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Look in the 12-10-05 shotgun news for a column on this written by Vin Suprynowicz.
I get the distinct impression that the sherrifs association and many individual sherrifs do not like CCW holders much. They do respond to pressure from us though and thats not all bad. Metro (read Sherriff BIll Young)apparently does not like CCW holders at all, and only issue the CCWs because the law MAKES them. This has been reenforced by statements made on the radio when I can catch him on kdwn, as well at the reported attitudes of officers/CCW holders interactions, that have been reported here and in other boards. ATF makes up their own rules as to annual checking of CCW holders, I have not been able to find any regulation that requires periodic NICS checking of CCW holders. IF you find one let me know. WE are not alone in this fiasco. ATF pulled this crap on 2 other states as well. |
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Some Sheriff's don't like the "shall issue" laws because they hurt their campaign donations.
A lot of people that were annointed CCW's in the old days, happened to be "good o'le boys" and or campaign donors... I heard that part of the ATF audit problem was that some SO's would give their buddies CCW's without charging for, or "conducting" the backgrounds. Edited to add: I was apparently incorrect, please see what really happened on page 3... |
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Tag. Anyone heard anything new? I want to pick up an AK receiver and don't feel like spending $25 for a NICS check on a $55 receiver!
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I heard somewhere that they are still working on it. Hopefully by the middle of the month it will be back to the way it used to be. Who knows though?
Jim Mayhugh and John Cahill probably know more than most on the issue. I am not sure if John Cahill posts here, but I guess if you see a post from JM he probably has some good news. |
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As of today 03 Jan 06.
Buddy bought a G17L (with his Xmas return stuff to Target and get cash) this morning with a CCW and paid the background fee. V OUT |
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Sounds like things are progressing nicely! Let's keep our fingers crossed!
From the Record Courier
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Here's the last note I got from John:
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I guess I found out what really happened.
Some The question was poorly worded. Some of the SO's said "no", meaning that they never had a "Resident Alien" apply, not that they wouldn't check with ICE if one did apply. Some SO's didn't reply at all. Just a big cluster that the Sheriff's and Chief's Assn is blaming on the ATF... I am sure the Sheriff's and Chiefs Assn will try to take credit for ending this "power grab" by the ATF. Got to love politics.... BTW, If anything I have written is incorrect, please correct me!!!!!!!! ETA - Agency corrected. |
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Thanks Arashi! I had been wondering how this CF had begun in the first place. |
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The CCW exemption is back :)
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/010506nevadaffl-openletter.pdf I will still be pushing my state reps to abolish the $25 fee for something that can be done by the FBI for free though. |
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How can they justify a $25 fee for a process that takes less than 30 seconds to complete, on a system that is already in place, and there is no real cost except for the person answering the phone??
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DPS gets to keep the $25. It should go to the general fund. Ask DPS why the "smog program" had something like 100 ballistic vests, guns, etc, in inventory????? They used the "smog funds" as a slush fund... Think about that next time you pay and wait for a smog check... I think I will use the freedom of info act to get the inventory of the NV NICS program... It could get interesting. They will probably cite some "homeland security" crap to stop the request. DPS has had a lot of corruption lately. Then again, so has nearly all levels of public service in Vegas. It gives all of the good guys a bad name. |
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Lt. Robert DuVall was the Lt. in charge of the LVMPD Firearms detail (including the CCW detail), and was also the Chairman for the Concealed Weapons Subcommittee for The Nevada Sheriffs' and Chiefs' Association. He has since moved onto another assignment. |
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Spoke to Glen at Bargain Pawn today he told me the CCW exemption is now back in force as of this morning
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Please do this if you have the skills. It might turn out to be very informative. Sidenote: We have no SMOG in Douglas county, nor do we have a SMOG check. |
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We won!
Bring on the dancing bananas! Yeah, baby! Best, John Bear Ross |
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Has this been checked out?????? Think I'll call my guy in Carson city tomorrow morning. Hope its true.
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2 FFL's I spoke to today in Vegas have been told and are bsck to using the CCW instead of NICS
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Just tell them Jim Mayhugh said it was ok. |
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yes here www.atf.gov/firearms/010506nevadaffl-openletter.pdf |
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Thanks arashi |
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I swung through Carason Armory yesterday, and they verified it. We're back to ETF |
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Glad to see this squared away. Thanks to everyone that worked so hard to help restore our privledges.
