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ND, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2023 8:21:48 PM EST
Why is it I just can’t warm up to the idea of a 1911 in 9mm? I hear so many great reviews of the Tisas Stingray for example but find myself taking out my Browning Hi-Power for a few magazines until the thought of buying a 9mm 1911 passes. I think it’s a matter of holding only 1 or 2 more rounds of a weaker caliber than a .45 ACP chambered gun when modern 9mm handguns of a similar size can double the capacity of the 9mm 1911? If you own a 9mm 1911, what is it that drew you to owning one? What’s the allure all about? Why do I want to buy one but just can’t bring myself to getting one?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2023 8:31:30 PM EST
[#1]
I own a couple…
The recoil impulse is awesome. The trigger is awesome. Lots of parts, mags, etc. It isn’t just 2 rounds, it is 25% more. I bought mine for matches. Some matches are advantageous for 9mm, others a .40 or .45 might be better (I.e. lower round count, 8 round neutral, wide open targets) I also have a CZ Shadow 2, which weights a bit more and holds double. The 1911 is more fun to shoot and I think balances & transitions better. |
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Posted: 8/31/2023 8:31:57 PM EST
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I have one. Felt comfortable in my hands, it’s accurate, not lightweight but I have polymer guns for that.
I don’t shoot it regularly but when I do I enjoy it. Just another tool in the box for me, I don’t have many firearms with sentimental attachment. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2023 8:37:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: xXGearheadXx]
[#3]
Originally Posted By AFSOC_COP: Why is it I just can’t warm up to the idea of a 1911 in 9mm? I hear so many great reviews of the Tisas Stingray for example but find myself taking out my Browning Hi-Power for a few magazines until the thought of buying a 9mm 1911 passes. I think it’s a matter of holding only 1 or 2 more rounds of a weaker caliber than a .45 ACP chambered gun when modern 9mm handguns of a similar size can double the capacity of the 9mm 1911? If you own a 9mm 1911, what is it that drew you to owning one? What’s the allure all about? Why do I want to buy one but just can’t bring myself to getting one? My draw was for shooting single stack minor in Uspsa. My Dan Wesson Pointman 9 is one of the sweetest shooting pistols I’ve ever shot….thousands of rounds through it and it’s reliable (cleaned after every use), accurate, and very soft shooting. If I take the same Ammo and shoot it side by side vs a plastic fantastic, or even my sig 320 axg or a cz shadow, it’s noticeably softer shooting. That got me carrying an Ed Brown Evo KC9. Also a sweet shooter, but not as soft as the DW given it’s a bit lighter. Same with a 9mm 2011. Stupid soft shooting without the capacity restrictions of a 1911….even with a poly grip. I’ve not yet shot a pistol that has the combination of trigger and recoil impulse that you get from 9mil 19/2011s. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2023 9:31:25 PM EST
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I'm the exact opposite. I've owned tons of Hi Powers, from a stock Springfield SA-35 to a full custom Yost. I inevitably compare them to Brownings other masterpiece. Everytime I shoot a Hi Power I wish the trigger and thumb safety were like a 1911s.
I carry a 1911 most of the time, I started with a .45 Government but these days it's a commander length 9mm. 25% more ammo, faster follow up shots, and with modern hollowpoints I don't really feel like I'm missing much. If you're hung up on capacity, get a 2011. |
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Posted: 8/31/2023 9:38:26 PM EST
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Posted: 8/31/2023 9:57:17 PM EST
[#6]
Always been a huge fan of 1911s. Started shooting them in 1971 in the military. Shot them in competition and have owned a bunch.
I've always been one of those that thought 9mm was useless in a 1911. It had to be .45acp or .38 Super. I finally tired a 1911 9mm last year. I'm a convert. Relatively cheap ammo, accurate and very pleasant to shoot. I liked it enough I bought a Staccato P. Now thinking about a stainless Colt Competition 9mm that my LGS has sitting on the shelf. I sold my .38 Super. I'll keep my .45 but it doesn't get shot much now days. |
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Posted: 8/31/2023 10:19:24 PM EST
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Just added a Prodigy to the safe. 17 with the flush fit mag, options for 20 and 26 rounds. RDS ready, avoid the Hex though it’s a garbage dot. I’m on the hunt for another 507c to swap in.
