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Posted: 1/3/2012 10:39:32 AM EDT
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That wont last. I made a full lenght piston (with shortened shaft) to fill out the cylinder and then soldered the lock screw in place. The original gas port drilling was made at an angle down through the back part of the threads for the lock screw. Solder is quickly blown out if the the cylinder is not blocked completely.
Probably costs that much, as these ones will have no gas port, and not just soft soldered closed like Cotswolds  And that concludes the nerd-lesson for today. 
Soren eta: new word Yes a few of the purchasers in the UK found that out, followed by a vist from the Law 
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:50:44 AM EDT
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Is the 'gentleman' in question's cowardly, lying, two-faced cuntishness a general thing, or does he reserve it for only a few people? If you'd rather not say on here, you can always send me a message as it's always good to know who to avoid. I had him ranting on the phone (when I had called him about .22RF mags or something like that) for about a half hour on two occasions about the ACR straight pull L1A1's and how they were illegal 
Funny, my FEO (who was issued one a few years back) seemed quite happy with it when he came round to do my renewal
Never called the Ballbag twat again 
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Posted: 1/3/2012 12:13:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm completely out of the loop myself. I just googled Chiappa M1 carbine .22 UK and perused the results.Seriously..... PM me cos I have no idea who we are supposed to be talking about  |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:02:19 PM EDT
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I'm completely out of the loop myself. I just googled Chiappa M1 carbine .22 UK and perused the results.
Seriously..... PM me cos I have no idea who we are supposed to be talking about
Oh right........him.
His reputation does seem to be very poor. He's not even a member here from what I understand. If he is a member here I don't believe he has ever posted. He's alway welcome to join up and respond in kind if he wishes to defend his reputation. Other than that I suggest he closes the browser, stops whining and goes out and proves everyone wrong. |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:06:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm completely out of the loop myself. I just googled Chiappa M1 carbine .22 UK and perused the results.Seriously..... PM me cos I have no idea who we are supposed to be talking about Oh right........him. His reputation does seem to be very poor. He's not even a member here from what I understand. If he is a member here I don't believe he has ever posted. He's alway welcome to join up and respond in kind if he wishes to defend his reputation. Other than that I suggest he closes the browser, stops whining and goes out and proves everyone wrong. It's possible he signed up, hit the report button and told a tale. I'm still awaiting confirmation of a screen name.....and a join date
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:46:30 PM EDT
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Is the 'gentleman' in question's cowardly, lying, two-faced cuntishness a general thing, or does he reserve it for only a few people? If you'd rather not say on here, you can always send me a message as it's always good to know who to avoid. I had him ranting on the phone (when I had called him about .22RF mags or something like that) for about a half hour on two occasions about the ACR straight pull L1A1's and how they were illegal
Funny, my FEO (who was issued one a few years back) seemed quite happy with it when he came round to do my renewal
Never called the Ballbag twat again
If the Anglo L1A1s are so illegal, why is he selling them? Or are these 'his' versions? |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:50:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is the 'gentleman' in question's cowardly, lying, two-faced cuntishness a general thing, or does he reserve it for only a few people? If you'd rather not say on here, you can always send me a message as it's always good to know who to avoid. I had him ranting on the phone (when I had called him about .22RF mags or something like that) for about a half hour on two occasions about the ACR straight pull L1A1's and how they were illegal Funny, my FEO (who was issued one a few years back) seemed quite happy with it when he came round to do my renewal Never called the Ballbag twat again If the Anglo L1A1s are so illegal, why is he selling them? Or are these 'his' versions? I'll tell you more on Saturday |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:58:16 PM EDT
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Ta.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 2:21:07 PM EDT
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Is the 'gentleman' in question's cowardly, lying, two-faced cuntishness a general thing, or does he reserve it for only a few people? If you'd rather not say on here, you can always send me a message as it's always good to know who to avoid. I had him ranting on the phone (when I had called him about .22RF mags or something like that) for about a half hour on two occasions about the ACR straight pull L1A1's and how they were illegal
Funny, my FEO (who was issued one a few years back) seemed quite happy with it when he came round to do my renewal
Never called the Ballbag twat again
