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Posted: 10/1/2020 7:46:44 PM EDT
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Check the serial number. It will tell you a lot what, does 245 mean? What year was it made? What year did the change from Made in B to Assembled in P. See if slide has been machined. Look at a real MIB and see if they are identical in font and location. The front and rear of the ejection port are buffed all to hell. I wouldn’t buy it.
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Posted: 10/1/2020 7:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check the serial number. It will tell you a lot what does 245 mean? Quote HistoryQuoted: Check the serial number. It will tell you a lot what does 245 mean? It will literally tell you nothing. 245 is just the serial number prefix. What year was it made? Don't care, its not relevant to my question. What year did the change from Made in B to Assembled in P. Again, not relevant. Only the Hi Powers imported by Browning have "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks. Cant see the detail well enough to See if slide has been machined. Fuzzy photos for sure, but the fonts are wrong. Look at a real MIB and see if they are identical in font and location. I have over a dozen HP's and none have that style of lettering. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 7:56:04 PM EDT
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Ok then, don’t buy it. WTF.
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Posted: 10/1/2020 7:56:16 PM EDT
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I don't recall seeing HiPower roll marks like that.
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Posted: 10/1/2020 7:57:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will literally tell you nothing. 245 is just the serial number prefix. Don't care, its not relevant to my question. Again, not relevant. Only the Hi Powers imported by Browning have "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks. Fuzzy photos for sure, but the fonts are wrong. I have over a dozen HP's and none have that style of lettering. If you know so much, and don't care about questions relevant to the validity of the piece, why'd you ask? |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:04:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok then, don’t buy it. WTF. Or it could be some super rare pistol. The BHP is on my want list and I don’t know shit about them yet. I find these threads very useful. Thanks OP |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:08:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you know so much, and don't care about questions relevant to the validity of the piece, why'd you ask? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It will literally tell you nothing. 245 is just the serial number prefix. Don't care, its not relevant to my question. Again, not relevant. Only the Hi Powers imported by Browning have "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks. Fuzzy photos for sure, but the fonts are wrong. I have over a dozen HP's and none have that style of lettering. If you know so much, and don't care about questions relevant to the validity of the piece, why'd you ask? I didn't ask a question about the serial # did I?  When someone posts: Quoted: Check the serial number. It will tell you a lot what does 245 mean? "It will tell you a lot" followed by "what does 245 mean?"...............indicates 
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:10:05 PM EDT
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Well, you pointed out all the issues you saw wrong with it. Stevie Wonder could see them. I was trying to help. Good luck. JFC.
Oh. And by the way. 1976-1997. In 1975 Browning standardized its serial number identification which it followed until 1998. 1. Hi-Power Type: 245=9mm. 2.May 14, 2008 You know BHP made in 30 cal for European and S American market, and 40 cal for a while, right? |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:14:43 PM EDT
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I think it's an assembled in Portugal gun that was scrubbed and cold blued.
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:35:17 PM EDT
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Just looked at mine, it is like this:
MADE IN BELGUIM ASSEMBLED IN PORTUGAL |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:37:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's an assembled in Portugal gun that was scrubbed and cold blued. On mine that would be hard to do as the two lines are very close to each other and are stamped equally deep. Don't think that would be possible based on mine. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's an assembled in Portugal gun that was scrubbed and cold blued. Me too. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:39:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just looked at mine, it is like this: MADE IN BELGUIM ASSEMBLED IN PORTUGAL Thats all I've ever seen. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:42:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On mine that would be hard to do as the two lines are very close to each other and are stamped equally deep. Don't think that would be possible based on mine. I think he means all markings were scrubbed. The left side markings are equally odd. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 9:05:45 PM EDT
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The all with the Portugal markings is utter crap! Here is my HP that I bought NIB years ago.
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Posted: 10/1/2020 9:39:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The all with the Portugal markings is utter crap! Here is my HP that I bought NIB years ago. You misunderstand. 1. Not all FN/Browning Hi Powers are marked "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal" because it wasn't until the 1971 that FN began using its facility in Portugal to do final assembly. That assembly facility cranked out HP's for decades before someone at Browning thought it a good idea to add "assembled in Portugal. 2. While those imported by Browning were the only ones "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal", those not imported by Browning were still assembled in Portugal. 3. Plenty of Browning HP's were assembled in Portugal but not rollmarked Assembled in Portugal. 4. FN made runs of slides by the thousands, storing them until needed, so rollmarks may have been made years before the frame and vice versa. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 10:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you pointed out all the issues you saw wrong with it. Stevie Wonder could see them. I was trying to help. Good luck. JFC. Oh. And by the way. 1976-1997. In 1975 Browning standardized its serial number identification which it followed until 1998. 1. Hi-Power Type: 245=9mm. 2.May 14, 2008 You know BHP made in 30 cal for European and S American market, and 40 cal for a while, right? No shit Sherlock. I've been collecting Hi Powers since around 1980. Again, my question has fuck all to do with the serial# or caliber. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 10:43:16 PM EDT
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To me, the pictures look like an FEG Browning Hi Power clone that has had the slide sanded, refinished, and remarked. I've owned a few FEG's, but don't have one now to compare, but I remember the stock grips being prouder / thicker than the browning version, and those pics look like the thicker, cheaper FEG wood grips. The checkering on the grips is also lower quality than what I've typically seen on Hi Powers. I'd pass.
