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Posted: 8/16/2018 2:25:45 PM EDT
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I figure it might be a stretch, but the rules for pistols are a single shot, 30 or bigger caliber. So, would an AR pistol with the gas tube removed count? Wishful thinking most likely and you would definitely get the attention of the dnr I would assume. What do you use for pistol season? Attention or not - if you are legit, the DNR can ask but after you answer they should move along. Although, "Yes, I realize this is a pistol with a 16" barrel, but ..." might be interesting? |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 5:23:01 PM EDT
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I was thinking using a set screw or clamp on gas block and removing it for hunting. Don’t want to start a caliber war but it might be the ticket for using an AR pistol in illinois for hunting, which would be awesome.
Eta: looks like the case length might disqualify it, must be less than 1.4 inches case length |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 7:58:09 PM EDT
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I was thinking using a set screw or clamp on gas block and removing it for hunting. Don’t want to start a caliber war but it might be the ticket for using an AR pistol in illinois for hunting, which would be awesome. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 7:44:26 AM EDT
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All you need is a single shot lower. It doesn't matter if the brass ejects since there's no way for the pistol to reload.
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Posted: 8/23/2018 1:58:00 AM EDT
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I was thinking using a set screw or clamp on gas block and removing it for hunting. Don’t want to start a caliber war but it might be the ticket for using an AR pistol in illinois for hunting, which would be awesome. Eta: looks like the case length might disqualify it, must be less than 1.4 inches case length Simply removing a gas block or gas tube will result in a dangerous blast of gas somewhere you don't want it. Clamp over the gas port, use a single shot lower, or use a SLED. It's completely ignorant, which makes it completely consistent for Illinois, to limit handguns to single shot unless it's a revolver and then it's unlimited... while shotguns are allowed 2+1. 5+1 for handguns would put manually operated or semi-auto on relative parity to revolvers but that would make way too much sense. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 2:40:25 AM EDT
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All you need is a single shot lower. It doesn't matter if the brass ejects since there's no way for the pistol to reload. If you can load a magazine it is not single shot I own a semi automatic single shot Winchester 22...it has a trap door that you use to reload after ever shot but it is a semi auto. Get a single shot ar lower or weld the magwell so it can't take a magazine and you have by definition made it single shot as it has to be reloaded every time after being fired. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 10:13:04 AM EDT
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I have used a .300BLkOut pistol for several years. I use a T/C Encore it started as a pistol frame (just to be safe) Bergera barrel and a SBx Brace.
A single shot is a firearm that can only fire a single round. I know guys who use AR15 .300 Blk pistols without a magazine assembly in their possession and have not had any issues. Do what you feel comfortable with, but if you are using it without a magazine or with a sled, I would not have an operable magazine in possession in the field while deer hunting. We need a concentrated push for legalizing pistols caliber rifles. All adjoining states now allow pistol (or rifle) caliber for deer hunting. These would so much more kid and women friendly deer hunting firearms. Problem is loudest outcry will come from other hunters (bowhunters). |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 7:04:23 PM EDT
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Thanks for the replies, lots to think about. I had no idea they made single shot lowers but for the price it would be cheaper to bubba an Anderson or 80% lower.
I agree with RRA15 that rifle calibers should be allowed, if anything for youths for starters. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 7:15:48 PM EDT
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I might be mistaken, but I thought Illinois didn't allow bottleneck cases for pistol hunting. When I was considering a .300 BLK several years ago, the case shape topic came up in discussion with friends.
