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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:14:31 AM EDT
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Late last year my buddy was in a local shop and picked up an early serial Ithaca M1911A1 No 856682 (278th serial of approximately 330,000). The store had brought it in less than 24hrs prior from either the original owner or the original owner's son, the story was a bit unclear. It arrived with a USGI holster, extra mags, and belt, but the store owner refused to buy those extras off the owner (he's a bit of an interesting character). My friend bought the pistol because he is originally from the Ithaca NY area and wanted a hometown built 1911 as a shooter. Before even loading the magazine let alone shooting a single round he found out it was a very low serial (Ithaca started production at 856405), and decided to sell it. He offered it to me a few months ago, and we worked out a deal. Naturally I took it upon myself to do a bit of research on these early pistols because I'm an idiot for details and history on unique pieces (see my thread on the Tuskegee Pilot M1911). After my research I believe my pistol to be complete with correct and original parts (checkered), Du-Lite finish (holster worn/stored), and to be very early production based upon other pistols in the first 500 or so. For the experts out there, If I have made any errors, please correct me! I'd love to know when and where my pistol shipped, but original records for the earliest Ithacas are illegible, missing, and/or destroyed. Edit 8-2-2022 Tremendous thanks goes out to a collector who has a copy of some early shipping records and was willing to take a look at them and see if he could find my serial number. While the shipping manifests for the first 5 shipments were never recovered, along with the records for the first 4 cases of shipment #8 being missing (case #31-34), he was able to locate my serial number! No 856682 was found in Shipment #8, Crate #41 as part of a 1,000 piece shipment sent to Augusta Arsenal on March 25, 1943. Click To View Spoiler My source data is available upon request, or you can read it at www.1911forum.com link *The earliest Ithaca pistols were produced in early 1943 and shipped in non-sequential order. *The serial number was originally stamped in a large Roman script type font. This font was used on approximately 250-275 pistols before being changed to a smaller, deeper font that was used throughout the rest of production (the 246th serial 856650 features a different font compared to the 278th serial 865682). *Many of the earliest Ithaca pistols featured an I-stamped prefix to the serial number. Fewer than 246 were stamped this way. More serials are needed to further narrow down how many had the I prefix, the change happened somewhere between I-856531 (127th serial) and 856650 (246th serial). *Ithaca was supplied with 7,000 unfinished new Colt M1911A1 frames and 2,200 Colt in late 1942, prior to their manufacturing of the pistol in 1943. These frames can be identified by the long frame extension/tang in the area of the grip safety, which was unique to Colt-manufactured M1911 and M1911A1 frames (books by Clawson, Meadows). *I would like to make note that the above frames are separate and different from the 6,200 vintage surplus M1911 WWI Colt frames also supplied to Ithaca via Springfield Armory. The vintage WWI era frames are typically stamped with H & G by the disconnecter, and may feature the heart-shaped cutouts under the grip panels. On the WWI frames Ithaca removed Colt's external markings, and finished machining them to M1911A1 configuration by adding the finger grooves in the trigger area (books by Clawson, Meadows). *Approximately the first 30,000-35,000 pistols were sandblasted and finished in Du-Lite blue, before being changed to a Parkerized finish somewhere around serial 890XXX *Frames were serialized by Ithaca, inspected (typically the small FJA stamp early on), proofed (P and flaming bomb stamps), and accepted with crossed cannon ordnance stamp on the rear right side. *Small parts such as the slide stop, mainspring housing, thumb safety, and hammer, were checkered during early production. They would be serrated later on. *The flaming bomb stamp on the frame changed locations from behind the disconnector hole (856682 and prior) to the inside of the dust cover by the slide stop hole (somewhere between 856683 and 861698). I finally took it home on Tuesday. I stripped the gun down and gave a quick soak in kroil overnight, then gently cleaned it with a soft toothbrush and reassembled the next morning. It looks to have been rarely fired, and only disassembled/reassembled a few times. I know it was taken apart at least once because of the idiot scratch which was on it when my friend bought it (he sent me pics while at the store buying it), and there are also a few scratches on the recoil spring guide rod from the spring being installed and removed. It's a shame the gun was stored in a holster, otherwise the finish would likely have held up better. Of interesting note to me are the Rockwell Hardness testing points! These leave behind dot shaped marks approximately the size of a period. Rockwell hardness testing helps determine the strength of the metal, and whether heat treating has had the desired effect (when applicable). The most obvious test point I found is located at the front of slide on the right hand side, 1/2" aft of the stirrup cut where it meets the dust cover taper. This is a common location for these marks. There also appear to be a few hardness testing points on the frame, although some could be indexing marks from a tool during the manufacturing process. *immediately below FJA stamp *the top surface of the right hand side frame rail just before feed ramp Enough text, here are the photos! Last but not least, the 3 Amigos! October 1918 Colt M1911 (sandblasted and blued for WWII, service pistol belonging Major Lemuel Custis, first class of Tuskegee Airmen), 1943 Ithaca M1911A1, original Du-Lite finish and parts, 1943 US&S M1911A1, arsenal rebuilt at Springfield Armory, parkerized frame and slide, all US&S blued parts. Next addition will have to be a 1943 Remington Rand of some type - mixmaster or original - gotta see what's out there! |
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Nice.