If the Anglo L1A1s are so illegal, why is he selling them? Or are these 'his' versions? The Anglo ones are not illegal. Never were. Don't know what his motivation is but the the chap at Suffolk Rifles proceeded to stir up a load of unfounded nonsesnse about them and tell people they were Section 5, even trying to involve the police from what I've heard. Others are better placed to fill you in on the details. The guy seems to have done everything possible to make himself unpopular and it was always a matter of time before what is essentially a very small market within the UK started to bite back. As far as I'm concerned as a moderator, the guy has made his bed and he can now lie in it. If he can muster up the balls to come on here try and salvage what is left of his piss-poor reputation then I'm prepared to give him that chance, but it's his call. However if he decides to go running to Site Staff without even stopping by the UKHTF, then he can also expect to get flamed for failing to address the issues at hand. I'll not be censoring CoC compliant honest opinion and debate about the state of the UK gun trade, or it's publications. Futhermore - For the record - I don't read Pete Moore's Shooting Sports magazine either. I tried it, found it incredibly dull and for the very few articles that interested me I found it to be a waste of money. That is my opinion and I'm entitiled to it. If the magazine undergoes an overhaul and a change in Editorial style then I may well review that opinion. If it were bog paper it would be far to glossy - that's also my opinion. If these people want to receive good press then they need to listen to the criticism and act accordingly to improve their poducts and business practices, or they are welcome to challnge the criticism and talk to their potential customers like an adult. |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 10:42:58 PM EDT
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This has long been a problem in the British gun trade. It happened in the pistol days, then went quiet for a good few years.
Basically, over the last 5 or so years, there has been a plethora of "new" businesses spring up. Several of them have taken this route. They badmouth all other competitors in their chosen line of work/sales. Anyone in the trade, who has been there more than 5 minutes can spot them a mile away. They are in the mistaken belief, that it will bring them business. They are usually the same people who are cut price merchants, selling stuff for just above trade price, in an effort to choke off the other established dealers. They never last....they have to either change tack, or they go bust. I know of one now, who has bad mouthed so many of the trade suppliers, he has virtually nowhere to buy goods from. Its a very close knit community. I have anyone of at least a dozen trade friends i can pick up the phone to this very minute, if i needed a desperate favour. It doesn,t suffer fools gladly however. |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:02:06 PM EDT
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The Anglo ones are not illegal. Never were. Don't know what his motivation is but the the chap at Suffolk Rifles proceeded to stir up a load of unfounded nonsesnse about them and tell people they were Section 5, even trying to involve the police from what I've heard. Others are better placed to fill you in on the details. The guy seems to have done everything possible to make himself unpopular and it was always a matter of time before what is essentially a very small market within the UK started to bite back. As far as I'm concerned as a moderator, the guy has made his bed and he can now lie in it. If he can muster up the balls to come on here try and salvage what is left of his piss-poor reputation then I'm prepared to give him that chance, but it's his call. However if he decides to go running to Site Staff without even stopping by the UKHTF, then he can also expect to get flamed for failing to address the issues at hand. I'll not be censoring CoC compliant honest opinion and debate about the state of the UK gun trade, or it's publications. Futhermore - For the record - I don't read Pete Moore's Shooting Sports magazine either. I tried it, found it incredibly dull and for the very few articles that interested me I found it to be a waste of money. That is my opinion and I'm entitiled to it. If the magazine undergoes an overhaul and a change in Editorial style then I may well review that opinion. If it were bog paper it would be far to glossy - that's also my opinion. If these people want to receive good press then they need to listen to the criticism and act accordingly to improve their poducts and business practices, or they are welcome to challnge the criticism and talk to their potential customers like an adult. Like AF says. Having spoken to him a couple of times, and seeing the huge amount of spelling and grammar mistakes on his website (something that particularly grates on me), coupled with the feedback from others, I can only conclude the bloke is of limited intelligence. What goes around comes around, and he will trip over himself eventually. Re shooting magazines, I read most of them, and I would agree the weakest of the lot is Shooting Sports. |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:24:35 PM EDT
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Dave is dead right. I've made some real genuine friends since starting out in this game but at the same time I've learned the hard way who to avoid like the plague. I've made my mistakes and have to deal with them but I always find it surprising when individuals who have clearly been caught out badly decide to keep on slanging away with their pointless garbage to anyone who'll listen just to try and big themselves up at others expense.