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Posted: 8/24/2018 7:42:03 PM EDT
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https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Pages/HuntingDevicesandAmmunition.aspx
Deer Centerfire revolvers or centerfire single-shot handguns of .30 caliber or larger with a minimum barrel length of 4 inches. For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger with a case length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger, both of which must be available as a factory load with the published ballistic tables of the manufacturer showing a capability of at least 500 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Note: There is no case length limit for straight-walled cartridges. Non-expanding military style full metal jacket bullets cannot be used to harvest white-tailed deer; only soft point or expanding bullets (including copper / copper-alloy rounds designed for hunting) are legal ammunition. |
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Posted: 8/24/2018 8:17:07 PM EDT
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Thanks. I was mistaken or my info was not up to date. Moot point now. I've moved to Missouri and plan to hunt my own land. Maybe I'll use my 10" .300BLK here with a magazine attached.
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Posted: 8/24/2018 11:56:51 PM EDT
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I agree with RRA15 that rifle calibers should be allowed Since the whole rationale for the firearms & caliber restrictions is because of the danger of errant long-distance projectiles, allowing people to use the firearms that have the highest potential to hit the target would obviously be an improvement. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 1:50:41 AM EDT
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By " SLED " , do you guys mean something like this?
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Posted: 8/25/2018 2:14:08 AM EDT
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By " SLED " , do you guys mean something like this? https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.creedmoorsports.com/images/popup/AR6mmSled.png |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 3:29:45 PM EDT
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Yes. Sooooo....are some Illinois people taking something like this:  Attached Filein .300 Blackout... inserting a "SLED" like pictured above, and hunting with their AR pistol...here in Illinois? |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 4:51:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, thank you sir! Sooooo....are some Illinois people taking something like this: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/369122/Screenshot_20180807-160158-650823.JPG in .300 Blackout... inserting a "SLED" like pictured above, and hunting with their AR pistol...here in Illinois? It's ok to stick a dowel rod in a shotgun magazine to reduce the capacity to legal limits, the same should also apply to reducing magazine capacity to zero. Fixing this glitch should be on the radar of someone in the legislative body. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 5:38:53 PM EDT
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Looks like a plan to me. As previously mentioned I would not have a magazine in my possession if you're using a standard lower. The SLED is something for high power shooting, but if you're hunting where you could point the firearm at the ground while loading it would not be necessary. If you were paranoid you could put in a SLED and fix it in place with a nut on a mag release or something like that. Delrin takes drilling and tapping pretty easy, so I reckon if you drilled a hole up at an angle and tapped, one could insert the sled in the mag well. Then you could thread a screw of whatever sort through the sled. Then you can crank down on it basically locking the sled into the magwell. Then leave whatever tool or allen wrench you used to tighten the screw behind...before you head out to the treestand. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 8:41:41 PM EDT
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Looks like a plan to me. As previously mentioned I would not have a magazine in my possession if you're using a standard lower. The SLED is something for high power shooting, but if you're hunting where you could point the firearm at the ground while loading it would not be necessary. If you were paranoid you could put in a SLED and fix it in place with a nut on a mag release or something like that. It's ok to stick a dowel rod in a shotgun magazine to reduce the capacity to legal limits, the same should also apply to reducing magazine capacity to zero. Fixing this glitch should be on the radar of someone in the legislative body. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 10:21:52 PM EDT
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Forgive me for another possibly stupid question, but where is the actual definition of single shot pistol in the wildlife code? Or the rule saying it cannot be magazine fed at all?
It matters for which way to go about making this work. No mags equals sled/single shot lower, mag ok then brings up capacity and gasless upper of some sort. I am planning on buying a 300 blk pistol either way, using it for hunting would be some sweet icing on the cake. Again, thanks for the replies, I think this opens up a really cool option for illinois hunters. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 2:46:09 AM EDT
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I decided this year to get a 300 bo barrel for my contender ...surprisingly hard to find in stock..i could only find a 16 inch. CVA used to make a pistol but it is hard to find in 300 bo.
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Posted: 8/26/2018 12:15:50 PM EDT
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slight thread drift...sorry...
