....Well I survived Friday and no one came and tapped me on the shoulder! I just might survive this thing! Actually I think it's possible that the HR Libtards might let this thing blow over. They didn't get the reaction from me that they wanted when they tried to push my buttons and the fact that another friend of mine stood up for me when they hauled his ass in the day before might give these guys reason to pause.

Quoted: If they even try that it will backfire on them very badly. My daughter in law is African American. They're gonn'a have a real difficult time playing the race card on me!

And you're trying to say that because your daughter in law is an African American you can't be racist?

Quoted: Quoted: If they even try that it will backfire on them very badly. My daughter in law is African American. They're gonn'a have a real difficult time playing the race card on me! And you're trying to say that because your daughter in law is an African American you can't be racist?

I think "racist" is the most abused word in American culture.

Quoted: Quoted: If they even try that it will backfire on them very badly. My daughter in law is African American. They're gonn'a have a real difficult time playing the race card on me! And you're trying to say that because your daughter in law is an African American you can't be racist?

If I am a racist then I didn't teach my son very good did I?

Quoted: And you're trying to say that because your daughter in law is an African American you can't be racist?

You are going to have to follow the threads closer, he is racist from what he called himself.

Quoted: You are going to have to follow the threads closer, he is racist from what he called himself.

I have been following the threads very close.  He was doing fine until he made that statement.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If they even try that it will backfire on them very badly. My daughter in law is African American. They're gonn'a have a real difficult time playing the race card on me! And you're trying to say that because your daughter in law is an African American you can't be racist? If I am a racist then I didn't teach my son very good did I?

Don't know, you tell me.  Either that or "he didn't want to be you."

Okay, let’s say it’s Engineer of the Year (and not Black Engineer of the Year) and heavens forbid that a minority was selected.  Based on your comments on this thread, you are probably the type who will say:  “He was selected because he is a minority.”

Last year at work during the cultural/ethnic weeks, someone asked me when is the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) week.  I told him:  “I’m surprised you missed it, it’s 52 weeks every year.”

When I was in the Navy there was this red neck from the South who married an Asian girl.  So I guess he not prejudiced, right?  You should hear him talk about Asian this, Asian that, Black this and Black that.  I guess he is not prejudiced because he is married to a minority.

You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training.  And it’s the ultimate low to use your daughter-in-law as an example to cover your tracks.  I’m sure she will be very thrilled about that fact.

Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now.  Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

Quoted: Okay, let’s say it’s Engineer of the Year (and not Black Engineer of the Year) and heavens forbid that a minority was selected. Based on your comments on this thread, you are probably the type who will say: “He was selected because he is a minority.” Last year at work during the cultural/ethnic weeks, someone asked me when is the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) week. I told him: “I’m surprised you missed it, it’s 52 weeks every year.” When I was in the Navy there was this red neck from the South who married an Asian girl. So I guess he not prejudiced, right? You should hear him talk about Asian this, Asian that, Black this and Black that. I guess he is not prejudiced because he is married to a minority. You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training. And it’s the ultimate low to use your daughter-in-law as an example to cover your tracks. I’m sure she will be very thrilled about that fact. Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now. Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

Man, that chip on your shoulder must give you a sore neck.

Quoted: Okay, let’s say it’s Engineer of the Year (and not Black Engineer of the Year) and heavens forbid that a minority was selected.  Based on your comments on this thread, you are probably the type who will say:  “He was selected because he is a minority.” Last year at work during the cultural/ethnic weeks, someone asked me when is the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) week.  I told him:  “I’m surprised you missed it, it’s 52 weeks every year.” When I was in the Navy there was this red neck from the South who married an Asian girl.  So I guess he not prejudiced, right?  You should hear him talk about Asian this, Asian that, Black this and Black that.  I guess he is not prejudiced because he is married to a minority. You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training.  And it’s the ultimate low to use your daughter-in-law as an example to cover your tracks.  I’m sure she will be very thrilled about that fact. Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now.  Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

We all have prejudice and bias. We are not all racist. Those who work the hardest to say they aren't are usually the deepest ones.

Quoted: Quoted: You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training.

Which WASP???

CAVVET???????????

Quoted: You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training.

Who is this guy?...


