everyone I can, and they all say the same thing... "it will never pass"

The confidence down here in SO is going to cost us.

Originally Posted By PACorps:
Good luck, guys! I am currently wrapping up my annual vaca in the Bend/Sunriver area and hate to see such an amazing state get shafted. We got our mag ban at the beginning of this month, but remain hopeful it won't hold over the long term; also goes for the inevitable AWB they'll try to push.

Sincerely, a friend from your north

Originally Posted By Liaztraht:
I wish you luck as well turning over that BS up there

Originally Posted By Ben762:
Signatures verified

I submitted comments this morning to the Secretary of State's committee for the voter pamphlet brief.

Originally Posted By Liaztraht:
I've been talking to everyone I can, and they all say the same thing... "it will never pass"

The confidence down here in SO is going to cost us.

Originally Posted By Liaztraht:
If it passes, hopefully a court can put a hold on it until it's reviewed.

I'm trying to convince many that don't vote to do so this year.

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Tacked

Last week we asked you to send comments to the "Explanatory Statement Committee" about the content of IP 17, the gun ban ballot measure.

Now, thanks to the request of one Republican and one Democrat legislator, there is another committee that needs to hear from you.


As noted by the Secretary of State:


The Oregon Criminal Justice Commission (CJC) received a written request from a member of the Legislative Assembly from each major political party requesting a racial and ethnic impact statement pursuant to ORS 137.685 for Initiative Petition 17 that is related to crime and likely to have an effect on the criminal justice system. The CJC is responsible for preparing an impartial, simple, and understandable statement explaining the racial and ethnic impact.


To submit written public comments, please email them no later than July 28 at 10:30 AM to [email protected].


The Secretary of State will hold a public hearing to receive testimony on the the racial and ethnic impact statement for IP 17 .

The explanatory statement is seriously flawed.

The statement refused to acknowledge that most modern shotguns will be banned under this measure. That is NOT speculation.

The statement falsely claims that the database of gun permit applicants is exempt from public disclosure. That must not be allowed to remain in the statement.

The statement ignores the lack of training facilities or people qualified to provide the training. This is a critical element of the measure.

The statement misleads voters about the live fire requirements.

The statement ignores the complete lack of funding for this expensive measure.

The statement fails to clarify many mandates that will be created later by the Oregon State Police without public input.

Originally Posted By MkTwain:
I don't understand those that say "it will never pass".

Voting in this state has been rigged (IMO) for a very long time.  That's how we ended up with a Dem supermajority.  I don't believe for one second that would have happened without fraud.

I'm sticking around and will vote and hope this thing either fails, or gets stricken by the courts.

But in the end, if this becomes law of the land, I already let my wife know we'd be moving out of Oregon.  I've lived here my entire adult life and raised 3 kids, but I will bolt before I'm made a felon overnight for doing/owning what was perfectly legal the day before.

I don't think she believes me.  Time will tell.

Official Fiasco Status

08.05.2022

There are two items of importance in this alert.

First, now the Salem Keizer School Board is planning to place their students in danger by banning self defense and lawful firearms possession on their property.

Please take a moment to contact them to oppose this dangerously foolish policy.

You can view their agenda here.
https://salkeiz.k12.or.us/wp-content/uploads/school-board/agendas/sb-agenda-20220809-en.pdf

You can send a message to the school board using this link:

https://alignact.com/go/protect-our-schools

Your contact information is required to make sure the system is not abused. It will not be shared.

Second, today the "Explanatory Statement Committee" on Ballot Measure 114 (the gun ban initiative ) met to consider public comments made about the proposed statement.

The statement is supposed to be a simple and understandable description of what is in the measure.

The proponents of the measure, once again, demonstrated mind blowing ignorance about every aspect of how firearms work and current law.

They insisted that a person could meet the requirements to "fire" a gun in a classroom. They also continued to completely deny the fact that most shotguns will be outlawed under the measure.

One backer of the measure stated the she was "terrified" of firearms and had a visceral reaction of fear to them. Yet, in spite of her admitted, irrational, behavior, she dominated the conversation on what the statement should say.

There was far too much nonsense in today's hearing to recount, but some things were particularly outrageous.

The committee decided to include, in the explanatory statement, that "Concealed carry license holders may qualify " for the proposed required permits to purchase. This is flat out false. There are no CHL classes that would qualify for this permit. Not only do CHL classes typically not cover state and federal law, but they are rarely taught by police and most classes don't have live fire components.

One proponent of the measure actually objected to the word "grandfathered" because it was "gendered language."

Whenever the opponents attempted to point out the obvious flaws and misrepresentations in the proposed statements, the proponents demanded that they "move on."

The committee has not yet voted on this version. If they do not agree on the version they worked on today, the version that was made public previously, which received hundreds of objections, will be printed in the voter's guide

In short, it's obvious that the explanatory statement will be nothing more than a state sanctioned effort to mislead the voters in an effort to pass a very dangerous ballot measure.

You can help us fight this absurd attack on constitutional rights and common sense by donating to our Political Action Committee.
https://oregonfirearms.ejoinme.org/MyPages/DonationPage/tabid/70447/Default.aspx

If you prefer PAYPAL there is a donation button on this page:

https://www.oregonfirearms.org/join-support-off

Thank you.

Originally Posted By MkTwain:
I don't understand those that say "it will never pass".

Voting in this state has been rigged (IMO) for a very long time.  That's how we ended up with a Dem supermajority.  I don't believe for one second that would have happened without fraud.

