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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:14:16 PM EDT
Long post, TLDR at bottom.
So my first gun *ever* was a Desert Eagle 50AE (I think it was a mark VII). I got it in 2001 "used" . Original owner was an older guy (50+) who was a bail bondsman. He bought it, shot a mag through it and it sat for years... he even gave me 2 boxes of ammo, 1 box 7 rounds short. But I got it for $500. Anywho, i had it for years and shot it as much as I could afford to at 21-22 and ammo costing $.50-70/rnd. Loved it but being irresponsible and broke, I sold it for $800. I got married this past weekend and stopped in a hole in the wall gun store just to look around. Typical old man (men) behind the counter, talking about hunting caliber bolt guns, ect (to their credit, its hunting season and its probably what they sell the most of up there). Well looking around there was a DE50 for $990 in the used gun section. I asked about it and the guy behind the counter didnt know much about it....just the typical "old man" hyping up a desert eagle. For the life of me I dont remember if it was a mark VII or XIX. It is the reg blued, has the pic rail on top, nothing on the bottom and no ported barrel. I'm thinking it's a XIX. He said they had it for a while but no time line. It looked in great condition and not to many rounds through it l...maybe 100 or so). I think he was more amazed I knew how to take it apart to check the springs/bolt, ect. Anywho i left without it. Mostly cause I'm an idiot. Lol. I guess my main question is, is $990 (plus tax... so around $1075OTD) a fair price for a DE in 50ae? Is me asking $1k cash OTD to "low balling" (puts it around $925). Next, since I've been out of the game for 20 years of DE, is there any good upgrades for these guns. Trigger, springs, ect. I've thought about just bringing it out and getting it TiN coated (maybe do a play on the tiger stripes) anyone done that? I do reload, so I will be shooting this gun ALOT in 50AE and 357. |
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A few thoughts:
The .50 caliber models have always been the same. The smaller caliber guns were later upsized in slide and barrel to match the dimensions of the .50 and then designated as the MK-XIX. The MK-XIX guns had a 2-slot rail until roughly the early to mid-2010s. So one with a full pic rail on top is likely no more than 6 or 7 years old. $1000-ish isn’t a bad price for a gently used Desert Eagle these days. Sometimes a MK-VII goes for a bit less, but not much. Not a lot in the way of upgrades, other than various barrels and caliber changes from Magnum Research. Nothing for aftermarket other than a few magazine manufacturers. The 10” barrels aren’t made any more, so you will have to keep an eye out if that is something you’re interested in. Switching calibers is quick and easy, especially between .44, .50, and .429DE, only requiring a barrel swap (and mag for the .44). The .357 is a breeze to shoot in such a large gun, but it also requires a bolt swap. Easy enough to do, but takes a couple more minutes. And no parts are inexpensive. Most any .50 ammo should run in the DE, since that’s likely what it was designed for. (Not always the case with .357 and .44 Mag). “Cheap” factory ammo is now around $1 to $1.50 a pop. I have been reloading for around 30¢ a round with Rainier bullets. Now that they closed their doors, the next “budget” bullet is likely Berry’s. I’ve shot a lot of them, and quality is very good, but they cost a few more cents per bullet. If you don’t reload, you might want to think about it. Or shoot more .357. Aside from that, you have had one already so you know what you’re getting into. Let us know what other questions you might have. And be sure to let us know if/when you pick it up. |
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Thank you for all the info, much appreciated.
From what I remember back when I had mine, the only "mod" you could do was the hogue runner grips, which were a huge plus to have. Only other thing I remember is I had alot of the recoil springs on hand. Lol. Past that, the gun I had shot everything without issue. The only change is since we have a few 357s, but all revolves, I'd like to try the DE in 357. The 10" barrel was never a "thing" for me, but I did hear they stopped making them, which would make me want 1 just for that reason |
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I would start at $900 out the door if I was making offers.
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BikerNut:
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
I would start at $900 out the door if I was making offers. View Quote |
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They probably gave $600 tops. It all depends on how long it has been there.
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BikerNut:
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Must be your areas, cause a DE50 for 1K is unheard of here. All 1200+ used.
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I didnt realize I took a pic of it, but it's a MK XIX as it has the pic rail on top. The 1 I had last time looked just like yours.
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A few thoughts, if your thinking 50AE keep in mind .50 cal FMJ bullets are very pricey so no matter what 50AE is going to be very pricey shooting. I doubt you will easily find once fired brass, so you will probably have to buy new. Starline brass is excellent, and very reasonably priced. You also have to buy dies (another $45+) . When I was ready to purchase DE I was on the fence either 44 or 50AE , but for me where I already owned a S&W 460XVR , the 50AE really didn't make much sense. I ended up going with a .44 mag in satin chrome. I can tell you this the DE's get VERY dirty quickly so I would advise staying away from the expensive "bling" type coatings. My chrome version is a piece 'o cake to clean. I didn't want the risk of buying used, not to mention used DE's were non-existant when I was looking, and I DON'T do Gunstroker sales. I bought mine special order from a local guy and he gave me a decent deal at $1660 OTD including FFL fees and shipping. No regrets on buying the 44 as it is a little less expensive to reload, and components are readily available. Your used price of around $1K seems like a great price. I highly doubt many rounds were fired as most all people buy a DE, realized how expensive they are to shoot and sell em off.