Come on fess up...

Who's Troll account?...

You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training. And it’s the ultimate low to use your daughter-in-law as an example to cover your tracks. I’m sure she will be very thrilled about that fact. Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now. Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

Yup, you are on my $hit list, and you can keep your opinions. You came in here shoving your socialist doctrine down people's throats and I don't like people tell me how to act. My views are based on decades of real world experience and all the sensitivity bullshit was eradicated by having to interact with cold-blooded, hard-hearted assholes who just want what's mine, for themselves.

You might prefer to find some like-minded naive, idealistic people to hangout with instead, just having an AR isn't going to win my respect.

We have people across the political spectrum in here, with a diverse ethnic and cultural backround. We don't agree on a lot of things, but we respect each other's right to their own views, even if their view sucks.

Da_Bunny (WASP-and proud of it)

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You Sir (and the WASP person above) need to attend some serious sensitivity training. Which WASP??? CAVVET???????????

Did one of you guys pony up and get me an Honorary WASP membership?


I am truly touched.
NewToyAR15-, go back and reread my first post in this thread until reality sinks in. Devin, is that you?





And if you want me to Clarence Thomas you I will, you can hear first hand from a  Black man exactly why AA is bs, why the exact topic of this thread is left wing commie bullshit, and why you, like most libs have no clue.

Quoted: Okay, let’s say it’s Engineer of the Year (and not Black Engineer of the Year) and heavens forbid that a minority was selected.  Based on your comments on this thread, you are probably the type who will say:  “He was selected because he is a minority.”

So now you are projecting your mindset as demonstrated in the following quote onto everyone else?

Last year at work during the cultural/ethnic weeks, someone asked me when is the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) week.  I told him:  “I’m surprised you missed it, it’s 52 weeks every year.”

And you think someone else needs a class? You need to have that commie pinko bullshit liposucked out of your noggin, if you actually believe the above. I know a zillion White people who have life a lot worse than me and a zillon Black people who have it better than me. It all comes down to people are people, good, bad and indifferent, but you seem to think the color of ones skin makes a difference, I dont.

When I was in the Navy there was this red neck from the South who married an Asian girl.  So I guess he not prejudiced, right?  You should hear him talk about Asian this, Asian that, Black this and Black that.  I guess he is not prejudiced because he is married to a minority.

So a redneck (nice prejudge on your part) is by definition is prejudiced? Maybe he just doesnt like assholes? I would guess of fthe cuff if he was a true Aryan Nation follower he wouldnt sleep with let alone marry a...........Whatever. BTW was she Korean, Chinese, Japanese or what? Or do you foten dump them all in one box??

Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now.  Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

Actually we have decided we want you to spend a lot more time here and a lot more time with us at our social gatherings. Since you are already gun friendly we dont have to teach you anything there, but your racial opinions need some attention. We can show you how a scumbag is a scumbag no matter what color, and good guys are good guys no matter what color. And racial setasides are racist no matter what.

Quoted: Quoted: Did one of you guys pony up and get me an Honorary WASP membership? We tried, the membership committee said you didn't meet the minimum basic requirements.

Yup, your union membership was a sticking point.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If they even try that it will backfire on them very badly. My daughter in law is African American. They're gonn'a have a real difficult time playing the race card on me! And you're trying to say that because your daughter in law is an African American you can't be racist? If I am a racist then I didn't teach my son very good did I? Don't know, you tell me.  Either that or "he didn't want to be you."

Dude, you are a low life POS when you insult my family like that. When I made reference to my daughter in law being black I damn sure wasn't trying to use her as a shield to hide my racism as you suggest. She is a very wonderful human being and my son's wedding certainly had my blessing. The marriage also had God's blessing too. He ordained it. For you to insult me, my son and my daughter in law in such a disparraging manner is unexcusable.  

Quoted: Well now that we are DONE with the jabs, bring it back on topic so we don't have to close it.

NewToyAR15 sez: Okay, let’s say it’s Engineer of the Year (and not Black Engineer of the Year) and heavens forbid that a minority was selected. Based on your comments on this thread, you are probably the type who will say: “He was selected because he is a minority.”