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Posted: 8/31/2023 10:22:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By freeride1: I carry a 1911 most of the time, I started with a .45 Government but these days it's a commander length 9mm. 25% more ammo, faster follow up shots, and with modern hollowpoints I don't really feel like I'm missing much. If you're hung up on capacity, get a 2011. That's pretty much what I was going to post. I've owned or shot so many different guns over the years, but the 1911 is what I keep coming back to. I just shoot it better. 9mm gives me a couple more rounds, less recoil, and cheaper ammo. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2023 10:26:07 PM EST
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I had a STI Spartan in 9MM. With regular loads it was okay, with +p loads it was a kick to shoot! wish I still had it.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2023 10:54:57 PM EST
[#10]
Big fan of 9mm 1911. A 5" steel frame 9mm is one of the most pleasant guns to shoot that I know of. I have other guns that I carry and several 9mm 2011's but for just the simple enjoyment of shooting a handgun the 9mm single stack is hard to beat.
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Posted: 8/31/2023 11:41:28 PM EST
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Why do you care about capactity? Buy what you want. I love 9mm 1911's and will probably never buy another 45. If it came to selling them off the 45's would absolutely go first. There are all kinds of cool guns that hold more rounds it just depends on what you want.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 12:16:40 AM EST
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I like the lines on it. I have more capable guns to sling 9mm, the 9mm 1911 is a safe or range toy for me.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:00:30 AM EST
[#13]
This is ARFCOM. You know what to do.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:12:04 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gsd1983: Just added a Prodigy to the safe. 17 with the flush fit mag, options for 20 and 26 rounds. RDS ready, avoid the Hex though it’s a garbage dot. I’m on the hunt for another 507c to swap in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/402989/IMG_1682_jpeg-2939035.JPG They started out with reliability issues, right? How has yours been? |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:16:51 AM EST
[#15]
I kinda want one. It would just be a range toy, as I have plenty of other carry guns. I also have 10x more 9mm sitting around than 45, so that helps the decision.
As soon as Tisas comes out with their Aviator (LW Commander), I'll probably snag one. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:25:39 AM EST
[#16]
I never wanted one, but I ended up on the good end of a trade deal and wound up with a DW TCP.
Wish I would have got one years ago  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:36:54 AM EST
[#17]
My DS1911 sucks. Now I want more 9mm 1911s.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:56:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: stiglitz_actual]
[#18]
They're blasphemous and lots of fun, even the cheap ones
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Posted: 9/1/2023 11:38:38 AM EST
[#19]
I’m cheap, but sadly this is going to get expensive. Probably end up with a Staccato too. This one runs like a scalded ass ape.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 1:11:47 PM EST
[#20]
I wouldn't mind a 1911 in 9x23 or even 38 Super. If there's room for more cartridge length, you might as well use it. 9x23 can be loaded down to 9x19 levels.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 1:47:54 PM EST
[#21]
I'm with you OP.
A government model 9mm 1911 is point and shoot. It's like cheating. Little to no recoil, little to no muzzle flip. But I've never owned one and won't. A 1911 is made for God's cartridge, the 45ACP. *Disclaimer: I do not consider the 2011 to be a 1911, therefore I would own a 2011 in 9mm. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 1:58:49 PM EST
[#22]
9mm 1911...they way it should have been originally
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Posted: 9/1/2023 2:19:22 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azmp5: 9mm 1911...they way it should have been originally Word |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 3:33:00 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tirador223: This is ARFCOM. You know what to do. https://i.imgur.com/h7HRJDfh.jpg Merica! |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 4:15:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: Strela]
[#25]
My thought is, I resisted them for years because they were an abomination. As JMB decreed, .45ACP and .38 Super were the only acceptable calibers.
