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Posted: 11/18/2021 3:28:06 AM EDT
[#1]
here's the vote tally:
 YEAS Brian Baldridge (R) Adam C. Bird (R) Thomas E. Brinkman Jr. (R) Jamie Callender (R) Rick Carfagna (R) Sara P. Carruthers (R) Gary Click (R) Rodney Creech (R) Jon Cross (R) Robert R. Cupp (R) Al Cutrona (R) Bill Dean (R) Jay Edwards (R) Ron Ferguson (R) Sarah Fowler Arthur (R) Mark Fraizer (R) Haraz N. Ghanbari (R) Timothy E. Ginter (R) Diane V. Grendell (R) Jennifer Gross (R) Thomas Hall (R) Brett Hudson Hillyer (R) Adam Holmes (R) James M. Hoops (R) Marilyn S. John (R) Mark Johnson (R) Don Jones (R) Kris Jordan (R) Darrell Kick (R) J. Kyle Koehler (R) Jeff LaRe (R) Laura Lanese (R) P. Scott Lipps (R) Mike Loychik (R) Susan Manchester (R) Gayle Manning (R) Riordan T. McClain (R) Derek Merrin (R) Kevin D. Miller (R) Scott Oelslager (R) Gail K. Pavliga (R) Phil Plummer (R) Jena Powell (R) Sharon A. Ray (R) Tracy M. Richardson (R) Craig S. Riedel (R) Bill Roemer (R) Jean Schmidt (R) Bill Seitz (R) Dick Stein (R) Jason Stephens (R) Brian Stewart (R) Reggie Stoltzfus (R) D. J. Swearingen (R) A. Nino Vitale (R) Andrea White (R) Scott Wiggam (R) Shane Wilkin (R) Bob Young (R) Tom Young (R) NAYS Willis E. Blackshear, Jr. (D) Kristin Boggs (D) Janine R. Boyd (D) Juanita O. Brent (D) Richard D. Brown (D) Jeffrey A. Crossman (D) Sedrick Denson (D) Tavia Galonski (D) Paula Hicks-Hudson (D) Stephanie D. Howse (D) Latyna M. Humphrey (D) Catherine D. Ingram (D) Dontavius L. Jarrells (D) Brigid Kelly (D) David Leland (D) Mary Lightbody (D) Beth Liston (D) Joseph A. Miller III (D) Adam C. Miller (D) Jessica E. Miranda (D) Phillip M. Robinson, Jr. (D) C. Allison Russo (D) Michael Sheehy (D) Michael J. Skindell (D) Kent Smith (D) Monique Smith (D) Lisa A. Sobecki (D) Bride Rose Sweeney (D) Emilia Strong Sykes (D) Daniel P. Troy (D) Terrence Upchurch (D) Thomas West (D) |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 3:34:59 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what does this mean? If one of you guys don't mind explaining this in simple terms. I understand just for other guys who aren't too smart and don't know what this means.  ..the bill passed the House, so now it gets sent to the Senate, where they can put it through their legislative process... the Senate has their own "version" of constitutional carry, SB 215, which has already gone through some of the process there... the Senate can pass HB 227, or they can pass SB 215, they can pass a "modified" HB 227, or they can put one form of these up as an amendment to another bill that is up for passage (sometimes they do those things last minute)... regardless, in order for legislation to make it out of the legislature, one house has to pass the same bill as the other, or they can pass different bills, and later pass a synchronized version of the two bills formed by a conference committee... |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 9:22:37 AM EDT
[#3]
So who do we hammer now? Senate reps I guess.