That's where you left leaning anti-white racist attitude just blasts thru to the rest of us.  YOU are the one who thinks that all caucasian people who are not ashamed to be caucasian are some form of racist.  

Last year at work during the cultural/ethnic weeks, someone asked me when is the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) week. I told him: “I’m surprised you missed it, it’s 52 weeks every year.”

Why don't you take a minute and explain that little bit of racist anti-caucasian bullshit for the rest of us.  Why are you so offended that this country was built upon a set of freedoms and rights that were put into writing and into law by a "bunch of WASPs"?   If left wing hate mongers such as yourself took a moment to allow them to function as designed you would not need SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR MINORITIES.  

If you had ever read the Constitution, you will notice that it does not exclude any group from any of the mentioned "rights".  What bothers YOU is that those rights apply to people you hate, namely caucasian-americans.

When I was in the Navy there was this red neck from the South who married an Asian girl.

Why don't you go ahead and tell use why you get a pass when it comes to calling caucasians offensive names?  The language seems to indicate you are rather prejudiced and a bit of a hate-monger yourself.  Did this mans asian wife offend you?  

Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now. Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

Sure you get an opinion.  The simple fact is that since you are a left wing socialist, racist anti-american piece of shit means some of us don't care for it.

Oh, and the "african-american engineer of the year" was selected because he was black, not because he engineered anything worth a shit.  If he had engineered anything of value, he would have simply been the "Engineer of the Year".   If you are not willing to select the "caucasian engineer of the year" as well, then you have a racist program to praise the unworthy in a simple minded effort to make them feel like they belong.  It is demeaning to people of all races to exclude them from inclusion simply because of their race and limit them to being the "best minority".

Quoted: Oh, and the "african-american engineer of the year" was selected because he was black, not because he engineered anything worth a shit.  If he had engineered anything of value, he would have simply been the "Engineer of the Year".   If you are not willing to select the "caucasian engineer of the year" as well, then you have a racist program to praise the unworthy in a simple minded effort to make them feel like they belong.  It is demeaning to people of all races to exclude them from inclusion simply because of their race and limit them to being the "best minority".

+1





Nice summary!

Quoted: Quoted: CavVat do you really consider yourself African American? Potty do you really consider yourself a woman?

Let me risk an assumption, here.

From what I've read of Patty's posts on Arfcom, I do NOT think she was trying to "rattle your cage", but looking for a "point of view" instead.

Something that bothers me is the "Hyphenated American" ,, just seems (to me) to be more devisive than helpful.

"Irish-Jewish-African-Italian-(etc)- American" puts ethnicity ahead of "American" , (from my point of view) when we should be considering ourselves as "Americans  (who have many different backgrounds)" .

E Pluribus Unum  is my guiding philosophy in this.


With that said, let me rephrase Patty's question.

CavVet, do you consider yourself  "American  (who happens to be of African descent)" ? ,
, or do you consider yourself "African (who happens to be living in America)" ?


Respectfully submitted by an "American  (of  mongrel descent) " ;
Mike

Quoted: Let me risk an assumption, here. With that said, let me rephrase Patty's question.

You cant rephrase what you assume.

CavVet, do you consider yourself  "American  (who happens to be of African descent)" ? , , or do you consider yourself "African (who happens to be living in America)" ?

If you cant tell what I consider myself from my position in this thread, again, you damn sure cant assume worth shit.

Respectfully submitted by "

CavVet is the "Bumpfire Master". He has earned our respect with his skill and his willingness to share it. We ALL benefit, but the honor is all his. There may be others who do it as well as him.......now, thanks to him, but we don't recognize the Caucasian Bumpfire Master, the Asian Bumpfire Master, The American Indian Bumpfire Master or The Hispanic Bumpfire Master. We don't think in terms of race, just ability.

Quoted: CavVet is the "Bumpfire Master". He has earned our respect with his skill and his willingness to share it. We ALL benefit, but the honor is all his. There may be others who do it as well as him.......now, thanks to him, but we don't recognize the Caucasian Bumpfire Master, the Asian Bumpfire Master, The American Indian Bumpfire Master or The Hispanic Bumpfire Master. We don't think in terms of race, just ability.

I still say we should re-submit his "Honarary WASP" membership paperwork

So discrimination in the work place does not exist?