Their tiny feeble little brains just can't grasp that all it does is show them to be rather sad and pathetic individuals who'll lose all their goodwill and potential help in an industry that is under threat so only thrives off the mutual support, help and professionalism of the vast majority of it's participants, who all get on, respect each other (and help each other when needed). Very sad.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:43:18 PM EDT
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Dave is dead right. I've made some real genuine friends since starting out in this game but at the same time I've learned the hard way who to avoid like the plague. I've made my mistakes and have to deal with them but I always find it surprising when individuals who have clearly been caught out badly decide to keep on slanging away with their pointless garbage to anyone who'll listen just to try and big themselves up at others expense. Their tiny feeble little brains just can't grasp that all it does is show them to be rather sad and pathetic individuals who'll lose all their goodwill and potential help in an industry that is under threat so only thrives off the mutual support, help and professionalism of the vast majority of it's participants, who all get on, respect each other (and help each other when needed). Very sad.
Very true, In the Firearms game ( I suppose like any other game) there are people that you can trust, and rightly do so and there are other slimy, sly, grassing Caravan User Non Tourist'S that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, it isn't just like that here unfortunately, but seems to be the norm all over the world, Having been "Warned off" about several people who had offered me work in the past by good friends in the business, I've found there are two types of person in this game, people who do it for the love of it, and people who think they'll make a fortune, the people who think they'll make a fortune usually don't last be cause they don't have the skills or knowledge to back up there promises/lies. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 12:32:14 AM EDT
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I already know who my friends are, I have been asked to refrain from calling certain peoples companies nasty names because they're getting butthurt. Therefore I won't call them that name any more, I will just think it.
That they rang me at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon a few weeks back to say that people were saying not very nice things about them and then apparently sign up then pull the hit the report button and tell staff that they are a company that's being bad mouthed, when we still don't know what their screen name is because they won't man up. I saw he amount of flack Red Jacket Firearms and Spikes have gone through and they just get on with it. I also got a couple of emails from Pete Moore yesterday. NowI like Pete, but Shooting Sports has become very non appealing but I think we can still get on. The other fella though, anyone that tries to damage the reputation of a friend of mine is no friend of mine. You see the thing is hat some of us have managed to carve out a niche, others see hat as success and decide they want that business without even knowing the first thing about it. Dave, Gav and myself, we'll stick to putting the time in building guns and leave the looked likey sales to others
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:23:20 AM EDT
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Dave, Gav and myself, we'll stick to putting the time in building guns and leave the looked likey sales to others I was thinking that before I saw your comment. At the end of the day the decent products from people that actually build rifles (as opposed to box shifters) will speak for themselves. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 6:24:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: I already know who my friends are, I have been asked to refrain from calling certain peoples companies nasty names because they're getting butthurt. Therefore I won't call them that name any more, I will just think it. That they rang me at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon a few weeks back to say that people were saying not very nice things about them and then apparently sign up then pull the hit the report button and tell staff that they are a company that's being bad mouthed, when we still don't know what their screen name is because they won't man up. I saw he amount of flack Red Jacket Firearms and Spikes have gone through and they just get on with it. I also got a couple of emails from Pete Moore yesterday. NowI like Pete, but Shooting Sports has become very non appealing but I think we can still get on. The other fella though, anyone that tries to damage the reputation of a friend of mine is no friend of mine. You see the thing is hat some of us have managed to carve out a niche, others see hat as success and decide they want that business without even knowing the first thing about it. Dave, Gav and myself, we'll stick to putting the time in building guns and leave the looked likey sales to others That's fine for those of us punters that have been around a while and know which gunplumbers can be trusted and which can't, but it's a hard lesson for newbies to our bit of shooting sports that see all the glossy websites and get taken in by the bullshit of some and either get fleeced and let down by the cowboys, spending far more than they needed to or even worse, put off the sport altogether because they have been screwed over and misinformed............should be declared witches!  |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 6:50:33 AM EDT
