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Posted: 6/27/2019 10:07:09 PM EDT
Unless Winchester changes things with the hunting ammo they plan to release, .350 Legend will NOT be legal to hunt deer with this fall-the blasting ammo they're selling is loaded with .355" bullets. People have been claiming the hunting rounds will have proper .357" bullets but even Starline mentions on their brass page that it uses .355". Hate to see someone get a fine for an illegal deer rifle!
Link Posted: 6/28/2019 9:21:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2019 9:27:08 AM EDT by IAShooters]
from the Winchester website:

350 Legend
Straight-Walled Cartridge Specs
Bullet Diameter: .357 inch
Shell case Length: 1.71 inches

and the SAAMI spec says .3570
https://www.nssf.org/saami-announces-acceptance-350-legend-cartridge/

not sure why they would deviate from the saami spec.
Link Posted: 6/28/2019 9:26:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2019 9:29:57 AM EDT by shack357]
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Originally Posted By IAShooters:
from the Winchester website:

350 Legend
Straight-Walled Cartridge Specs
Bullet Diameter: .357 inch
Shell case Length: 1.71 inches

and the SAAMI spec says .3570
https://www.nssf.org/saami-announces-acceptance-350-legend-cartridge/
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I know that's what they published, but so far it's not what they've been loading. One person in GD has posted that he's gotten the hunting loads and they shoot better than the cheap stuff, so maybe they did load it right.

ETA-Per Easy_E over in GD, they are loading .355" bullets in the hunting loads too. Said if loading with .357 they won't chamber.
Link Posted: 6/28/2019 9:49:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2019 9:52:05 AM EDT by IAShooters]
ok
just got off the phone with the IDNR and the official word is 350 Legend is NOT legal at this time. The law enforcement dept has tested and found that some of the ammo is slightly under SAAMI spec. IDNR have been in contact with Winchester and the IDNR said they will make an official ruling soon.

Ironically, the automated chat software on the IDNR website still says 350 is legal. They are going to correct that.

So, I guess we wait and see.

In the mean time, I can still shoot hogs with my 350 Legend AR-15.
Link Posted: 6/28/2019 4:12:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IAShooters:
ok
just got off the phone with the IDNR and the official word is 350 Legend is NOT legal at this time. The law enforcement dept has tested and found that some of the ammo is slightly under SAAMI spec. IDNR have been in contact with Winchester and the IDNR said they will make an official ruling soon.

Ironically, the automated chat software on the IDNR website still says 350 is legal. They are going to correct that.

So, I guess we wait and see.

In the mean time, I can still shoot hogs with my 350 Legend AR-15.
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Glad I went with .357AR. .358 bullets. Guess I better have calipers in my pocket.
Link Posted: 6/28/2019 7:43:30 PM EDT
published specs are published specs. there is no reasonable expectation a person use calipers or a micrometer on their ammunition. let's not ever start the discussion.

quit making things more complex than they need to be.

i'll do you one better than that... if the dnr resorts to using micrometers to find something two fucking thousands undersize as if that were prudent or proper, i'll personally invite them to kiss my ass on main street and give them 20 minutes to draw a crowd.

quit asking for extra layers of permission for things that are already legal. this is how we get into trouble.
Link Posted: 6/28/2019 10:13:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By septic-tank13:
published specs are published specs. there is no reasonable expectation a person use calipers or a micrometer on their ammunition. let's not ever start the discussion.

quit making things more complex than they need to be.

i'll do you one better than that... if the dnr resorts to using micrometers to find something two fucking thousands undersize as if that were prudent or proper, i'll personally invite them to kiss my ass on main street and give them 20 minutes to draw a crowd.

