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Posted: 3/24/2019 12:37:49 PM EDT

Got a text from a friend that the IA House passed a bill, didn't even know it was being discussed. Anyone who follows such things think it has a chance in hell of being passed? I just might get to kill a deer with my M1 after all.

I've said for years the jackasses who would take an unsafe shot are out there already doing it illegally. Maybe they're coming to their senses after 2 years of straight wall not causing a large body count?

Posted: 3/26/2019 8:48:34 PM EDT

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I believe the language in the bill says only in calibers .357 to 50 for bottle neck ammunition. I could be wrong.

If that's the case and if it passes, long shot in my opinion, a 35 whelen would be a fine addition to my safe.

416 Rigby?

Posted: 3/26/2019 9:00:01 PM EDT

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35 Remington lever action would be the bomb.

kwg

Posted: 3/26/2019 9:29:12 PM EDT

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I believe the language in the bill says only in calibers .357 to 50 for bottle neck ammunition. I could be wrong.

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That's how I read it.

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/legislation/BillBook?ga=88&ba=HF716

Posted: 3/26/2019 9:29:22 PM EDT

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I support the idea. .35-.50"

Also lets kids handgun hunt and forces the DNR to recognize the right definition of a pistol!

Posted: 3/26/2019 9:52:52 PM EDT

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In the interest of discussion, what commonly available rifle cartridges would this make available?

My smart ass side says .50 BMG is would be a legal deer cartridge. But what are more reasonable "deer sized" cartridges?

This would bring in the afore mentioned .35 Whelen (a true classic), .458 SOCOM, .338 Win Mag. What else?

ETA: The .338 Win Mag would NOT be legal (<.357). Sorry.

Posted: 3/26/2019 10:03:47 PM EDT

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Over at Iowa whitetail forum in the legislative tab there is a long thread on the subject. It goes into detail on what cartridges can be used and other aspects of the proposal.

Needless to say all the bow hunters are pissed off, they will be nose diving off their tree stands if this bill is signed by Gov Reynolds.

I just hope this doesn't end the tradition of the Iowa deer drive. That would ruin it for me personally.

Posted: 3/27/2019 8:14:48 AM EDT

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Sounds like a way to add more handgun rounds then-.357 Sig, .400 Cor-Bon etc. I should have known they wouldn't let the big, scary .30-30 and .30-06 in.

As for drives, the guys who like them can have them. After shooting deer from a stand I'll never drive hunt again.

Posted: 3/27/2019 5:19:09 PM EDT

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+1.

Posted: 3/28/2019 3:55:19 PM EDT

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Wow - I went over to that forum just to nose around a bit and man some of those guys are really bent outta shape about the new purposed changes. Some of them act like its going to bring extinction to the Iowa Whitetail.

My personal opinion of it - if they are going to do it I think a narrowed caliber choice of .243 to .308 would be more than plenty as alot of the calibers on the list are wayyy over kill but thats just my .02 and due to inflation that aint worth much. I love the 450Bushmaster so even if they decided vote and pass that new law I wont be switching anyway.

Posted: 3/28/2019 4:29:50 PM EDT

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I want to preface these remarks with saying I'm not against bow hunting or the folks that choose that hunting method and no other. I appreciate the challenge of it.

But for petes sake some of these guys are nuts. The Iowa bow hunter has been coddled far too long. They have every advantage at taking nice bucks because they get the rut all to themselves. In my opinion they can have it, I dont hunt whitetail for the antlers.

They claim it's a conservation issue. I happen to know one bow hunter who wounded 3 big bucks last season, two were found dead this spring btw, before finally getting a real trophy. They are just upset that gun hunters are going to get more shots at good deer that wont walk under their stand in the future. They believe their big racked deer might go extinct is more like it. They made a similar stink about the strait wall bill two years ago.

With cwd and other diseases ravaging the deer heard because of over population a few more cartridge choices couldn't hurt.

Edit: I forgot to mention crop damage and increased auto collisions. Also with less hunters in the field every year we need to look at all options for including more hunters.

Posted: 3/28/2019 6:14:12 PM EDT

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There are some who feel that the real hunters only hunt with bow and arrow. As an Indian guide I know in Montana once told me who only hunts with a rifle: "We had bow and arrows and lost the war, need I say more?"

Moral superiority cannot be claimed because of the tool used to hunt. There are still lot's of trophy deer in states all around Iowa that allow rifles for deer hunting. If you look at the five year running accident numbers, it's far safer to stand hunt with high power rifles than it is to hunt in drives with shotgun slugs.