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I already know who my friends are, I have been asked to refrain from calling certain peoples companies nasty names because they're getting butthurt. Therefore I won't call them that name any more, I will just think it. That they rang me at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon a few weeks back to say that people were saying not very nice things about them and then apparently sign up then pull the hit the report button and tell staff that they are a company that's being bad mouthed, when we still don't know what their screen name is because they won't man up. I saw he amount of flack Red Jacket Firearms and Spikes have gone through and they just get on with it. I also got a couple of emails from Pete Moore yesterday. NowI like Pete, but Shooting Sports has become very non appealing but I think we can still get on. The other fella though, anyone that tries to damage the reputation of a friend of mine is no friend of mine. You see the thing is hat some of us have managed to carve out a niche, others see hat as success and decide they want that business without even knowing the first thing about it. Dave, Gav and myself, we'll stick to putting the time in building guns and leave the looked likey sales to others That's fine for those of us punters that have been around a while and know which gunplumbers can be trusted and which can't, but it's a hard lesson for newbies to our bit of shooting sports that see all the glossy websites and get taken in by the bullshit of some and either get fleeced and let down by the cowboys, spending far more than they needed to or even worse, put off the sport altogether because they have been screwed over and misinformed............should be declared witches! Exactly. These people target the newer shooters because they don't know a lot about what they are buying. A new shooter with his FAC just fallen through the letterbox and a healthy doese of new gun fever is a prime target for these people. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:41:16 AM EDT
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Whilst the trade has a large percentage of assholes...it also has a lot of good people too. Folk you can count on when you need a favour, or borrow a reamer, stock etc. I,m very lucky to have plenty of contacts like that, Mark and Gav especially, and its much appreciated. There are a large number of gunsmiths in the UK who work like this, and it makes the job a bit easier. If the idiots realised this, they would have a much easier time of it.
Everybody needs friends sometimes.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:48:24 AM EDT
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Whenever I meet a new shooter, I always give honest advice about the people I've dealt with. I also try and help them avoid some of the mistakes I have made!
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:29:45 AM EDT
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Whenever I meet a new shooter, I always give honest advice about the people I've dealt with. I also try and help them avoid some of the mistakes I have made! Yep. I just wish someone had been about to advise me against some of the very few mistakes I made. I was lucky in that I started shooting comps fairly early on and had some great advice from the folks up at Diggle and some of the longer standing members on here, well before I joined ARFCOM, but I still made a couple of mistakes. I know who gave me bad advice and I make sure that those who prayed on my inexperience get the shit flung back at them. What goes around comes around. Fortunately they are few and far between. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:48:26 PM EDT
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Just an FYI for all of you guys.
We have always allowed negative/positive feedback of shops/dealers/etc in the HTFs. You may continue doing if someone asks for an opinion/recommendation, and you leave any personal attacks out of the reviews. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:53:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just an FYI for all of you guys. We have always allowed negative/positive feedback of shops/dealers/etc in the HTFs. You may continue doing if someone asks for an opinion/recommendation, and you leave any personal attacks out of the reviews. What if said dealer is not a member or not known to be a member? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 2:12:56 PM EDT
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Well I dont know who we are talking about either. I have only ever visited one RFD in Suffolk but he is not new so I assume its not him.