Why am I not surprised to find an LVMPD officer at the bottom of this stinky mess? Was this guy promoted for this stunt, or was his reassignment punishment? Lem |
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.....causes me to wonder.........inasmuch as "CCW's" are a "privileged" class, are there any other groups in NV also exempt from NICS check and fee?? (leo, etc?) |
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Actually, no. If the firearm is department issued, there's no NICS check, since it's a department gun. If the LEO purchases the firearm, even on department letterhead, the LEO has to pay the NICS check if he doesn't have a valid Concealed Firearms Permit. |
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OHHH, and that pisses me off to no end. My boss can sign CCW's for Joe Citizen, and that person can get the $25 fee waived when purchasing ANY firearm. As an LEO, I can't even take a letter from my BOSS (the SHERIFF), and have the check fee waived. I can carry concealed and everything, and go through the same background checks to get the job, and have even more training, and still can't get the waiver. Makes no sense to me. |
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I went into Special Interest Arms yesterday (day before yesterday now, I guess) with a printout of said .pdf in hand so as to pick up my AK receiver (that he had been holding for several weeks now but due to my current economic situation, couldn't spring, seeing as how paying both the transfer AND the NCIS would double the price of said bit of stamped sheet metal). The day I came in with my printout from atf.gov, Richard (God bless 'im) proceeded to throw a swearing tantrum, preturbed that Point Of Sale hadn't bothered to inform him that the NCIS exemption was back in effect, despite having talked to them no less than three times before I had come in.
Richard then called Chet up at Nevada Gun Exchange, who informed him that Point Of Sale informed them first thing in the morning that the exemption was back in effect. Richard then proceeded to diatribe about how the whole world is against him and there's a massive anti-Richard conspiracy and if he drove around town with his car in the same state of smashed-uppitdness as mine that the local constabulary would have harassed him to no end. Dwelling in this town are more bizzare characters than in the late Hunter S. Thompson's psylocybin-addled cortex, by cracky. And the best part. I don't really need this damned AK74, as I bought the .223 Norinco from Gunmonkey last month. So yeah, Hoorj for the exemption being back in effect. I hear tale that 3:5 firearms purchasers in this state have CCW permits, and since we're all Jewy-Jew McHeebypants and refuse to pay an extra twenty five dollars atop the multiple hundreds of dollars we spend on our firearms purchases, that firearms purchases have been down all across the state. One can say that the revocation of the waiver was an act of economic terrorism against the mercantile class of Nevada, a powerstroke against the bourgoisese who rely on the public's desire to own possessions so as to survive. It's a God-damned consipiracy, I tell you! |
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I told you so... The Sheriff's and Chief's Assn are trying to spin their f**k up into a something good and the NRA is buying it... If CCW holders hadn't bitched, do you think the Sheriff's would have fixed it???
I just received an email from NRA-ILA asking me to "thank" the Nevada Sheriffs. What a bunch of crap!: Please Contact and Thank Your Nevada Sheriff! As of January 5, 2006, ATF agreed to allow Nevada's CCW permits to qualify as an alternative to a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). As reported by your NRA in 2005, ATF conducted an audit that found a handful of Nevada Sheriffs not in compliance with federal law in relation to their permit issuance process, which resulted in the suspension of the exemption. Thanks to your letters and phone calls, the Nevada Department of Public Safety and the Nevada Chiefs and Sheriffs Association signed a Memorandum of Understanding addressing the concerns raised by ATF in the audit, thereby allowing the Nevada CCW permits to be an acceptable alternative. Please take a moment to contact your local Sheriff to say thank you for their quick action! Carson City, Sheriff Kenny Furlong, (775) 887-2020 x1901, [email protected] Churchill County, Sheriff Richard Ingram, (775) 423-3116, [email protected] Clark County, Sheriff Bill Young, (702) 229-3231, [email protected] Douglas County, Sheriff Ron Pierini, (775) 782-9900, [email protected] Elko County, Sheriff Neil Harris, (775) 738-3421, [email protected] Esmeralda County, Sheriff Kenneth Elgan, (775) 485-6373 Eureka County, Sheriff Laurance Etter, (775) 237-5330, [email protected] Humboldt County, Sheriff Gene A. Hill, (775) 623-6419, [email protected] Lander County, Sheriff Ron Unger, (775) 635-1100, [email protected] Lincoln County, Sheriff Dahl Bradfield, (775) 962-5151 Lyon County, Sheriff Sid Smith, (775) 463-6600, [email protected] Mineral County, Sheriff Richard L. McKellip, (775) 945-2434 Nye County, Sheriff Anthony L. De Meo, (775) 482-8110, [email protected] Pershing County, Sheriff Ron Skinner, (775) 273-2641, [email protected] Storey County, Sheriff James Miller, (775) 847-0959 Washoe County, Sheriff Dennis Balaam, (775) 328-3001 White Pine County, Sheriff Bernie Romero, (775) 289-8808, [email protected] |
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i emailed all the sheriffs departments in the state bitching about the BATF/CCW fiasco.......guess i'll email a few and thank them. Afew of them were pissed that they pulled this shit to begin with.
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Nope, that is wrong. On the letterhead, the background check is already listed as being completed. There is NO NICS fee when you pick up a handgun with a letterhead. The letterhead is only for weapons used in the performance of duties including off-duty or back up weapons. The letterhead also allows for a FFL from any state to sell to you and all they do is ship it direct to your dept. |
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Whoops, you're correct, it's private sales to LEOs that require a NICS or CCW. |
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Private sales??
Or do you mean sales for personal use from a FFL?? That is correct there. Either a CCW or NICS fee will apply. Private sales don't require any background check........especially since there is no program for performing such checks? |
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Yeah, that. Not sales between individuals. |
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