There is this outfit (I will not name names) that recruits engineers in Montana State and University of Montana exclusively.  Why not University of Washington?  Ahhh, too many minorities at UW, heavens forbid, they might have to hire them.  Take a guess how many minority engineers they hired in the past three years.  

Also, in this same outfit, everyone in upper-level management is Caucasian and only one minority in the next level.  Maybe minorities are not good enough?  Folks, whether you want to believe it or not, discrimination (even reverse discrimination) happens in the work place.

Just out of curiosity, how many non-Caucasian members are there in your GF shooting group?  The reason I asked this, there was a person who goes by Gun Equals Freedom (GEF) from Whidbey Island who publicly bashed minority/ethnic groups it this board in 2001-2002 and got away with it.  One day he posted that him and his motorcycle buddies were going up the mountains to go shooting over the weekend.  I asked him if non-Caucasians are allowed to join them.  He said: nope, sorry.  END OF STORY, LAST POST, I’M GONE!

Quoted: Just out of curiosity, how many non-Caucasian members are there in your GF shooting group?  The reason I asked this, there was a person who goes by Gun Equals Freedom (GEF) from Whidbey Island who publicly bashed minority/ethnic groups it this board in 2001-2002 and got away with it.  One day he posted that him and his motorcycle buddies were going up the mountains to go shooting over the weekend.  I asked him if non-Caucasians are allowed to join them.  He said: nope, sorry.  END OF STORY, LAST POST, I’M GONE!

I have been here since the old board, as have a number of others. There has never been anyone bashing any minority or ethnic groups in here,  and if they did they damn sure wouldnt "get away with it".

And to answer your curiosity you need to bring your ass to a shoot.


BTW, Archives shows no such person trollboy. Go back to DUH.


Troll Rating:

No originality, baseless accusations founded in unsubstantiated lies and all around general shit stirrer.

Quoted: Bunny (WASP-and proud of it)

Just a thought: Racial pride is what fuels this nonsense.

Quoted: Quoted: Bunny (WASP-and proud of it) Just a thought: Racial pride is what fuels this nonsense.

1 post?



Exactly whose troll acount is that?

No troll. Just my first post. I know the thread author and he knows me. He's volunteered to work our Sportsmen Unity booth before.

Now welcome me to the forum and promise you will never EVER disagree with me

Quoted: No troll. Just my first post. I know the thread author and he knows me. He's volunteered to work our Sportsmen Unity booth before. Now welcome me to the forum and promise you will never EVER disagree with me

Welcome aboard Dude! I'll probably be helping you out at the booth at the Evergreen Show! I had fun fighting the PETA idiots last year!

So this is RedDawgs troll account?

I have never declined to shoot with anyone of any color.  Color does not effect shooting inspite of what you heard from a guy on Whidbey Island.  The best bullseye pistol shooter in the entire country is white/caucasian/cracker, light skinned or whatever.  His side kick, the guy on the line next to him during team matches also happens to be black/african-american/non-hispanic.  The best shooter on my team this year was black.  

I happen to live in an area that is about 94% caucasian.  I didn't check when I moved here, I didn't care.  NewToyAR15, seems to have a serious stigma and some weird desire to interact with mixed race groups on every occasion. Do you avoid your folks because they were both white and refuse to come to Thanksgiving unless they invite a black man and write an apology to the indians??

As with most mature adults, I am more concerned about spending time with people who have similar interests, skill sets and abilites.  Race is an issue to racists and left wing socialists who want to demean and belittle people by refusing to recognize them as being the same.  You are more afraid of a black man than anyone here.  God forbid he was an equal and not simply the best "african-american".

If you want to make up for the past, do it by including everyone in the future.  Come on socialist,,,avoid responding by telling us about another "un-named company or person someplace who said something that made you think they were a racist".

Other than bitch, what have you done for our african-american brothers?  Because I voted to hire a guy from Rawanda last year, he is a REAL African-American.  He is mystifed since what we call black people seem pretty damn light skinned and have never seen Africa.  He got hired because he had the qualifications.  No consideration of race was given.  

So was it racist to hire him?  

