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Is the Federal Auto Match boxed in 325 round bulk packs any good in semi auto pistols/10-22s/AR15-22s??
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Regarding accuracy, I've gotten very good results with 40 grain plated solid point HV Aguila but there have been other problems with it.
I've had several 50 round boxes in which more than a few rounds were loaded so weakly that the bullets traveled 20-30 feet from the muzzle and visibly plopped right down onto the ground. You could easily see them slowly leave the barrel an arc down to the floor. When I get these types of rounds these days, I toss the entire remainder of the box because as odd as it seems, when you get 3 or 4 of those squib rounds, it appears that the rest if the box will be rife with them. Another problem I've noticed is that regardless of the pistol used, on occassion, Aguila likes to throw stlill burning embers out of the ejection port and onto your hands or into your face. My wife refuses to shoot the stuff but I actually find it to be more accurate than the 36 grain HP or.40 grain solid plated HV CCI she shoots. We literally shoot 10's of thousands of .22 between us each year. ETA: the most consistently accurate .22 I've found for handguns is Wolf. UPDATE: My remarks regarding the sparking of the 40 grain Aguila referred to the now discontinued yellow boxes marked Eley Prime. The new white boxes marked Aguila Prime do no such thing; it burns clean. |
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Lamp shade- my experience over the years has been to avoid any bulk pack ammo as it is consistently the lowest quality product every company produces. Don’t be fooled by the marketing nonsense there is nothing “match grade” about auto match. It is probably fine for activity where accuracy is not at all critical ( I just burned some up at a recent steel challenge match just to rid myself of the little I had) I own 6 22’s and only one of them runs it reliably.
My best bet for a cheap plinking ammo ( which happily is easy to find on store shelves again) is the cci blazer. For events requiring more accuracy and consistency cci standard is my choice. I simply do not shoot well enough to notice the improvement with high end ammo. Last season I shot eley in my bullseye competition.22 and my average score was the same as when I use cci. |
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CCI Mini-Mags have been my go to ammo for years now. I still shoot other bulk stuff like Federal and Blazer as I find it for decent prices. I don't shoot any Remington at all and mostly stay away from cheap Winchester 333 & 555 bulk packs. Nothing but bad experiences with it in all of my .22 firearms.
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Originally Posted By 1bamashooter:
Eley and Lapua, look at what all the competition shooters use. I shoot Eley in my 40x http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u141/will6101/DSCN2193.jpg View Quote Lapua is probably better quality than Eley but lacks acceptance. |
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I've had the best luck with CCI. Federal has been the second best.
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CCI Mini Mags. These are my goto. If I want to know if a gun will run this is where i start.
Word of caution I bought a box of 275-38gr Federal bulk HPs this week. 7 out of 10 were normal, the remaining 3 were like CB caps and wouldn't even start to open the action. |
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CCI standard velocity (1070 fps) .22LR has been excellent for my purposes.
It's very quite, can or no can. It's been amazingly reliable. I haven't got a misfire in years. It's very accurate. It's cheap, currently selling @ $232.00 per 5000 delivered to your door. 08/2018. |
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Originally Posted By captain127:
Lamp shade- my experience over the years has been to avoid any bulk pack ammo as it is consistently the lowest quality product every company produces. Don’t be fooled by the marketing nonsense there is nothing “match grade” about auto match. It is probably fine for activity where accuracy is not at all critical ( I just burned some up at a recent steel challenge match just to rid myself of the little I had) I own 6 22’s and only one of them runs it reliably. My best bet for a cheap plinking ammo ( which happily is easy to find on store shelves again) is the cci blazer. For events requiring more accuracy and consistency cci standard is my choice. I simply do not shoot well enough to notice the improvement with high end ammo. Last season I shot eley in my bullseye competition.22 and my average score was the same as when I use cci. View Quote What I’ve found is that if you have time and don’t mind the effort, you can sort / match your bulk pack ammo to suit your needs. Sorting 22 ammo is nothing new and has been the secret of competition shooters for years, when real match ammo wasn’t as easily obtained as it is these days. When sorting weight, OAL, rim thickness and bullet condition, if you know what your specific firearm shoots best, you can make bulk ammo really shoot well. I messed around with this theory for a while and found that the most consistency in all measurable categories for any bulk packed ammmo came from Auto Match. I’ve also found that even without sorting it, my most accurate semi-auto rifles shoot it pretty accurately and very reliably. The most accurate .22 semi I own is a VERY modified 10/22 and it actually shoots sorted Auto Match better then any Wolf ammo I’ve yet to try. The tight chamber does not like the wax coating on those bullets even a little bit. |
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Depends on the gun, it really does.
My old Ruger Mk1 5.5" - Thunderbolts were reliable and accurate enough to squirrel hunt with - headshots only. My old Win. M52B - Thunderbolts again. I could shoot the thumb tacks out of a target at 25 yds. and killed a fly or two that was on the paper at 25 yds. My Ruger 10/22 - Rem. Golden Bullets gave me the best groups and reliability. My AR15 with .22 conversion kit - Remington Golden Bullets again. Dime sized ten shot groups at 25 meters. My youngest son's AR15 with .22 conversion kit shot Federal .22 ammo better than Remington. Never found CCI Stingers or Remington Yellow Jackets to be accurate in any .22 I owned. Recent range trip: Chipmunk single shot bolt action rifle was sometimes putting 2 of 3 bullets in the same hole (or tearing the hole a little bigger) at 25 yds. Henry lever action rifle was shooting 5 and 6" groups at 25 yds. with the same ammo from the same boxes the Chipmunk shot so well. Different guns "like" different ammo. Buy boxes of different brands/bullet styles, go to the range and find out what shoots best in your firearms. |
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CCI isn’t the most accurate but it is reliable and pretty accurate for the price. My Tikka T1x prefers RWS R50 and Special match if we are strictly talking about group sizes.