Numbers harvested are controlled by permits issued, not the tools used to take deer. Slugs carry a far higher risk than centerfire rifles.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?37208-Shotgun-slugs-safer-than-rifles-challenged-(hunting-and-ricochets)

If you think it trough, slugs skip along the ground much like a skipping stone does on water.

Posted: 3/28/2019 6:53:01 PM EDT

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There are some who feel that the real hunters only hunt with bow and arrow. As an Indian guide I know in Montana once told me who only hunts with a rifle: "We had bow and arrows and lost the war, need I say more?"

Moral superiority cannot be claimed because of the tool used to hunt. There are still lot's of trophy deer in states all around Iowa that allow rifles for deer hunting. If you look at the five year running accident numbers, it's far safer to stand hunt with high power rifles than it is to hunt in drives with shotgun slugs.

Numbers harvested are controlled by permits issued, not the tools used to take deer. Slugs carry a far higher risk than centerfire rifles.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?37208-Shotgun-slugs-safer-than-rifles-challenged-(hunting-and-ricochets)

If you think it trough, slugs skip along the ground much like a skipping stone does on water.

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That's the same argument I kept having with a lot of old fudds around here.

We have a group of ten or so guys that do drives. We are all cautious as all get out when it comes to shooting. We weeded out the idiots years ago. It's the way I grew up hunting and dont want it to end.

Some of us do use the new strait wall rifles. But if this legislation was to pass I doubt any of us would use them driving deer. Now in the evening when some of us sit in blinds is a different story.

Posted: 3/28/2019 8:23:10 PM EDT

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I'd probably go 358 Winchester

Posted: 3/28/2019 10:55:35 PM EDT

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I was talking about exactly this with a friend today. For now, I'll keep using my .45-70 though. It sounds like overkill but comparing projectile weight and velocity it's very close to a 12 gauge slug, and it's easier to shoot well.

There's absolutely no reason they can't add .30-30 to the list(other than "it's a scary bottleneck high power"). Very similar effective range for anyone being realistic, and lower recoil than a lot of approved calibers. I know it's milder to shoot than my .450, and it's a lot milder than .45-70, even with trapdoor-safe loads. .308, .30-06 and similar? I understand their reasoning but don't agree. All those rounds are legal for coyotes, and after some of the stories I've heard from certain coyote "hunters" I won't even hunt ducks with them.

Posted: 3/31/2019 8:15:06 PM EDT

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Sounds like this bill is going to die in committee. Oh well.

Posted: 5/3/2019 10:13:26 PM EDT

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Way? and that's a pisser

Posted: 5/6/2019 8:09:45 PM EDT

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Dang, I'm pretty bummed after reading this. I am in no way a caliber expert but I think .35+ seems a little overkill? Anything .243+ would be my dream! 6.5CM, .270, .308? Now we're talking!

Posted: 5/6/2019 9:51:18 PM EDT

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30-30 was seriously not going to be allowed if it did pass? how does that make any sense?

Posted: 5/6/2019 10:14:22 PM EDT

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The way people are making it sound it was going to be allowing things like bottleneck pistol calibers(.357 Sig, .400 Cor-Bon,etc) in carbines. Can't have those scary long range rifles in the deer woods, even though they get used on coyotes.

Posted: 5/6/2019 11:45:53 PM EDT

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i don't get why they would have considered a plethora of bottleneck cartridges and found them suitable, but the most used round is not allowed, even though it's a bottleneck.

Posted: 5/6/2019 11:50:19 PM EDT

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that would make sense on their FUDDtastic part i guess.

is there a caliber restriction when coyote hunting? .50BMG sounds like a good idea.

Posted: 5/6/2019 11:53:23 PM EDT

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is there a caliber restriction when coyote hunting? .50BMG sounds like a good idea.

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None that I've ever heard of, but if you use a .50 and get your license checked, good luck convincing the officer you're hunting coyotes.

And if you get one with it, post pics.

Posted: 5/7/2019 7:13:19 AM EDT

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I think it is just ridiculous that they cannot settle on something. Everyone gets all geared up for 450 bushmaster, then they push this shit through.

Posted: 5/11/2019 9:57:23 PM EDT

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Did it pass?

Posted: 8/7/2019 10:17:21 PM EDT

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Did it pass?

Posted: 8/8/2019 8:28:03 AM EDT

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Bottleneck did not pass. Still straight wall.

Posted: 8/31/2019 6:51:54 PM EDT

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As for drives, the guys who like them can have them. After shooting deer from a stand I'll never drive hunt again.

+1.

I agree. I don't hunt with enough people anymore to do a drive anyway.

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