I have not hunted deer since I moved back to this state in 1998. The only deer "hunting" I have done before was on Ft. Bragg...and that was with a rifle... an M1A to be exact. As I understand it, here in Illinois, if you plan on hunting with a shotgun and slug, then like way back in April, you were supposed to put in for your tags and committ yourself to whatever county...right? So if you intend to hunt with a pistol this fall, were you supposed to have already put in for your tags in the spring? Or can you buy pistol tags any time over the counter for any county? When is pistol season anyway? EDIT: 
nothing like the last minute to ask all these pertinent questions. 
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Posted: 8/26/2018 12:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I contacted the dnr a few years back and was told it had to be a single shot lower. That it couldn't be modified to be a single shot. Originally I wanted to put a single shot follower into a magazine and lock it into place but was told I couldn't modify it to be single shot. Not really specified in the regs so it's whatever your comfortable with. The CO's in my area are pricks so I went with the dedicated lower to be safe. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 12:31:50 PM EDT
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Forgive me for another possibly stupid question, but where is the actual definition of single shot pistol in the wildlife code? Or the rule saying it cannot be magazine fed at all? It matters for which way to go about making this work. No mags equals sled/single shot lower, mag ok then brings up capacity and gasless upper of some sort. I am planning on buying a 300 blk pistol either way, using it for hunting would be some sweet icing on the cake. Again, thanks for the replies, I think this opens up a really cool option for illinois hunters. I bought a Sig MCX/Hybrid " pistol " in .300 Blackout earlier this month. I put an EOtech on it. As far as a range toy goes, it is lots of fun 
(if I lived over in Missouri, I could make it more funner  )
So it was about a week ago that I read somewhere that Indiana legalized .300 Blackout for deer hunting. In turn, that prompted me to ask or look into hunting with my new toy in this state. I figure worst case scenario, I could always put an optic on a Smith and Wesson 686 I have and stuff it with .357 Magnums. I mean that is if I really, really wanted to try hunting pistol this year. I would still have to buy a tree stand and all the other paraphenalia. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 12:48:01 PM EDT
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Forgive me for another possibly stupid question, but where is the actual definition of single shot pistol in the wildlife code? Or the rule saying it cannot be magazine fed at all? It matters for which way to go about making this work. No mags equals sled/single shot lower, mag ok then brings up capacity and gasless upper of some sort. I am planning on buying a 300 blk pistol either way, using it for hunting would be some sweet icing on the cake. Again, thanks for the replies, I think this opens up a really cool option for illinois hunters. What would have been really cool is if the IL DNR would have bumped the bottlenecked case dimension to say 1.53". That way 7.62X39 could get to "play" as well. But I would imagine seeing camo'ed up hunters stomping around the woods with pistols that look like AK47s is too scary for some people. And it would have offered up more barrel choices for guys with Contenders....as long as everybody used non-FMJ 7.62X39 rounds. And what would be even more cooler is if the IL DNR had an FAQ section on its website, where this exact question we are all asking could be asked, answered, and published for all to see. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 1:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is pistol season anyway? EDIT:
nothing like the last minute to ask all these pertinent questions. Seasons and application/permit info https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/deer/Pages/DeerSeasonsDeadlinesAvailablePermits.aspx SEASON DATES • 1st Firearm Season: Nov. 16 - 18, 2018 • 2nd Firearm Season: Nov. 29 - Dec. 2, 2018 •2018 Muzzleloader Deer Seasons Muzzleloader 1st Season - November 29 & 30; December 1 & 2 Muzzleloader-Only Season - December 7, 8 & 9 Muzzleloader-Only Season: Dec. 7 - 9, 2018 (Hunters may also use a muzzleloader permit with a muzzleloader during 2nd Firearm Season Nov. 29 - Dec. 2) • 2018 Archery Deer Season: October 1, 2018 - January 20, 2019 • 2018 Youth Firearm Deer Season: October 6, 7 & 8 Hunting Hours One-half hour before sunrise to one-half hour after sunset. Persons hunting deer must have gun unloaded during hours when deer hunting is unlawful. See “Legal Hunting Devices” for description of unloaded muzzleloader. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 2:17:03 PM EDT