Quoted: Quoted: Bunny (WASP-and proud of it) Just a thought: Racial pride is what fuels this nonsense.

No more than racist guilt trips. There is nothing wrong with being happy with who I am.

Where are your posts complaining about La Raza or The Nation of Islam. They have both said they would like to see me dead for the color of my skin. Are you defending me on their websites?

I have nothing to be ashamed of. I was never a gangbanger, I never owned a slave. I have been beaten and pushed around at gunpoint by white, black and brown people when I was unarmed and going about my personal business in a legal manner.

It's not an intellectual exercise for me. It's survival. I don't tell people how they should live and I don't let others tell me how to live, even if it might help me.

I'm not reaching out, striving for the acceptance of a critical society, I try to stick with people who want to get along with me. If you don't like me now, you're gonna hate the way I react to your recommended improvements.

Go ahead and lecture some gullible new bastard, after you get your teaching credentials. I graduated from school a long time ago. I fight back now, because the steet ain't no schoolyard.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bunny (WASP-and proud of it) Just a thought: Racial pride is what fuels this nonsense. No more than racist guilt trips. There is nothing wrong with being happy with who I am. Where are your posts complaining about La Raza or The Nation of Islam. They have both said they would like to see me dead for the color of my skin. Are you defending me on their websites? I have nothing to be ashamed of. I was never a gangbanger, I never owned a slave. I have been beaten and pushed around at gunpoint by white, black and brown people when I was unarmed and going about my personal business in a legal manner. It's not an intellectual exercise for me. It's survival. I don't tell people how they should live and I don't let others tell me how to live, even if it might help me. I'm not reaching out, striving for the acceptance of a critical society, I try to stick with people who want to get along with me. If you don't like me now, you're gonna hate the way I react to your recommended improvements. Go ahead and lecture some gullible new bastard, after you get your teaching credentials. I graduated from school a long time ago. I fight back now, because the steet ain't no schoolyard.

LOL yer really cute. Where's the kiss icon... I guess this'll have to do:  :)

Its was "Just a thought"... and it happens to be a completely true thought.

But rant-on if thats' what makes you who you are too  - I, of course, will not judge all white Protestants by your  rude, emotional (though highly entertaining) response. That just wouldn't be fair.  Now would it.

Have a happy white day!

Quoted: Quoted: No troll. Just my first post. I know the thread author and he knows me. He's volunteered to work our Sportsmen Unity booth before. Now welcome me to the forum and promise you will never EVER disagree with me hr Welcome aboard Dude! I'll probably be helping you out at the booth at the Evergreen Show! I had fun fighting the PETA idiots last year!hr

See ya there, bro. Just don't bring hotheaded folks like the guy above me with ya. We need people who are calm and smart enough to win hearts and minds with calm, truthful, measured discourse, not whatever he is or was flinging h
Shalome!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No troll. Just my first post. I know the thread author and he knows me. He's volunteered to work our Sportsmen Unity booth before. Now welcome me to the forum and promise you will never EVER disagree with me Welcome aboard Dude! I'll probably be helping you out at the booth at the Evergreen Show! I had fun fighting the PETA idiots last year! See ya there, bro. Just don't bring hotheaded folks like the guy above me with ya. We need people who are calm and smart enough to win hearts and minds with calm, truthful, measured discourse, not whatever he is or was flinging Good luck with your deal. Its a good thing when ya can make a point without becoming a jobless-martyr for the cause. Shalome!

DaBunny??
Hotheaded??


You noobs are soo funny!

Quoted: DaBunny?? Hotheaded?? You noobs are soo funny!

+1

Damn this thread brought out everyones troll accounts!





Next to this guy......



....Bunnyman is the calmest mofo I know.


BTW- Superfly got the award long before the cool award was subdivided by race as done by the libs.

DaBunny?? Hotheaded?? You noobs are soo funny! hr

I was gonna post whats below. But I'll just say "Thanks. I aim to please" :D

han
Where are your posts complaining about Jesse Jackass and NotsoSharpon. They have both made me cry.

I have nuthin to be ashamed of. I was never anti-comedian. I have been squirted in the eye by those squirting flower gags and hit in the  face with pies when I was unarmed and going about my personal business in a legal manner. It was ugly but I made it through with my humor and dignity in tact. Though, clowns still make me cry, but my therapist and I working on that so... there!