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Posted: 11/18/2021 11:31:53 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: here's the vote tally: YEAS Brian Baldridge (R) Adam C. Bird (R) Thomas E. Brinkman Jr. (R) Jamie Callender (R) Rick Carfagna (R) Sara P. Carruthers (R) Gary Click (R) Rodney Creech (R) Jon Cross (R) Robert R. Cupp (R) Al Cutrona (R) Bill Dean (R) Jay Edwards (R) Ron Ferguson (R) Sarah Fowler Arthur (R) Mark Fraizer (R) Haraz N. Ghanbari (R) Timothy E. Ginter (R) Diane V. Grendell (R) Jennifer Gross (R) Thomas Hall (R) Brett Hudson Hillyer (R) Adam Holmes (R) James M. Hoops (R) Marilyn S. John (R) Mark Johnson (R) Don Jones (R) Kris Jordan (R) Darrell Kick (R) J. Kyle Koehler (R) Jeff LaRe (R) Laura Lanese (R) P. Scott Lipps (R) Mike Loychik (R) Susan Manchester (R) Gayle Manning (R) Riordan T. McClain (R) Derek Merrin (R) Kevin D. Miller (R) Scott Oelslager (R) Gail K. Pavliga (R) Phil Plummer (R) Jena Powell (R) Sharon A. Ray (R) Tracy M. Richardson (R) Craig S. Riedel (R) Bill Roemer (R) Jean Schmidt (R) Bill Seitz (R) Dick Stein (R) Jason Stephens (R) Brian Stewart (R) Reggie Stoltzfus (R) D. J. Swearingen (R) A. Nino Vitale (R) Andrea White (R) Scott Wiggam (R) Shane Wilkin (R) Bob Young (R) Tom Young (R) NAYS Willis E. Blackshear, Jr. (D) Kristin Boggs (D) Janine R. Boyd (D) Juanita O. Brent (D) Richard D. Brown (D) Jeffrey A. Crossman (D) Sedrick Denson (D) Tavia Galonski (D) Paula Hicks-Hudson (D) Stephanie D. Howse (D) Latyna M. Humphrey (D) Catherine D. Ingram (D) Dontavius L. Jarrells (D) Brigid Kelly (D) David Leland (D) Mary Lightbody (D) Beth Liston (D) Joseph A. Miller III (D) Adam C. Miller (D) Jessica E. Miranda (D) Phillip M. Robinson, Jr. (D) C. Allison Russo (D) Michael Sheehy (D) Michael J. Skindell (D) Kent Smith (D) Monique Smith (D) Lisa A. Sobecki (D) Bride Rose Sweeney (D) Emilia Strong Sykes (D) Daniel P. Troy (D) Terrence Upchurch (D) Thomas West (D) Can't help but to notice a pattern regarding the votes. |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 1:44:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't help but to notice a pattern regarding the votes. yep, ..and if you watched the debate (you can on the ohio channel archive) you'd see the democrats in the house have some real whacky karen types and race baiters who have mental breakdown at the thought of people being "allowed" their own autonomy... |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 1:52:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So who do we hammer now? Senate reps I guess. basically, yep.... at their next day of session, a parliamentarian will announce HB 227 being referred to them by the House, ..from there, Senate leadership should assign it to a Senate committee... ...being that the Senate already has their own bill, HB 215, that is further ahead (had two hearings?), ...we should encourage them to be proactive in getting something passed that is conducive to being reconciled with the House in the end, ...that's how you get it to the governor's desk... |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 3:14:32 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: basically, yep.... at their next day of session, a parliamentarian will announce HB 227 being referred to them by the House, ..from there, Senate leadership should assign it to a Senate committee... ...being that the Senate already has their own bill, HB 215, that is further ahead (had two hearings?), ...we should encourage them to be proactive in getting something passed that is conducive to being reconciled with the House in the end, ...that's how you get it to the governor's desk... Deswine won't sign it, hope they can override a veto. |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 4:19:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Deswine won't sign it, hope they can override a veto. ...i think dewine's on record saying he would sign constitutional carry... he's up for re-election in 2022... |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 5:35:30 PM EDT
[#9]
He can also do nothing, correct?