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Posted: 10/1/2020 11:02:53 PM EDT
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OP, I’m not sure what “answer” you’re hoping for, so I don’t feel bad that I don’t have one. Here’s the font/size/placement on my 245 prefix 1993 HP though. Definitely looks way different.
The one posted has a PM in the serial number, which according to Browning would mean 1980. That would probably predate the Portugal Assembly markings but the font is still different than any I've seen. If someone were to go to the trouble of forging a serial number and roll marks though, why? And why 1980? It's not like that year has more value than others.   
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Posted: 10/1/2020 11:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You misunderstand. 1. Not all FN/Browning Hi Powers are marked "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal" because it wasn't until the 1971 that FN began using its facility in Portugal to do final assembly. That assembly facility cranked out HP's for decades before someone at Browning thought it a good idea to add "assembled in Portugal. 2. While those imported by Browning were the only ones "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal", those not imported by Browning were still assembled in Portugal. 3. Plenty of Browning HP's were assembled in Portugal but not rollmarked Assembled in Portugal. 4. FN made runs of slides by the thousands, storing them until needed, so rollmarks may have been made years before the frame and vice versa. Ok, run my serial number I believe it is from the 1980's. Should it not say assembled in Portugal? ETA: Looked it up 1987 |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 11:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, I’m not sure what “answer” you’re hoping for, Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, I’m not sure what “answer” you’re hoping for, I was wondering who had seen an HP with that same/similiar markings. Here’s the font/size/placement on my 245 prefix HP though. Definitely looks way different. I know. Thats normal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 11:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, run my serial number I believe it is from the 1980's. Should it not say assembled in Portugal? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You misunderstand. 1. Not all FN/Browning Hi Powers are marked "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal" because it wasn't until the 1971 that FN began using its facility in Portugal to do final assembly. That assembly facility cranked out HP's for decades before someone at Browning thought it a good idea to add "assembled in Portugal. 2. While those imported by Browning were the only ones "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal", those not imported by Browning were still assembled in Portugal. 3. Plenty of Browning HP's were assembled in Portugal but not rollmarked Assembled in Portugal. 4. FN made runs of slides by the thousands, storing them until needed, so rollmarks may have been made years before the frame and vice versa. Ok, run my serial number I believe it is from the 1980's. Should it not say assembled in Portugal? Read what I wrote. Again, only Browning Arms HP's have the "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks.....but no were did I write that ALL Browning Arms HP's have them. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 11:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know. Thats normal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Here’s the font/size/placement on my 245 prefix HP though. Definitely looks way different. I know. Thats normal. Yeah, normal for 1993. But what advantage would someone have in remarking one as if it were a 1980 manufacture? Aren't there actual rare dates that would have had more of a reason to reproduce? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:37:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, normal for 1993. But what advantage would someone have in remarking one as if it were a 1980 manufacture? Aren't there actual rare dates that would have had more of a reason to reproduce? No idea. Its obviously not an attempt to "fake" a rare or collectible pistol because it so damn crudely done. I wonder if it was a generic slide from who knows where and the importer decided he need to mark it to get it in the US. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 9:59:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No idea. Its obviously not an attempt to "fake" a rare or collectible pistol because it so damn crudely done. I wonder if it was a generic slide from who knows where and the importer decided he need to mark it to get it in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, normal for 1993. But what advantage would someone have in remarking one as if it were a 1980 manufacture? Aren't there actual rare dates that would have had more of a reason to reproduce? No idea. Its obviously not an attempt to "fake" a rare or collectible pistol because it so damn crudely done. I wonder if it was a generic slide from who knows where and the importer decided he need to mark it to get it in the US. Maybe it started out saying FN Manufacturing Imported by Century Arms, in a dot-matrix font? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 10:09:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read what I wrote. Again, only Browning Arms HP's have the "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks.....but no were did I write that ALL Browning Arms HP's have them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You misunderstand. 1. Not all FN/Browning Hi Powers are marked "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal" because it wasn't until the 1971 that FN began using its facility in Portugal to do final assembly. That assembly facility cranked out HP's for decades before someone at Browning thought it a good idea to add "assembled in Portugal. 2. While those imported by Browning were the only ones "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal", those not imported by Browning were still assembled in Portugal. 3. Plenty of Browning HP's were assembled in Portugal but not rollmarked Assembled in Portugal. 4. FN made runs of slides by the thousands, storing them until needed, so rollmarks may have been made years before the frame and vice versa. Ok, run my serial number I believe it is from the 1980's. Should it not say assembled in Portugal? Read what I wrote. Again, only Browning Arms HP's have the "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks.....but no were did I write that ALL Browning Arms HP's have them. Ok, misunderstood your statement. That said I wonder why some are marked like that and some like mine are not within the same time span? |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 11:59:45 AM EDT