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Thought there was a separate handgun season at one time but found nothing on a separate season now. Seasons and application/permit info https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/deer/Pages/DeerSeasonsDeadlinesAvailablePermits.aspx SEASON DATES • 1st Firearm Season: Nov. 16 - 18, 2018 • 2nd Firearm Season: Nov. 29 - Dec. 2, 2018 •2018 Muzzleloader Deer Seasons Muzzleloader 1st Season - November 29 & 30; December 1 & 2 Muzzleloader-Only Season - December 7, 8 & 9 Muzzleloader-Only Season: Dec. 7 - 9, 2018 (Hunters may also use a muzzleloader permit with a muzzleloader during 2nd Firearm Season Nov. 29 - Dec. 2) • 2018 Archery Deer Season: October 1, 2018 - January 20, 2019 • 2018 Youth Firearm Deer Season: October 6, 7 & 8 Hunting Hours One-half hour before sunrise to one-half hour after sunset. Persons hunting deer must have gun unloaded during hours when deer hunting is unlawful. See “Legal Hunting Devices” for description of unloaded muzzleloader. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thought there was a separate handgun season at one time but found nothing on a separate season now. Seasons and application/permit info https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/deer/Pages/DeerSeasonsDeadlinesAvailablePermits.aspx SEASON DATES • 1st Firearm Season: Nov. 16 - 18, 2018 • 2nd Firearm Season: Nov. 29 - Dec. 2, 2018 •2018 Muzzleloader Deer Seasons Muzzleloader 1st Season - November 29 & 30; December 1 & 2 Muzzleloader-Only Season - December 7, 8 & 9 Muzzleloader-Only Season: Dec. 7 - 9, 2018 (Hunters may also use a muzzleloader permit with a muzzleloader during 2nd Firearm Season Nov. 29 - Dec. 2) • 2018 Archery Deer Season: October 1, 2018 - January 20, 2019 • 2018 Youth Firearm Deer Season: October 6, 7 & 8 Hunting Hours One-half hour before sunrise to one-half hour after sunset. Persons hunting deer must have gun unloaded during hours when deer hunting is unlawful. See “Legal Hunting Devices” for description of unloaded muzzleloader. EDIT: it looks to me like the IL DNR is using the catch all term "firearm". Yeah, I also notice there wasn't a specific mention of pistol or handgun season...but on the flip side, there wasn't a specific mention of a shotgun slug only season either. /EDIT It looks to me that because I didn't put in for the first, second, or third lotteries, then my only option is this: ...Remaining Deer/Muzzleloader permits (county-issued) after 3rd Lottery Drawing will go on sale over the counter(OTC) beginning October 16, 2018.... |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 2:58:17 PM EDT
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Thought there was a separate handgun season at one time but found nothing on a separate season now. That was done away with and all firearm seasons were combined. Now you get a firearm tag, and use your choice in firearm be it shotgun, muzzleloader, or handgun. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 3:16:01 PM EDT
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slight thread drift...sorry... I have not hunted deer since I moved back to this state in 1998. The only deer "hunting" I have done before was on Ft. Bragg...and that was with a rifle... an M1A to be exact. As I understand it, here in Illinois, if you plan on hunting with a shotgun and slug, then like way back in April, you were supposed to put in for your tags and committ yourself to whatever county...right? So if you intend to hunt with a pistol this fall, were you supposed to have already put in for your tags in the spring? Or can you buy pistol tags any time over the counter for any county? When is pistol season anyway? EDIT:
nothing like the last minute to ask all these pertinent questions. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 7:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. It is a lotto system that starts in April for gun and it is county specific. I already have my tags. Its a lot of work for such a few days being able to hunt with a gun...makes me want to move back to Indiana. I could swear there was a time or two I was at a Huck's or Casey's gas station near there and some guy(s) was buying his deer tags (I am assuming for rifle) right over the counter from the same cashier everybody else was buying their smokes and beer from. This was in the fall...so probably right in or near the start of their deer season. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 1:50:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back when I was a millwright, I did a shutdown/turnaround at the Calloway nuclear power plant near Fulton, MO. I could swear there was a time or two I was at a Huck's or Casey's gas station near there and some guy(s) was buying his deer tags (I am assuming for rifle) right over the counter from the same cashier everybody else was buying their smokes and beer from. This was in the fall...so probably right in or near the start of their deer season. They are now even talking about a lotto for archery in my county...i am not sure how they would work that with archery tags not being county specific |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 8:20:49 PM EDT
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There is No definition in the Wildlife Code or the Administrative rules of a Single Shot Pistol. Only a Minimum barrel length (4") and caliber requirements.