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Posted: 11/18/2021 6:33:07 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...i think dewine's on record saying he would sign constitutional carry... he's up for re-election in 2022... FMD Fucking RINO |
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Posted: 11/18/2021 11:17:12 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He can also do nothing, correct? yes, he has a time window to either sign or veto. if neither happens in the window, it still gets enacted... |
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Posted: 11/19/2021 9:39:00 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Deswine won't sign it, hope they can override a veto. If they can get it to him before the primary election he will have to sign it. If they wait until after the primary Dewine has more ability to reject it. JLE |
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Posted: 11/21/2021 2:41:24 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...i think dewine's on record saying he would sign constitutional carry... he's up for re-election in 2022... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Deswine won't sign it, hope they can override a veto. ...i think dewine's on record saying he would sign constitutional carry... he's up for re-election in 2022... eta, he also signed our 'redistricting' map. Dems are having massive coronaries. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:24:00 AM EDT
[#14]
what will this do when my current carry permit expires as far as reciprocity on neighboring states? or any other states ?
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:59:08 AM EDT
[#15]
From everything I've seen, you would still need the license to carry outside of the state in most cases.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:44:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: what will this do when my current carry permit expires as far as reciprocity on neighboring states? or any other states ? ...if constitutional carry were to be enacted in Ohio, you would still need a CHL in order to take advantage of reciprocity in other states... |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 8:26:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From everything I've seen, you would still need the license to carry outside of the state in most cases. Always good to have the license. But almost half the country has constitutional carry now. You won't need your card for quite a few states. |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 9:08:17 PM EDT
[#18]
How close are we getting?
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:49:24 PM EDT
[#19]
HB227 was referred to the Senate Veterans and Public Safety Committee last week.
Committee chair is Senator Frank Hoagland. Lobbyists have been working with the Senate this week on the bill, but I haven't heard any specifics. I don't know that any timeframe has been established. Anyone else have any more insight? ETA: It can't hurt to start hammering Hoagland to push this bill forward. Let's get at it. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 10:11:43 PM EDT
[#20]
Constitutional Carry is going to pass the Senate easily AS LONG AS IT GETS TO THE FLOOR.
Now is the time to bombard Frank Hoagland to push this through the committee. Hammer him with calls and emails, folks. NOW IS THE TIME. Contact Him Here |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 2:41:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Excellent suggestion.
Done. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 7:46:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Thanks for the link, and done.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:20:57 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the link, and done. Done |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 1:05:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Senator Hoagland spoke at my family’s range grand opening. Good dude. Done and done. Lets get this passed.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 1:50:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Dale, Thank you for contacting my office to share your sentiments on H.B. 227. As you may know, H.B. 227 has passed the Ohio House and has been introduced in the Ohio Senate. Please feel free to utilize the link provided below to stay up to date on the current status of H.B. 227. H.B. 227: https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-status?id=GA134-HB-227 Thank you again for contacting my office. I will keep your views in mind when discussing this legislation with my Senate colleagues. Sincerely, Frank Hoagland Ohio Senator District 30 |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:49:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Update: 20211117 HB 227 passed the house 60/32!!!!! hurray!  ------------------------------ I'll piss some off don't care. You in favor have outsmarted yourselves. Your Ohio constitutional carry (if passed) is not valid in any other state. Your permit is valid in many. No need for training. Why not give car keys to 14 year olds...  