[#28]
Well Einstein, you said the 245 means nothing, it’s just a prefix. I showed where it means 9mm since they were made in other calibers. Are you ok? Put down the crack pipe, or go to bed or something. You’re just trying to be a hard ass. Just go back down in the basement and lighten up.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 5:32:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well Einstein, you said the 245 means nothing, it’s just a prefix. Quote HistoryQuoted: Well Einstein, you said the 245 means nothing, it’s just a prefix. It is.  I showed where it means 9mm since they were made in other calibers. Yet there are literally millions of 9mm Hi Powers in 9mm that do not have the 245 prefix. See why i said it was meaningless in the context of this thread. Are you ok? Put down the crack pipe, or go to bed or something. GTFO You’re just trying to be a hard ass. But, I'm not a dumb ass. Just go back down in the basement and lighten up. I'm in Texas, we ain't gots basements. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 5:40:26 PM EDT
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Oh a couple of years ago I recall reading of FEG faked bhp's, so likely that is what we are looking at with this specimen.
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Posted: 10/2/2020 5:41:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh a couple of years ago I recall reading of FEG faked bhp's, so likely that is what we are looking at with this specimen. I've seen those. Usually they are easily identified by a serial# prefix that FN didn't use. |
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Posted: 10/3/2020 10:12:30 AM EDT
[#32]
Whatever this is, it isn’t a Browning Hi-Power.
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Posted: 10/3/2020 10:32:50 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Read what I wrote. Again, only Browning Arms HP's have the "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks.....but no were did I write that ALL Browning Arms HP's have them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You misunderstand. 1. Not all FN/Browning Hi Powers are marked "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal" because it wasn't until the 1971 that FN began using its facility in Portugal to do final assembly. That assembly facility cranked out HP's for decades before someone at Browning thought it a good idea to add "assembled in Portugal. 2. While those imported by Browning were the only ones "Made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal", those not imported by Browning were still assembled in Portugal. 3. Plenty of Browning HP's were assembled in Portugal but not rollmarked Assembled in Portugal. 4. FN made runs of slides by the thousands, storing them until needed, so rollmarks may have been made years before the frame and vice versa. Ok, run my serial number I believe it is from the 1980's. Should it not say assembled in Portugal? Read what I wrote. Again, only Browning Arms HP's have the "Assembled in Portugal" rollmarks.....but no were did I write that ALL Browning Arms HP's have them. About that...   |
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Posted: 10/3/2020 10:40:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Yeah, doesn't look right to me either.
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Posted: 10/3/2020 11:46:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAgain, the only Hi Powers you will find with "Assembled in Portugal" on the slide are those imported by Browning Arms. It doesn't mean all Hi Powers imported by Browning Arms have "Assembled in Portugal" because that clearly is not the case. It means the FN HP's imported by Cassi, Howco, FNMI and others DO NOT have or ever had "Assembled in Portugal" stamped on them. |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 8:58:54 AM EDT
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Based on the serial number it is 1980 manufacture. No, none of that font looks right to me either. I have several Hi Powers and have owned many more. As the poster above stated I believe it to be one of the FEG clones.
Here is my 1980 but a much earlier serial number.  Here is my 1986 Hi Power.  Here is my 1989 Hi Power. 
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:17:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To me, the pictures look like an FEG Browning Hi Power clone that has had the slide sanded, refinished, and remarked. I've owned a few FEG's, but don't have one now to compare, but I remember the stock grips being prouder / thicker than the browning version, and those pics look like the thicker, cheaper FEG wood grips. The checkering on the grips is also lower quality than what I've typically seen on Hi Powers. I'd pass. That's was what I was thinking when I saw that auction before this thread. I've never seen one of the supposed "fake" Hi Powers, but the font and size of the roll marks on this gun are what kept me from bidding on it. |
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Posted: 10/15/2020 12:43:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Well it sold to someone who could care less :-)
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Posted: 10/15/2020 5:29:14 PM EDT
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An example of "how not to act in tech forums".
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