Good Luck! |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 4:06:39 PM EDT
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I've been using an AR pistol in 300AAC for a couple of years now. A devise that prohibits the gun from automatically loading another round is all that is needed. This can be accomplished as easily as using a sled or a single-shot follower in a standard magazine. The latter is what I have been using. I have shown my rig to three CPOs and all have approved of the conversion.
It's important to remember that the law concerns the loading of the firearm. That it automatically ejects the shell means nothing. I don't know why guys tend to make this harder than it needs to be. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 10:56:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back when I was a millwright, I did a shutdown/turnaround at the Calloway nuclear power plant near Fulton, MO. I could swear there was a time or two I was at a Huck's or Casey's gas station near there and some guy(s) was buying his deer tags (I am assuming for rifle) right over the counter from the same cashier everybody else was buying their smokes and beer from. This was in the fall...so probably right in or near the start of their deer season. If you are in a high demand county, with fewer tags, you need to get it in the lottery. I can buy doe tags over the counter any time through season where I go, but buck tags are probably gone, but I have had some luck on the first week of over the counter sales. |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 2:09:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2018 7:24:12 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326156/Screenshot_20180901-010833_Gallery-657575.JPG Just got my barrel in for my TC I kid....I kid...
That muzzle looks threaded.... Which optic are you going with? |
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Posted: 9/2/2018 7:47:38 AM EDT
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I've been using an AR pistol in 300AAC for a couple of years now. A devise that prohibits the gun from automatically loading another round is all that is needed. This can be accomplished as easily as using a sled or a single-shot follower in a standard magazine. The latter is what I have been using. I have shown my rig to three CPOs and all have approved of the conversion. It's important to remember that the law concerns the loading of the firearm. That it automatically ejects the shell means nothing. I don't know why guys tend to make this harder than it needs to be. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 1:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: needs more Sig brace. I kid....I kid...
That muzzle looks threaded.... Which optic are you going with?
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Posted: 9/9/2018 10:26:43 PM EDT
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needs more Sig brace. I kid....I kid...
That muzzle looks threaded.... Which optic are you going with? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326156/Screenshot_20180901-010833_Gallery-657575.JPG Just got my barrel in for my TC I kid....I kid...
That muzzle looks threaded.... Which optic are you going with? .30 Bellm on top, .357 Max on bottom.
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Posted: 9/10/2018 12:08:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No kidding! .30 Bellm on top, .357 Max on bottom.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327879/EA966176-A75E-4590-BCDA-F3AA1E77CAA6-666904.JPG |
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Posted: 10/19/2018 12:52:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2018 11:25:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can, but it depends on the county. If you are in a high demand county, with fewer tags, you need to get it in the lottery. I can buy doe tags over the counter any time through season where I go, but buck tags are probably gone, but I have had some luck on the first week of over the counter sales. The OTC stuff is typically for private land and you need a site specific firearm tag for public hunting areas. However some public areas have lotteries where the morning of they let out a couple walk-ons who get lucky or other arrangements if you missed the state lottery. It would be best to check the hunter fact sheet of any place you would consider going. |
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