Update: 20211028 Gov't Oversight committee passed an amended version, Sub HB 227, on 8-4 vote. - also addresses "duty to notify"... - maintains the status quo of "church carry", unfortunately...  I don't see the text of the tally yet, but the roll is here at 16:30: https://ohiohouse.gov/committees/government-oversight/video/ohio-house-government-oversight-committee-10-28-2021-181985 Sent to the Rules and Reference Committee. House Committee Passes HB 227 Constitutional Carry Bill Contact Speaker Cupp and ask him to bring Sub HB 227 to a floor vote!!!! Phone: (614) 466-9624 https://ohiohouse.gov/members/robert-r-cupp/contact ---------------------------------- Update: 20211012 HB 227 (plus several other really good pro-gun and pro-knife bills) is on the committee agenda for Thurs 10/14!!!! let's contact the Chairman, and committee members to urge a vote!!!!  ------------------------------------------------------------ ...is your Rep on the committee? Government Oversight Committee ...even if not, contact the Chairman to urge a vote on HB 227: Chairman Shane Wilkin Phone: (614) 466-3506 https://ohiohouse.gov/members/shane-wilkin/contact  |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 5:54:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: Update: 20211117 HB 227 passed the house 60/32!!!!! hurray! ------------------------------ Update: 20211028 Gov't Oversight committee passed an amended version, Sub HB 227, on 8-4 vote. - also addresses "duty to notify"... - maintains the status quo of "church carry", unfortunately... I don't see the text of the tally yet, but the roll is here at 16:30: https://ohiohouse.gov/committees/government-oversight/video/ohio-house-government-oversight-committee-10-28-2021-181985 Sent to the Rules and Reference Committee. House Committee Passes HB 227 Constitutional Carry Bill Contact Speaker Cupp and ask him to bring Sub HB 227 to a floor vote!!!! Phone: (614) 466-9624 https://ohiohouse.gov/members/robert-r-cupp/contact ---------------------------------- Update: 20211012 HB 227 (plus several other really good pro-gun and pro-knife bills) is on the committee agenda for Thurs 10/14!!!! let's contact the Chairman, and committee members to urge a vote!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ ...is your Rep on the committee? Government Oversight Committee ...even if not, contact the Chairman to urge a vote on HB 227: Chairman Shane Wilkin Phone: (614) 466-3506 https://ohiohouse.gov/members/shane-wilkin/contact You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. |
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Posted: 12/11/2021 9:44:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:20:27 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. LOL, what other rights enumerated in the constitution do you believe should require training and age restrictions? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:51:02 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. The blood will run like rivers in the streets! BULLSHIT! That’s the same shit the anti-gun people said about CHL. It’s funny how there are no issues like that occurring in any of the states that enacted constitutional carry…
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:21:28 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, what other rights enumerated in the constitution do you believe should require training and age restrictions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. LOL, what other rights enumerated in the constitution do you believe should require training and age restrictions? 100% correct. There is no other Constitutional right that is taken away at will or so heavily restricted. I’ve said it a million times before, I believe most recently was on Reddit... I believe that any free American should be able to walk into a store with a wad of cash and walk out with a suppressed, short-barreled machine gun and a bag of weed. But that’s just me. ??????? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:29:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. Why not? I was driving farm vehicles before 14. My dad had his first car at 10. Just because city folk don't know how to act shouldn't affect others. Explain it to us what problems these "other states" are having. Because i've been in several states with it, & saw no adverse effects. 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 3:12:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. Wowza
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:32:20 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. I paid cash for my first car when I was 15. 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:52:42 PM EDT
[#35]
People will carry regardless of the laws. Maybe not me or you guys but people that don't care about laws will and do.
If you are carrying a weapon and aren't a criminal and pull it out without provocation you probably were already on your way to being a criminal or should be. I'm sure we can argue but I remember when the permits were first becoming a thing and heard plenty of "gun guys " saying it was a horrible idea. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 10:50:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Wow, just wow.