Then I bought one of the Tisas U.S. Army models on sale and changed my mind. It's a great, inexpensive shooter.  Attached FileIf OP is really concerned about capacity he can get an RIA .22TCM/9mm combo gun that holds 17 rounds. .22TCM is a hoot to shoot, or just put in the enclosed 9mm bbl and shoot cheap stuff. Uses the same mags.  Attached File |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 7:40:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: wmagrush]
[#26]
I’m in the ‘why not’ category for a 9mm 1911. I do prefer the original.45 acp offering. And a proper classic 9mm should be a BHP. But the classic Hi Power costs so much today, that enjoying a Browning design in 9mm is a great way to go. Classic and inexpensive.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:04:53 PM EST
[#27]
I'm not a fan or a hater. I'll probably eventually get one for my daughter but I expect she'll be pretty small since she was 3 months early but she's 2.
With the minimal increase in ammo and chronic reliability issues I just don't see the point. Maybe if I didn't reload as 9mm is cheaper. If I want to shoot something with no recoil then I'll shoot a .22. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:21:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: I'm not a fan or a hater. I'll probably eventually get one for my daughter but I expect she'll be pretty small since she was 3 months early but she's 2. With the minimal increase in ammo and chronic reliability issues I just don't see the point. Maybe if I didn't reload as 9mm is cheaper. If I want to shoot something with no recoil then I'll shoot a .22. I don’t think chronic reliability issues is accurate now if it was ever. What issues are you seeing that are confined to 9mm guns? |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 8:50:48 PM EST
[#29]
My thoughts.
Cco aluminum framed 9mm and a staccato c2. Pic just taken from my hotel room for a class tomorrow. One is the carry and spare gun for the class and the other is gun for the class. I have third gun here as well but neither of these have ever choked.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 9:24:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mississippiflush: I never wanted one, but I ended up on the good end of a trade deal and wound up with a DW TCP. Wish I would have got one years ago https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/264774/IMG_20230826_150356780_HDR_jpg-2939220.JPG That’s very nice. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 9:34:34 PM EST
[#31]
Originally Posted By AFSOC_COP: Why is it I just can’t warm up to the idea of a 1911 in 9mm? I hear so many great reviews of the Tisas Stingray for example but find myself taking out my Browning Hi-Power for a few magazines until the thought of buying a 9mm 1911 passes. I think it’s a matter of holding only 1 or 2 more rounds of a weaker caliber than a .45 ACP chambered gun when modern 9mm handguns of a similar size can double the capacity of the 9mm 1911? If you own a 9mm 1911, what is it that drew you to owning one? What’s the allure all about? Why do I want to buy one but just can’t bring myself to getting one? I guess the older I get the less I'm interested in 45 and the higher caliber pistol rounds. To me a 1911 9mm just fits perfect. Load some 124 grains down to 1,000 ft per second and it's just a blast to shoot. I have a half dozen already but the 2 that get the most range time are the Colt National Match and the Springfield Pro both in 9mm. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 10:30:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don’t think chronic reliability issues is accurate now if it was ever. What issues are you seeing that are confined to 9mm guns? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By 03RN: I'm not a fan or a hater. I'll probably eventually get one for my daughter but I expect she'll be pretty small since she was 3 months early but she's 2. With the minimal increase in ammo and chronic reliability issues I just don't see the point. Maybe if I didn't reload as 9mm is cheaper. If I want to shoot something with no recoil then I'll shoot a .22. I don’t think chronic reliability issues is accurate now if it was ever. What issues are you seeing that are confined to 9mm guns? Going back to when I was working at a range I saw a far more failure to feeds, and undiagnosable weird failures. Shooting at matches the same thing. I'm not even counting kimbers. I've read about a lot by high round count shooters that have tied Wilson's and Dan Wesson 9mms who could not get them to run with multiple trips back to the factories. I've seen plenty run 100% too so if someone says they have one that works well I will give them the benefit of the doubt. But then it goes back to that I don't think there's really any gain over .45s and terminal performance that not as good. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:16:35 AM EST
[#33]
This is what I'm going with for now. Satisfies my need for a steel gun, weighs exactly the same as my 1911, is both SA and DA and holds 15 rounds in a flush magazine.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:22:40 AM EST
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No regrets whatsoever. If I got stuck in a gunfight with only a handgun, this would be the one.