quit asking for extra layers of permission for things that are already legal. this is how we get into trouble.
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Not asking extra permission at all, just figured I'd pass on that it's already known that it's being loaded with undersize bullets, and keeping calipers close would be a way to prove that the .357AR I have(if checked) is not the legend.
The way I understand it, someone was disappointed in how a .350 legend was shooting, measured a bullet, found it was undersized. The claim at the time was the hunting ammo was going to be loaded with proper diameter bullets-and it's not.
Link Posted: 6/29/2019 5:33:43 AM EDT
I get better consistency when I roll my own, and I know what size bullets I'm using. Don't have a 350 though.
Link Posted: 7/8/2019 9:32:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/8/2019 9:52:08 PM EDT by shack357]
Just got word from Septic, .350 Legend is officially OK for deer in IA, and DNR has changed the listed caliber requirement to say .357" or larger as stated by the manufacturer-allowing for things like sloppy QC and loose tolerances. Can't get the official letter to copy from my email but it's also posted on IFC's Facebook.
ETA-got the file to copy.Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 7/9/2019 6:50:45 AM EDT
Yay! Now if they would just legalize all the regular cartridges!
Link Posted: 7/9/2019 5:58:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By philc1:
Yay! Now if they would just legalize all the regular cartridges!
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At some point, the legislature will figure out that the reasearch shows centerfire rifle hunting is actually safer that deer drives. At that point, the bow hunters will scream bloody murder, but they will loose out to the car insurance industry, and all rifle cartridges of a suitable caliber will become legal.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 1:56:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By philc1:
Yay! Now if they would just legalize all the regular cartridges!
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I've never been deer hunting, but really wanna take my lever action 30-30 out sometime.

I know Shack357 would take me out.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 2:08:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slims_88:
I've never been deer hunting, but really wanna take my lever action 30-30 out sometime.

I know Shack357 would take me out.
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Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By philc1:
Yay! Now if they would just legalize all the regular cartridges!
I've never been deer hunting, but really wanna take my lever action 30-30 out sometime.

I know Shack357 would take me out.
Any time. Weve got plenty of deer to shoot, small property or not

Actually got pics on the way to work today of an 8 point that is showing real potential.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 3:12:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shack357:
Any time. Weve got plenty of deer to shoot, small property or not

Actually got pics on the way to work today of an 8 point that is showing real potential.
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Originally Posted By shack357:
Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By philc1:
Yay! Now if they would just legalize all the regular cartridges!
I've never been deer hunting, but really wanna take my lever action 30-30 out sometime.

I know Shack357 would take me out.
Any time. Weve got plenty of deer to shoot, small property or not

Actually got pics on the way to work today of an 8 point that is showing real potential.
The idiot part of me wants to go Rambo and drop out of a tree on one and get it with a knife. Hog hunt style.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:47:37 PM EDT
The buck I mentioned earlier. Considering he's got a couple months of growing before the velvet comes off, and he looks young to have a rack like this I see a lot of potential in him. He's on posted land so if a car doesn't hit him he should be a big one in a couple years.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 11:05:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shack357:
The buck I mentioned earlier. Considering he's got a couple months of growing before the velvet comes off, and he looks young to have a rack like this I see a lot of potential in him. He's on posted land so if a car doesn't hit him he should be a big one in a couple years.
https://i.imgur.com/VJNk9Be.jpg
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Nice looking buck for sure!
Link Posted: 7/13/2019 3:25:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/13/2019 3:50:53 AM EDT by Greyhunter]
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Originally Posted By slims_88:

The idiot part of me wants to go Rambo and drop out of a tree on one and get it with a knife. Hog hunt style.
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That is a nice looking buck. Iowa is full of them and some of them are really big, world class in fact. This state kind of sucks for a lot of things like weather, recreaation, wages, until recently a lot of NFA stuff. Hell even most of our women are corn fed and big. The one single thing that Iowa is known for in the outdoor world is our deer, world renowned and people pay over $500 for a tag to hunt here and wait years for the opportunity. I know I will get labled a fud for saying this but there are two basic reasons why we have the best deer hunting in America... #1 is that we have great soils which grow great crops which feed the deer well year round, and #2 is because of our restricive deer hunting laws. We cant't gun hunt in the rut and we are restricted to shorter range weapons during gun season.
I'm all about expanding our 2A rights, I see no reason we shouldn't be allowed to own MG's here. I'm ok with the straight wall cartridge law because slugs suck and arent accurate and result in more wounded deer, my 450 is much more accurate than any slug gun I ever owned. But I think we should stop there.
Yeah i'm a trophy bowhunter... and a shotgun hunter, and a muzzeloader hunter. And I take my kids hunting and let them shoot whatever they want. But I'm lucky enough to live the the worlds greatest deer hunting state and I have expended countless hours and enourmus amounts of energy trying to grow and kill big deer. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose but the fact that those big deer are out there is what makes it fun.
Just as we rightfully claim that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting, we should also remember that restrictions on hunting are not neccesarily restrictions on the second amendment. Sometimes they are for our own damn good!
Flame away....