Will I still maintain my permit for reciprocity? Absolutely. However, this is an important issue for numerous reasons, especially with the extremely slow sheriffs offices, extremely limited hours/appointments and their continued attitudes. Not only that, the past 18 months......... lets just say if one needed to protect themselves in an emergency situation, COVID made sure the "we will contact you in writing within 90 days" would be sure the person needing to protect themselves would not survive. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:13:28 PM EDT
[#37]
This email just came this morning from the NRA-ILA:
This week, the Senate Veterans and Public Safety Committee will hold a third hearing and possible vote for Senate Bill 215, the constitutional carry bill. Please contact committee members and ask them to SUPPORT SB 215. Senate Bill 215 allows a law-abiding adult who is at least 21 years of age, and legally allowed to possess a firearm, to carry a handgun without first having to obtain government permission. This ensures that citizens have the right to self-defense without government red tape or delays. Additionally, this legislation maintains the existing concealed handgun license system, so citizens who still wish to obtain a permit may do so.Again, please contact committee members and ask them to SUPPORT SB 215. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 3:03:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. Maybe you could move out of Ohio if you don't like our laws.
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Posted: 12/14/2021 11:38:07 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This email just came this morning from the NRA-ILA: This week, the Senate Veterans and Public Safety Committee will hold a third hearing and possible vote for Senate Bill 215, the constitutional carry bill. Please contact committee members and ask them to SUPPORT SB 215. Senate Bill 215 allows a law-abiding adult who is at least 21 years of age, and legally allowed to possess a firearm, to carry a handgun without first having to obtain government permission. This ensures that citizens have the right to self-defense without government red tape or delays. Additionally, this legislation maintains the existing concealed handgun license system, so citizens who still wish to obtain a permit may do so.Again, please contact committee members and ask them to SUPPORT SB 215. I too got that email. I did email my senators again. |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 7:18:31 PM EDT
[#40]
SB215 passed out of committee this afternoon. It could go to the Senate floor as early as tomorrow.
HAMMER YOUR SENATORS TONIGHT, FOLKS! More from BFA |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 7:59:28 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it.
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Posted: 12/14/2021 10:11:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% correct. There is no other Constitutional right that is taken away at will or so heavily restricted. I’ve said it a million times before, I believe most recently was on Reddit... I believe that any free American should be able to walk into a store with a wad of cash and walk out with a suppressed, short-barreled machine gun and a bag of weed. But that’s just me. ??????? you...you I like! |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 10:24:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You constitutional carry folks have outsmarted yourselves. It's not good in any other state. Carrying a pistol with no training what a good idea.... Your Ohio permit is good in many other states. Lets give car keys to 14 year olds while were at it. Yeah well you Karen types can pack up your bags and move out of Ohio if you dont like it. There are plenty of states like NY, MA, CT, CA, HI, NJ, and MD that would welcome you. |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 10:37:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you...you I like! Hey now... don’t get too ahead of yourself! There’s lots to not like about me!  On this same subject, I tend to get a lot of pushback when I say that my opinion on the topic applies to ever FREE American, to include convicted felons, violent criminals, etc, once they have served their time/paid their debt to “society”. I don’t believe that it should be up to the government to legislate away Constitutionally guaranteed rights from anyone that is neither incarcerated nor on probation/parole. |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 10:45:04 PM EDT
[#45]
It appears on the surface it should pass the Senate. But I’d bet it sits on Swines desk until it dies. Even in an election year, he did so much damage during covid lockdown, what would change his rino ways now.
Not optimistic. But emailed my senators anyway |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 11:00:30 PM EDT
[#46]
We are close, lets get it done.
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Posted: 12/15/2021 12:08:00 AM EDT
[#47]
SB 215 is a Senate bill that is distinct from HB 227. HB 227 is sitting in a Senate Committee, but SB 215 appears to be the their favored (and quickest) move at the current time.
If the Senate passes SB 215, a few different scenarios could unfold to get constitutional carry to the governor: 1) House could take up and pass SB 215 (as is) - this assuming the Senate passes it. 2) Senate could take up and pass HB 227 (as is). 3) House and Senate could convene conference committees to hash out common language/bill, and have each respective house pass that. For clarity, created a dedicated thread for progression of SB 215: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Constitutional-Carry-SB-215-on-the-Move-in-Senate-Passed-Committee--/12-658991/ |
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