 Attached FileSA, Inc Range Officer Operator 9mm by Nighthawk Custom- "SpringHawk" -Checker Front Strap 25 LPI -Reliability Enhancement Package -Trigger Job, Nighthawk Match Grade Complete Trigger Job, 3.5 - 4.0 lb. (Including all new fully machined parts) Hammer, Sear, Disconnector, Trigger, and Sear Spring **Set pull to 4.5lbs** -Safety, Ambidextrous, Install, Fit and Tune -Magwell, Install and Fit Blended One Piece Magwell/Mainspring Housing (Falcon), cut from forging -Shorten Slide Stop & Bevel Frame **Blend in the rear of the slide to frame** -Prep Job, Grade 3, Prep Frame & slide, Detail prep all small parts, all bevels, blend, smooth scallops & trigger -Black Nitride Finish, Complete Gun -Black Nitride Finish, Individual Parts **Finish trigger, barrel, and barrel bushing in black** **Complete Blackout** -Sights, Install Nighthawk 2 Dot Rear Sight & Tritium Front Sight -Test Fire, Inspection, and Target -Six (6) Magazines, 9mm Chip McCormick, XP Government, 10rd, with base pad |
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PHL
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:47:17 AM EST
[#35]
I wouldnt even entertain the thought, till I shot one.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:43:09 AM EST
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Why not consider something like the Wilson Combat EDC9 or the Kimber KDS9C or even a Dan Wesson DWX or DXWC (1911 and 1911 controls and trigger on a CZ grip).
These are slightly sized down to take advantage of the 9mm round’s smaller size, yet double stack. Me personally, given a high enough quality firearm, would carry a 9mm 1911 in a heartbeat. I’ve even dithered with moving one of my rifles and the accoutrement to acquire a DWX or an Alchmey Quantico HiCap. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:14:27 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don’t think chronic reliability issues is accurate now if it was ever. What issues are you seeing that are confined to 9mm guns? My observation has been mainly competition. USPSA and IDPA shooting and SOing. The guys running 9mm 1911 patterns do have more reliability issues than guys shooting .45. The single stack ones do better than the double. Most of them were using reloads and had made some sort of mods, so you gotta factor that in. It used to be all staccato/sti 9mms, now that has changed in the last couple years. More prodigies showing up, me included. My thought is the 9mm in a 1911 a sweet shooting platform, but everything needs to be perfect to get 45 reliability. Everything. Ammo, springs, fitment, lube. You only have a fraction of the recoil compared to a 45, to make the same gun work. Lighter springs can only do so much. My Prodigy is an example. They put the duracoat on so thick on the rails it was killing slide velocity and causing reliability issues. Wore that down, and it ran with factory ammo 100%. My proven 9mm loads for my CZs were a different story. Not 100%, but that was fixed. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:28:48 AM EST
[#38]
both?
Colt 45 and Tisas 9mm  |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:31:45 AM EST
[#39]
I own one. A SA Ronin. I don’t shoot it much. I prefer a 1911 in 45 ACP. To each their own.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:44:06 AM EST
[#40]
My first 1911 was a 9mm Combat Commander that my dad had owned since the 1970s. When I was a kid admiring it, it was years before I knew 1911s were originally 45.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:58:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: John-in-austin]
[#41]
Sold all my 1911's a couple of panics ago. Also over time, dumped everything in .45 ACP.
Kept all the other metal framed guns as well as my plastic duty guns over the years. All the Hi-Powers stayed, as did all the Berettas and most of the 3rd gen Smiths. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:07:11 AM EST
[#42]
I don't have an issue with the concept of a 9mm 1911 but to me, it's traditionally a .45 ACP design at least in my eyes. A 9mm 1911 would be easy shooting no doubt but if I were really into the idea, I'd rather go for something like a 2011 Staccato or DWX. I guess to me, 9mm screams high capacity double stack guns unless it's a really small pocket gun, that's why a full size single stack 9mm makes me kind of scratch my head. On the other hand, if someone only had 9mm and wanted a 1911, then go right ahead.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:13:05 AM EST
[#43]
A 9mm steel 5" 1911 is just so fun to shoot.