Anyway, like any other business, this RFD will thrive or go bust based on the quality of his product and customers coming back for more. Slagging off his rivals is not conducive to good business when the market is small and specialised. And its not decent.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 3:39:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Just an FYI for all of you guys. We have always allowed negative/positive feedback of shops/dealers/etc in the HTFs. You may continue doing if someone asks for an opinion/recommendation, and you leave any personal attacks out of the reviews. What if said dealer is not a member or not known to be a member? You can say "Shop X sucks because they treat their customers like shit, and their junk is overpriced." You can't say "Shop X sucks because the owner is a butt-munch, and whines like a little bitch." Member or not, as we don't always know if someone is registered here or not. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:46:02 PM EDT
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Thanks VA.
Out of interest, I was reading the thread about Red Jacket Firearms in GD and saw some pretty personal comments about the owner and his daughter....not just a piss take on the name of the firm. How would that be permissable under what seems like the same circumstances? I'm a bit confused by this situation now. FYI The person mentioned in this thread has pulled some dispicable and reprehensible stunts which in my view deserve the criticism being levelled and I fully understand why people despise him so much. As I understand it he's lucky not to have been sued. As far as we are concerned he is not a member here, if he is then he is welcome to step up and clear the air. However he has never posted to our knowledge, has continued to slag off respected UKHTF members, but seems to think it unfair when we return the favour in a roundabout sort of way and call him out for his behaviour. If he has had a whinge then I'm impressed To be honest, because it took me until halfway through the thread before I realised who the insult had been levelled at. Same for a few others.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:10:53 PM EDT
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GD is a seperate beast from the HTFs, so it's hard to compare the two.
Even if GD had stricter guidelines, bashing "celebs" is acceptable, unless we know for sure they're a member here. If a dealer has done X Y and Z, then that can be listed. You just can't say he is a wanker (did I use that correctly? ) |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:13:57 PM EDT
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Just an FYI for all of you guys. We have always allowed negative/positive feedback of shops/dealers/etc in the HTFs. You may continue doing if someone asks for an opinion/recommendation, and you leave any personal attacks out of the reviews. What if said dealer is not a member or not known to be a member? You can say "Shop X sucks because they treat their customers like shit, and their junk is overpriced." You can't say "Shop X sucks because the owner is a butt-munch, and whines like a little bitch." Member or not, as we don't always know if someone is registered here or not. So as someone reading this thread. Looking for an opinion: Would the concenus here be that; Suffolk Rifle Company sucks because they treat their customers like shit, and their junk is overpriced."? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:41:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just an FYI for all of you guys. We have always allowed negative/positive feedback of shops/dealers/etc in the HTFs. You may continue doing if someone asks for an opinion/recommendation, and you leave any personal attacks out of the reviews. What if said dealer is not a member or not known to be a member? You can say "Shop X sucks because they treat their customers like shit, and their junk is overpriced." You can't say "Shop X sucks because the owner is a butt-munch, and whines like a little bitch." Member or not, as we don't always know if someone is registered here or not. So as someone reading this thread. Looking for an opinion: Would the concenus here be that; Suffolk Rifle Company sucks because they treat their customers like shit, and their junk is overpriced."? And also try to cause trouble for other members by starting scurrilous rumours and trying to drop them in it with the Feds........... |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:57:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:57:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:35:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:37:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:47:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:58:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: . Was this over Gavin's L1A1's? Yep. Ranting on at me (on two occasions) how mine/all of them weren't S1. Knob. Funnily enough I was talking to a chap at basildon last night who bought a 10/22 I think off him and had to endure the rant of how everyone else's stuff is ahit and only his is the best etc etc. Said he couldn't pay him fast enough and get out. The other week after some other cheeky monkey on here called him a ball bag ( a widely used term for an item used for carrying musket bullets), he called me at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon to whine and whine that he was being called bad names [insert waambulance pic] so I know he lurks (they all do) and I have no doubt he then called Pete Moore to tell him that nasty Bradders was saying horrid things about his mag and the lookeylikey rifle company. I also have no doubt that it was him that contacted staff to say I was being a bad boy I am still waiting for someone to give me the screen name of this alleged company and team member. So far no one has bothered to reply to me as I'm looking for a join date and post count. Lookeylikey dealers meh