I'm not reaching out, striving for the acceptance of a critical society, I try to stick with people who want thought and appreciate it. If you don't like me now, you're gonna hate the way I give my thoughts on my navel  (when I'm done contemplating it)


Havin thought ain't an intellectual exercise for me. Its survival. I don't tell people if they're funny and I don't let others tell me if I am, even if it might help me. Laugh one off.


So go ahead and label some gullible new bastard funny after you get your intellectual deep-thought credentials. I graduated from that skool a long ago. I'm thoughtful now, because the street "ain't" no schoolyard.

[pounding my chest on a precipice as the flag waves behind me and Godbless America plays in the background].... HOOOOOOYAH! VIVA LA INDIVIDUALISM AND (of course) ME!!

Quoted: Okay, let’s say it’s Engineer of the Year (and not Black Engineer of the Year) and heavens forbid that a minority was selected.  Based on your comments on this thread, you are probably the type who will say:  “He was selected because he is a minority.” (You all read it, so I snipped it!) Based on the responses on this thread, I’ll probably in everyone’s $hit list now.  Oh well, I’m entitled to my own opinions.

Sorry for the long post, but I think it needs to be said to Mr. NewToyAR15, and maybe a few others that may be following this topic.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinions.  Where you may have screwed up is in your assumptions.

I am going to assume you wrote all of this based on your (possibly incorrect) assumption that all of those that think that sensitivity training and affirmative action is a akin to race inequality, AKA promotion of everything not white American descended from white European ancestry.

The problem is that we are sick of the often over blown promotion, as if everyone has to be happy that, and participate in, for example, February being Black History Month.  Is there valuable Black American History that should be celebrated?  Damn straight there is.  Do I need to participate in some kind of company or school planned and operate celebration of Black History Month?  No, I do not have to, I should not be required to, and if I feel like it, I should be able to voice my opinions about it, and as long as I am mature and rational while expressing my beliefs, there should be no threat or fear of any harassment, sanction, or retribution from my employer.  Now, my employer may have something to advise me about expressing my beliefs in the future, because, after all, most employment in this country is on private property, and I understand that my right to free speech may end when I step onto my employers property.  Warn me once, but that should be enough for both of us, and it should end as it started, harmlessly.

Now, to judge anyone based on their posting on this topic here and branding them an "angry racist WASP" or whatever only based on what you have read is nearly a sin.  This would be similar to assuming you are a "brainwashed lemming of the liberal elitists that wouldn’t trust me and my conscience any further than they could throw me, and they haven't grabbed enough of my mind or money to keep them satisfied, and probably never will, etc., etc." that so many here will freely express their hatred for.  For that, you would end up high on everyone's $hit list.  To assume that this one topic persuades all of our beliefs, actions, policies, ethics, on and on, you would just earn a spot on a few lists.  To continue to knee jerk respond your way through the rest of your life should put you high on your own list.  Get to know us before you condemn us, OK?  I have made a commitment to not say anything bad about anyone here until they know me, which may never happen.

Equality does not mean that a person gets any preference based on race, religion, color, creed, nationality, or economics.  Equality means the best person gets what they deserve without the need for false promotion or sensitivity.  Personally, my wife and I are sick of being passed up for what we deserve based on some perceived, false, or unnatural level of sensitivity, bias, inequality, or pressure.  Work is work, and the black guy just out of college with no family yet but is already saving for his retirement, should have to work just as hard for his pay and promotion as the Native American with a wife, five children and his parents to support, as the white guy with a kid, a wife, and is a foster family with 2 children that belong to the state to take care of.

In my office, you are recognized and paid for production.  No account at all is given to race, gender, family status, etc., absolutely nothing else matters other than dollars brought into the company, and you are promoted for the exact same reason.  Should we be more “sensitive” to those that don’t produce money as well?  Hell no.  We have done nothing different than what they could be doing, and could very well be doing much better in the future than the top producers in our company today, and they would be recognized and paid the same way top producers are now.

The best part is you have no idea what race or color I am, but that makes my words no more right or wrong than yours.