I'm not a HP lover though, and never understood the "if you want a 9mm 1911 buy a HP!" thing. There really isn't a comparison to me. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:25:41 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dunderway: A 9mm steel 5" 1911 is just so fun to shoot. I'm not a HP lover though, and never understood the "if you want a 9mm 1911 buy a HP!" thing. There really isn't a comparison to me. I agree. Although I like my HP a lot, I never felt especially happy about carrying it because of the small safety and would far rather have the grip safety in addition to the thumb lever. The HP is a beautiful pistol, though, and a lot of fun to shoot. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:37:27 AM EST
[#45]
You get old.
 .45 ACP vs 9mm - Gun Guys Ep. 08 |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:38:36 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Why not consider something like the Wilson Combat EDC9 or the Kimber KDS9C or even a Dan Wesson DWX or DXWC (1911 and 1911 controls and trigger on a CZ grip). These are slightly sized down to take advantage of the 9mm round’s smaller size, yet double stack. Me personally, given a high enough quality firearm, would carry a 9mm 1911 in a heartbeat. I’ve even dithered with moving one of my rifles and the accoutrement to acquire a DWX or an Alchmey Quantico HiCap. Cost for one. I don't know about the kimber but with the Wilson and Dan Wesson they start at over double what you can get a decent 1911 at. No question an EDC is a fine gun but 1911's also have a lot things going for them like an almost infinite variety of parts and accessories which people love changing out. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:49:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Going back to when I was working at a range I saw a far more failure to feeds, and undiagnosable weird failures. Shooting at matches the same thing. I'm not even counting kimbers. I've read about a lot by high round count shooters that have tied Wilson's and Dan Wesson 9mms who could not get them to run with multiple trips back to the factories. I've seen plenty run 100% too so if someone says they have one that works well I will give them the benefit of the doubt. But then it goes back to that I don't think there's really any gain over .45s and terminal performance that not as good. Originally Posted By DVCER: My observation has been mainly competition. USPSA and IDPA shooting and SOing. The guys running 9mm 1911 patterns do have more reliability issues than guys shooting .45. The single stack ones do better than the double. Most of them were using reloads and had made some sort of mods, so you gotta factor that in. It used to be all staccato/sti 9mms, now that has changed in the last couple years. More prodigies showing up, me included. My thought is the 9mm in a 1911 a sweet shooting platform, but everything needs to be perfect to get 45 reliability. Everything. Ammo, springs, fitment, lube. You only have a fraction of the recoil compared to a 45, to make the same gun work. Lighter springs can only do so much. My Prodigy is an example. They put the duracoat on so thick on the rails it was killing slide velocity and causing reliability issues. Wore that down, and it ran with factory ammo 100%. My proven 9mm loads for my CZs were a different story. Not 100%, but that was fixed. In the years I sold them I really don't feel like I saw more 9mm's with problems but it's not like I kept a spreadsheet. The first store I worked at we were Kimber dealers during the external extractor fiasco so that's always the first thing I think of when I think of problematic 1911's. We sold a lot of Springfields and back then they only had a couple 9mm skus so they were definitely the minority. 2011's I have always considered separate guns. I've seen tons of them have issues including a few of my own. If you were to go back and read my posts when the Staccatos first came out I was pretty skeptical. I'd heard the "no they're good this time" story from STI too many times before to trust anyone. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:53:16 AM EST
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:45:39 PM EST
[#49]
I like them. I don't really shoot 45 much anymore.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:04:31 PM EST
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Used to be if you needed a reliable 9mm 1911 you’d go with a STI Trojan. STI knew how to make them reliable and accurate. Sure, you could buy Colts, Kimbers or Springfield but you could count on having to do a lot of work to match the Trojan’s out of box performance.
None of those shops really had cracked the code and some still haven’t. |
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