Edit: I didn't mean to quote Slims88 and this has nothing to do with the .350 legend (might buy one for my kids for low recoil) other than the nevereding quest to allow all rifle calibers, but the constant attiude on this site that anything the DNR wants to restrict is evil seems very shortsighted to me. Once the resource is gone we won't get it back, be careful what you wish for.
Link Posted: 7/13/2019 9:24:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Greyhunter:

That is a nice looking buck. Iowa is full of them and some of them are really big, world class in fact. This state kind of sucks for a lot of things like weather, recreaation, wages, until recently a lot of NFA stuff. Hell even most of our women are corn fed and big. The one single thing that Iowa is known for in the outdoor world is our deer, world renowned and people pay over $500 for a tag to hunt here and wait years for the opportunity. I know I will get labled a fud for saying this but there are two basic reasons why we have the best deer hunting in America... #1 is that we have great soils which grow great crops which feed the deer well year round, and #2 is because of our restricive deer hunting laws. We cant't gun hunt in the rut and we are restricted to shorter range weapons during gun season.
I'm all about expanding our 2A rights, I see no reason we shouldn't be allowed to own MG's here. I'm ok with the straight wall cartridge law because slugs suck and arent accurate and result in more wounded deer, my 450 is much more accurate than any slug gun I ever owned. But I think we should stop there.
Yeah i'm a trophy bowhunter... and a shotgun hunter, and a muzzeloader hunter. And I take my kids hunting and let them shoot whatever they want. But I'm lucky enough to live the the worlds greatest deer hunting state and I have expended countless hours and enourmus amounts of energy trying to grow and kill big deer. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose but the fact that those big deer are out there is what makes it fun.
Just as we rightfully claim that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting, we should also remember that restrictions on hunting are not neccesarily restrictions on the second amendment. Sometimes they are for our own damn good!
Flame away....

Edit: I didn't mean to quote Slims88 and this has nothing to do with the .350 legend (might buy one for my kids for low recoil) other than the nevereding quest to allow all rifle calibers, but the constant attiude on this site that anything the DNR wants to restrict is evil seems very shortsighted to me. Once the resource is gone we won't get it back, be careful what you wish for.
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Seasons are already restrictive enough. Some of the southern states are allowed to shoot a deer a day. Allowing .30-06 won't cause deer to stop getting big. If that was the case it would have already happened. Poachers use whatever they want.

That, and we need the deer population knocked down. When I can drive gravel and see 65 deer in one field, with another 20 in the ditch, there are too many.
Link Posted: 7/13/2019 11:04:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/13/2019 11:05:40 AM EDT by river_rat]
County by county quotas are there to regulate the deer population on a very local scale. If a population is down in a county the quota is decreased. If the population increases the quota is increased. There is your population control. What caliber of rifle a hunter can use will not have any effect on the population as it is being well controlled.The population in the area where I live over the last 21 years has been brought under control by this method. I used to see quite a few deer daily in my travels to and from work (mostly) and other travels. Now I don't see near as many and haven't for several years, even before straight wall laws. Actually if anything the DNR may be issuing a few too many. Legally hunters can only shoot what they are allowed to shoot. Calibers of rifles will not have a lasting effect for more than maybe a year or two as the county quotas are adjusted to meet the harvest. So the argument of using longer range calibers as detrimental is a useless argument.
Link Posted: 7/13/2019 6:02:36 PM EDT
My issue isn't really with caliber regulations. It just seems to me that our current regs have resulted in a winning combination, even if by accident, but every year there are a bunch of new proposals to screw with everything.
Link Posted: 7/18/2019 11:38:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/18/2019 11:40:23 PM EDT by Iowaredneck]
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Originally Posted By shack357:

Seasons are already restrictive enough. Some of the southern states are allowed to shoot a deer a day. Allowing .30-06 won't cause deer to stop getting big. If that was the case it would have already happened. Poachers use whatever they want.

That, and we need the deer population knocked down. When I can drive gravel and see 65 deer in one field, with another 20 in the ditch, there are too many.
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When deer are shot at 1.5 that stops them from getting big I definitely dont think it should be a any thing goes when it comes to centerfire deer blasting

ETA and I love killing the crap out of deer
Link Posted: 7/19/2019 9:04:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Iowaredneck:

When deer are shot at 1.5 that stops them from getting big I definitely dont think it should be a any thing goes when it comes to centerfire deer blasting

ETA and I love killing the crap out of deer
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A different gun doesn't cause deer to get shot while young either. I know a LOT of people who already shoot the first deer they see...some so small I think they blew the spots off.
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