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:58:51 PM EDT
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. Was this over Gavin's L1A1's? Yep. Ranting on at me (on two occasions) how mine/all of them weren't S1. Knob. OK for the record as I'm not doing any more IM / Texting! Came to my house as he was so keen to offer the SLRs we were getting for sale in his shop. I even lent him a show rifle... Posted on his site to confirm as such. Posted on ARRSE to say that they were doing so. Sent him the full FELWG report and ACPO minutes stating that they were fully S1 compliant (and why they were) and said he's now free to take orders... He then starts his game... Telling potential clients and anyone else who would listen at a show at Bisley (and over the phone) that: The L1A1s that we had were Section 5 and illegal... That Surrey police had impounded one and had converted it to semi auto use in minutes... When me and another UKHTF member saw said individual repeating as much in Fultons to one of the staff there and confronted him afterwards - he flatly denied it. Has totally refused to discuss the matter with me despite my offers to meet him. He than called Met Police and asked them to investigate as to why I was selling S5 guns. WTF !!!!! Someone in this trade in the UK would actually do that to another dealer knowing that what they were doing would cause issues and having seen the formal report outlining that they were legal... These are all facts. As it was Met police told him to jog-on as they were fully aware of the FELWG report as it was circulated to every licensing authority in the UK... He asked for my help. I had him to my home and discussed how I could help him and his business and then this... Simply staggering behaviour.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:16:48 PM EDT
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Well, there we have it, straight from the horse's mouth.
I think everyone on here now knows the full story and can draw their own conclusions about the alleged ball bag salesman. What a way to run a business! |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:48:18 PM EDT
[#37]
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. Was this over Gavin's L1A1's? Yep. Ranting on at me (on two occasions) how mine/all of them weren't S1. Knob. OK for the record as I'm not doing any more IM / Texting! Came to my house as he was so keen to offer the SLRs we were getting for sale in his shop. I even lent him a show rifle... Posted on his site to confirm as such. Posted on ARRSE to say that they were doing so. Sent him the full FELWG report and ACPO minutes stating that they were fully S1 compliant (and why they were) and said he's now free to take orders... He then starts his game... Telling potential clients and anyone else who would listen at a show at Bisley (and over the phone) that: The L1A1s that we had were Section 5 and illegal... That Surrey police had impounded one and had converted it to semi auto use in minutes... When me and another UKHTF member saw said individual repeating as much in Fultons to one of the staff there and confronted him afterwards - he flatly denied it. Has totally refused to discuss the matter with me despite my offers to meet him. He than called Met Police and asked them to investigate as to why I was selling S5 guns. WTF !!!!! Someone in this trade in the UK would actually do that to another dealer knowing that what they were doing would cause issues and having seen the formal report outlining that they were legal... These are all facts. As it was Met police told him to jog-on as they were fully aware of the FELWG report as it was circulated to every licensing authority in the UK... He asked for my help. I had him to my home and discussed how I could help him and his business and then this... Simply staggering behaviour. I'm confused, am I allowed to call this bloke a cunt (based on what I have read here) or not? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:55:19 PM EDT
[#38]
You are not allowed to call him a Cunt, read the CoC. You are, however, allowed to call his Business whatever you like.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:58:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Why? Is it not now very clear that he is a a very well-regarded, professional member of the UK shooting fraternity who sells quality equipment and gives good, honest advice whilst respecting those other members of the shooting community with whom he has to interact?
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Posted: 1/5/2012 12:03:45 AM EDT
[#40]
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Why? Is it not now very clear that he is a a very well-regarded, professional member of the UK shooting fraternity who sells quality equipment and gives good, honest advice whilst respecting those other members of the shooting community with whom he has to interact? 