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If the rifle and the nut behind the trigger are sub MOA (actually sub 1/2 MOA) capable. For smallest possiblegroup size at 50 and 100 yards:
Eley Match 40 grain Lapua Center X 40 grain This is standard 1080 fps (subsonic) velocity .22lr true match ammo that will challenge the best equipment and technique. Every rifle will have its preferences, but these two are extremely capable. |
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CCI MiniMags have been pretty reliable for me In a ISSC M2 and a Sig Mosquito. To be fair, I bought both these guns used yesterday and today put a few hundred rounds through each.
I’ll mostly shoot CCI or Remington through several rifles and rarely have issues. |
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Originally Posted By OdT: This is a new thread & poll since the question is repeated often here. Let's measure arfcoms popularity choices if nothing else, (Multiple choices are accepted in the poll. Please vote for brands that you currently buy & use). The poll is limited to 10 choices, so I'll base those choices on Midways top sales. Some ammo is obviously better suited for some specific purposes than others are. So some of the better stuff may not make the poll. On topic~ After my 3 decades of rimfire shooting, hunting, and competition, this is what I keep on hand and use regularly;
View Quote CCI copper plated is my choice when it comes to .22LR I have used the following with outstanding results for years on years of shooting. now I just use them exclusively in all my .22 LR Firearms both pistols & rifles. https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/mini-mag/6-31.html https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/stinger/6-50.html https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/velocitor_hp/6-47.html https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/ar_tactical/6-956.html https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/ |
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Most of my guns will run pretty much anything but Thunderbolts. I never met a .22 that didn't like CCI Mini Mags. I have an old Savage/Stevens 87 B that won't run anything but CCI Mini Mags.
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/-22LR-40-Grain-HS-Brand-comparisons-4-/50-197739/
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[#21]
I use to shoot a .22 pistol league and everyone shot CCI mini mags.
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Originally Posted By M1A4ME: Depends on the gun, it really does. My old Ruger Mk1 5.5" - Thunderbolts were reliable and accurate enough to squirrel hunt with - headshots only. My old Win. M52B - Thunderbolts again. I could shoot the thumb tacks out of a target at 25 yds. and killed a fly or two that was on the paper at 25 yds. My Ruger 10/22 - Rem. Golden Bullets gave me the best groups and reliability. My AR15 with .22 conversion kit - Remington Golden Bullets again. Dime sized ten shot groups at 25 meters. My youngest son's AR15 with .22 conversion kit shot Federal .22 ammo better than Remington. Never found CCI Stingers or Remington Yellow Jackets to be accurate in any .22 I owned. Recent range trip: Chipmunk single shot bolt action rifle was sometimes putting 2 of 3 bullets in the same hole (or tearing the hole a little bigger) at 25 yds. Henry lever action rifle was shooting 5 and 6" groups at 25 yds. with the same ammo from the same boxes the Chipmunk shot so well. Different guns "like" different ammo. Buy boxes of different brands/bullet styles, go to the range and find out what shoots best in your firearms. View Quote 100% true. And even lot numbers can make a huge difference. I have a Ruger MK II that will one hole Super X ammo [scoped] at 25 yards all day if I am worth a shit. However, it is from one lot and one lot only. Bought other lots and it's not even close to that lot that is accurate as hell. Tried all sorts of other stuff and some work good and some so so but none are as good as that one single lot. I bought every box I could of that one lot # I could find and only use it in that one Ruger MK II. .22 ammo and firearms are a weird and often frustrating thing when it comes to accuracy. |
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This was from a little test I did:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Interesting-observation-on-the-Federal-1600-round-Black-Pack-788BF-22LR-ammo/5-2168748/?page=1 Total failures: 27 total failures out of 500 rounds. (5.4%) 0 - Federal "Black Pack" 36gr CPHP 2 - CCI Mini-Mag 36gr CPHP 3 - CCI Mini-Mag 40gr CPRN 2 - CCI STD Velocity 40gr Lead RN 13 - Winchester M22 40gr Lead RN (bulk 500 pack) 7 - Federal 36gr CPHP bulk (550 WalMart value pack) Failures per gun (100 rounds fired): 3 - Ruger MarkII Target 10 - Ruger SR-22 11 - Walther PP 0 - S&W M&P 15-22 AR rifle 3 - Nordic NC-22 AR rifle View Quote |
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[#24]
Federal Auto Match for my semi auto pistols is my favorite
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Originally Posted By Saddler: Eley TENEX is the ammo used in the Olympic Games View Quote It is also VERY expensive. The price is completely out of line with the accuracy improvement it offers to we mere mortals. My main ammo is Wolf Match Extra. I bought a case when it was made by SK (that era) and that case is getting very low. I also have a case of the SK-equivalent but haven't used any of it yet. I have never once felt my ammo was holding me back. I have a bunch of miscellaneous stuff by ELEY, RWS, Lapua,... more than enough for testing and a few matches. |
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In my posting above, I forgot this is the PISTOL subforum. That ammo is for my rifles.
My Buckmark is having trouble with all standard velocity ammo, no matter the maker (ELEY, Wolf,...) - failure to feed, failure to extract,... I used to use Winchester T-22 in it to great success. When I tried ELEY Match Pistol (yellow box), I had nothing but trouble. The pistol needs ammo with a bit more OOMPH! than match ammo offers. |
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