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As far as price goes, yeah, that's why I think if i show up with $100 Bill's i can get it cheaper. Mostly cause i know they didnt pay much fornthat gun (ill guess around 500-600).
As far as feeding it, since I reload, I'll prob make 500 rounds at a time for 50AE. That will prob last me atleast a year or 2. I will want to find the parts to do a 357 conversion as we have ALOT of 357 stuff (that we dont shoot anymore) so it would be a great dual round handgun. |
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Originally Posted By azmp5:
As far as price goes, yeah, that's why I think if i show up with $100 Bill's i can get it cheaper. Mostly cause i know they didnt pay much fornthat gun (ill guess around 500-600). As far as feeding it, since I reload, I'll prob make 500 rounds at a time for 50AE. That will prob last me atleast a year or 2. I will want to find the parts to do a 357 conversion as we have ALOT of 357 stuff (that we dont shoot anymore) so it would be a great dual round handgun. View Quote |
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BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
I paid about 1300 (nib) out the door for a brushed chrome desert eagle here in UT.
It was a "too much inventory" sale, and the desert eagle model had just been updated. I found out recently about the model thing, i guess in 2017 they changed the rear sight position. (Found out when looking to order a mount for my RMR sight). I knew i would like the gun, i did not know i would fall in love with it! An Absolute hoot to shoot! |
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Another FYI in regards to all DE's is do NOT plan on loading cast lead bullets to save money. Cast lead will eventually clog the gas ports in the barrel and there is NO way to clean and clear the ports if this happens. It's $600 for a replacement barrel !
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So the more I thought about it, would be better in the long run to buy a DE in 357 and try a 50ae conversion kit?
Reason I ask is because it seems there are tons of 50ae kits available but 0 357 lots. Also, of I was to get the DE 357, what version(s) would work for the 50ae conversion kits? |
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Originally Posted By azmp5:
Also, of I was to get the DE 357, what version(s) would work for the 50ae conversion kits? View Quote I have a 50 and 44 barrel for mine and would love to have a 357 barrel and bolt. |
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Best deal I've seen on NIB Mark XIX with 2 calibers. Though, you're right, 357 conversion kits appear to be hard to find. Be careful on the 50AE kits, as well. They might assume you have a .44 model and don't include a bolt
Bud's Gun Shop I purchased a 357/44/50 matched set that cycles great in all calibers. But, I have a distaste for the 357, due to what I believe is the amount of gas used to cycle the gun. It might be an ammo selection thing, and requires more testing, but it burns my hand where the gas vents under the barrel. |
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Originally Posted By azmp5:
Thank you for all the info, much appreciated. From what I remember back when I had mine, the only "mod" you could do was the hogue rubber grips, which were a huge plus to have. Only other thing I remember is I had alot of the recoil springs on hand. Lol. Past that, the gun I had shot everything without issue. The only change is since we have a few 357s, but all revolves, I'd like to try the DE in 357. The 10" barrel was never a "thing" for me, but I did hear they stopped making them, which would make me want 1 just for that reason View Quote I think $1K for a gently used 50AE is a good price, seems like you found a good deal on a Mk XIX 50, might be hard to find an equally good deal on a 357 XIX. Yeah, it's a crap-shoot, luck-of-the-draw. Also, with Black Friday coming up, usually Magnum Research has maybe 10% (or more) off, you could pick up the 357 bolt and 357 Integral Muzzle Brake (IMB) 6" barrel a-la-carte, new. and get the 357 mags as opportunistic pricing presents itself. IMHO, the IMB does make a difference. My 44MAG IMB is actually a pleasant shooter, my 50AE IMB is still pretty wicked. I put a Trijicon MRO on one of my barrels, and a RMR on another barrel. The larger-window MRO is actually nice for shooting on the DE, easier red-dot sight-picture acquisition than the smaller-windowed RMR, given the DE not-Glock-17 recoil. AFAIK, the Larue RMR mount is the lowest of the QD mounts, lower than the ADM. The Trijicon 2-bolt picatinny RMR mount doesn't work on the DE quasi-Weaver-Picatinny top rail, spacing is off, DE top rail is not true picatinny. ETA: I sent an email to MAGLULA in Israel, suggesting they make a mag loader for the DE, maybe compatible with Coonan 357. Actually got a reply back to the effect of not-happening-anytime-soon. I did pick up one of those 3D-printed DE-specific mag-loading aids, works halfway decent, better than just my thumb. |
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The .357 magnum round needs to be full powered, (semi/fully) jacketed ammo for it to cycle the DEP reliability. The issue is the market is saturated with low recoil/low powered rounds, even the expensive hollowpoint defensive rounds. It makes sense given the revolver market is popular with female shooters with compact revolvers that just might be too much recoil and flash with a full powered round. With that said, you may need to go online to buy reliable ammunition that will cycle the DEP.
.44 magnums don't suffer from this variety in ammo. As for the .50AE, I never seen a low powered type as the round is specifically designed for the DEP. Personally I have a .357 magnum DEP, and yes originally I bought a .50AE as my first handgun that I eventually sold because it was just too expensive and too loud for me. I have a lot more childhood nostalgia involved with the .357 DEP that was popular in films like Robocop and Universal Soldiers. |
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