I will have to satisfy myself by relaying his actions to the members of my 2 clubs, in the hope that they all avoid him like the plague. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 12:35:58 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: You are not allowed to call him a Cunt, read the CoC. You are, however, allowed to call his Business whatever you like. No, it's the other way round.....I think |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 12:42:14 AM EDT
[#42]
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You are not allowed to call him a Cunt, read the CoC. You are, however, allowed to call his Business whatever you like. I doubt if Companies House would have let him register "Suffolk Cunty Rifle Company". Shame
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Posted: 1/5/2012 12:42:48 AM EDT
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GD is a seperate beast from the HTFs, so it's hard to compare the two. Even if GD had stricter guidelines, bashing "celebs" is acceptable, unless we know for sure they're a member here. If a dealer has done X Y and Z, then that can be listed. You just can't say he is a wanker (did I use that correctly? )
Well thats not how I read the above, substitute Cunt for Wanker if you like, but don't call him it. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 12:50:21 AM EDT
[#44]
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GD is a seperate beast from the HTFs, so it's hard to compare the two. Even if GD had stricter guidelines, bashing "celebs" is acceptable, unless we know for sure they're a member here. If a dealer has done X Y and Z, then that can be listed. You just can't say he is a wanker (did I use that correctly? )
Your use of the word is indeed correct
Especially in this case. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:06:31 AM EDT
[#45]
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GD is a seperate beast from the HTFs, so it's hard to compare the two. Even if GD had stricter guidelines, bashing "celebs" is acceptable, unless we know for sure they're a member here. If a dealer has done X Y and Z, then that can be listed. You just can't say he is a wanker (did I use that correctly? )
Well thats not how I read the above, substitute Cunt for Wanker if you like, but don't call him it. But one could also argue that he's a celebrity, what with being in the Shooting press and being so well known here...
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:21:39 AM EDT
[#46]
Wow, I never came across this company when I was looking for my .22 AR and after reading this little lot I'm glad I didn't.
Let's hope I don't find someone like this when my .223 variation comes through. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:24:06 AM EDT
[#47]
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Why? Is it not now very clear that he is a a very well-regarded, professional member of the UK shooting fraternity who sells quality equipment and gives good, honest advice whilst respecting those other members of the shooting community with whom he has to interact?
I will have to satisfy myself by relaying his actions to the members of my 2 clubs, in the hope that they all avoid him like the plague. To be honest calling him a cunt achieves very little other than providing a modicum of personal satisfaction and causing him a sandy mangina. If you want to make sure new shooters and the industry reputation as a whole don't get screwed over, then word of mouth is far more effective. I'd be more inclined to keep the name calling to a minimum, regardless of how well deserved it may be, and focus on protecting me shooters and industry as a whole by relaying the comments in this thread to those that need to know.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:25:09 AM EDT
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Are pictures OK?
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:30:05 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: . Was this over Gavin's L1A1's? Yep. Ranting on at me (on two occasions) how mine/all of them weren't S1. Knob. OK for the record as I'm not doing any more IM / Texting! Came to my house as he was so keen to offer the SLRs we were getting for sale in his shop. I even lent him a show rifle... Posted on his site to confirm as such. Posted on ARRSE to say that they were doing so. Sent him the full FELWG report and ACPO minutes stating that they were fully S1 compliant (and why they were) and said he's now free to take orders... He then starts his game... Telling potential clients and anyone else who would listen at a show at Bisley (and over the phone) that: The L1A1s that we had were Section 5 and illegal... That Surrey police had impounded one and had converted it to semi auto use in minutes... When me and another UKHTF member saw said individual repeating as much in Fultons to one of the staff there and confronted him afterwards - he flatly denied it. Has totally refused to discuss the matter with me despite my offers to meet him. He than called Met Police and asked them to investigate as to why I was selling S5 guns. WTF !!!!! Someone in this trade in the UK would actually do that to another dealer knowing that what they were doing would cause issues and having seen the formal report outlining that they were legal... These are all facts. As it was Met police told him to jog-on as they were fully aware of the FELWG report as it was circulated to every licensing authority in the UK... He asked for my help. I had him to my home and discussed how I could help him and his business and then this... Simply staggering behaviour. So he has slandered/libelled you, made a false malicious complaint and wasted Police time? I wonder if his FEO is aware.....................? |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 1:50:38 AM EDT
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Possibly, not sure. My FEO took a very very dim view of it indeed...
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