I'm sticking around and will vote and hope this thing either fails, or gets stricken by the courts.

But in the end, if this becomes law of the land, I already let my wife know we'd be moving out of Oregon.  I've lived here my entire adult life and raised 3 kids, but I will bolt before I'm made a felon overnight for doing/owning what was perfectly legal the day before.

I don't think she believes me.  Time will tell.

Originally Posted By MrVegas:
This is so sad to see. I pray it doesn't pass. Not a current resident but my gf and I love Oregon and would love to move there. This type of ridiculous legislation is the only thing keeping me on the fence.

Originally Posted By ronin556:
https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)


So can someone clarify. Measure design says possession of mag over 10 rounds is illegal

But ballot summary says mags over 10 are grandfathered.

Also they have $120 , 000 to spend on ads. Progun group only has $1000.

Yeah we gonna lose this one.

Originally Posted By MkTwain:
Voting in this state has been rigged (IMO) for a very long time.  That's how we ended up with a Dem supermajority.  I don't believe for one second that would have happened without fraud.

Originally Posted By jhon:
OFF has a website now: STOP114.com

For Oregon residents you can claim up to $100 as a tax credit for a donation to a PAC if you file jointly with your spouse.

With a Gun and Magazine Ban Coming to Oregon, It's Time to Fight Back!

Dear blank


Your Second Amendment rights are gravely under attack by Radical Leftists, who have put Ballot Measure 114 on the ballot for a vote to enact the strictest gun control in all fifty states! We must act now to save your 2nd Amendment Rights!


We need our Oregon Patriots to:


Encourage our people to help spread the word
Get people to show up at the polls
Contribute to Oregon Firearms Federation PAC in order to help fund the opposition (because if it passes, Oregon Firearms Federation will take the lead in litigation)

Ballot Measure 114 outright bans the new purchase of most sporting shotguns because of the magazine capacity limit. Most shotguns which have tubular magazines can hold more than 10 "mini shells," making them illegal to purchase. This will have a profound effect on youth trap and skeet shooting in Oregon.


The measure requires live fire training before a person can apply for a permit to purchase a firearm. There are virtually no facilities that will be available for this training. For first time gun buyers, this could well require that you have a gun before you can get a permit to buy a gun.


There are no exceptions to the permit to purchase requirement for police of licensed gun dealers.

The "permitting agent" can demand "any additional information" to issue the permit, opening endless opportunities for abuses.

The measure only allows those approved by police to provide the required "training" to apply for a permit. Police in Oregon are underfunded and understaffed. There is no plan in place to provide any training and virtually no rural police have the facilities or manpower to provide classes. Police in urban areas are already not responding to most violent crimes.


The Oregon State Sheriff's Association has estimated that if a person somehow could complete the required training, the permitting process would cost sheriffs almost $40,000,000.00 annually. There is nothing in the measure that provides any funding and the fees included would not come close to covering the costs. There is no estimate on the cost or impact on small local police departments.


While the measure caps the cost of a permit, there are no caps on the costs for the required training, which is unlikely to be available anyway. This will mostly affect low-income communities.


The ballot measure requires that the required class (taught only by "law enforcement approved" trainers) include training on state and federal law, transfers and storage, and the "impact of suicide on the country as a whole."  There is no indication of who would be qualified to instruct on these issues or how they become approved.


The measure requires that a sheriff or local police department issue a permit within 30 days after a background check has been completed by the State Police. But there is NO limit on how long the State Police can take to complete the background check and NO penalties if they do not complete it. There are no estimates of the cost of these checks for the State Police.


The measure requires a public list of persons who attempt to purchase firearms. Victims of domestic violence will be at risk of all their private information being made public along with their efforts to purchase a firearm for self-defense.


The measure creates a whole new category of victimless crimes at a time when the police are grossly underfunded and real criminals are being released onto our streets.


The measure requires a permit from local police (which may be impossible to get) just to apply for permission from the Oregon State Police simply to buy a firearm. But it also removes the one safeguard that protects gun buyers if the State Police do not complete their background check.


State and Federal law allow the transfer of a firearm if the state police don't complete a background check in 3 business days.  This measure removes that safeguard. So, a single mom with threats against her and her children could literally wait forever to get permission to get a home defense firearm.

Ballot Measure 114 will enact the strictest gun control in all fifty states! Please Take Action now to save your 2nd Amendment Rights!


In Liberty,                                                                                                        
Monte Bowen
Pacific Region Director
Gun Owners of America


P.S. Please go to the Oregon Firearms Federation website- https://stop114.com -to help stop this dangerous, anti-gun measure.

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
Another link some people might find useful: https://or-chl.com/no-114.html

Originally Posted By Piratepast40:
Oregon Push Back has some photos of yesterdays Stop 114 rally at the capitol on their facebook page.

Originally Posted By Piratepast40:
Just came back from a Business Fellowship group get together.  There were around 200 people there and I was able to take the stage to speak about 114 and activism.  Tremendous response.  People agree that we are a national test case and this treatment we're getting has to stop.  Lot of people wanting to help get the word out.  I'll be sending out lots of pdf's of the flyer and palm cards. If anyone on the forum would like some let me know.

Originally Posted By Piratepast40:
There is a debate Friday between Kevin Starrett, Eugene NAACP rep, and the Bend DA.  Friday, 10/21 1:30pm.  You can watch live by signing into the webinar. Link here.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/444670/CitClubDebate_png-2568443.JPG