IMHO, you should post this on the CMP forum as well, for info purposes, as well as other 1911 forums, if you haven't done so already. |
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Great little collection. Currently my only 45 is a 1911A1 CMP gun, Rand frame with colt postwar rebuild barrel and slide, marked as rebuilt at USMC depot Albany GA in 1977.
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Quoted: Nice. IMHO, you should post this on the CMP forum as well, for info purposes, as well as other 1911 forums, if you haven't done so already. View Quote Thanks, it was posted on 1911forum.com first (that's where I was able to do the most digging with serials) and I'll be putting it on 1911addicts later today. Like many other people I have been patiently waiting for CMP to activate my account on their forum - from what I understand, some people have waited years! |
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some of it is very much that! Just be careful and remember you're in a tech forum right now and not GD. Looking forward to any extra info or insight that you might have. |
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Update 8-2-2022 Tremendous thanks goes out to a collector who has a copy of some early shipping records and was willing to take a look at them and see if he could find my serial number. While the shipping manifests for the first 5 shipments were never recovered, along with the records for the first 4 cases of shipment #8 being missing (case #31-34), he was able to locate my serial number! No 856682 was found in Shipment #8, Crate #41 as part of a 1,000 piece shipment sent to Augusta Arsenal on March 25, 1943.
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Quoted: some of it is very much that! Just be careful and remember you're in a tech forum right now and not GD. Looking forward to any extra info or insight that you might have. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: some of it is very much that! Just be careful and remember you're in a tech forum right now and not GD. Looking forward to any extra info or insight that you might have. Like that hunter cartoon. Sorry for delay, a couple admiring comments this weekend hopefully. Congratulations on the shipping record above, a real coup! |
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@WWIIWMD
Quoted: ........ That's the beauty of United States War Relics and the most studied/documented weapon of War ever built; everyone profits in knowledge from the coups and finds of others. As Karl Karash wrote me years ago "Many senior collectors wont look at anything under 95% condition, and in doing so pass by countless interesting, historic and important weapons." ....... View Quote Precisely why I wanted to jump on this one when it was offered to me! Quoted: Your Coup Find, pics, comments and Spoiler demanded reading multiple times. Your Tuskegee thread stellar too. 335,466 Ithaca were built, third behind Colts 575,632 and Rand's 877,751 Before forget, in addition to research, one of your priorities should be to find (and/or buy) owners, photos and data on ANY pistol from your production era for vital A-B comparison. This is where 'tells' and nuances really emerge, other like examples. As always, one lower and one higher of similar vintage are preferred. View Quote Thank you, the Tuskegee pistol is incredibly special, as is this - but for obviously different reasons. A few months ago I located and attempted contact with the owners of I-856500 (182 away) and 856650 (only 32 away!) with the hopes I could get more information/data as well as additional photos of their pistols but have not heard back from either. One of them has been active online recently and must simply not want to share, while the other has been inactive for a few years. My search continues! Here are the changes I have found in the serial numbers - all of these are Colt frames (except maybe the very last) as evidenced by the larger tang/extension by the grip safety. Some may be old M1911 frames from 1918, while 856650 and 856682 are M1911A1 frames. I-856500 with the I-prefix and different/early font, the 96th serial! I was lucky enough to receive a copy of the Ithaca shipping records from another collector and this serial appears to my eyes to be located in Shipment #8 chest #36, 23 Mar 1943 (same shipment as mine) 856650 with different/early font (but no I-prefix). Has flaming bomb by disconnector. (This serial also appears in Shipment #8 chest #39, 23 Mar 1943) 856682 (mine) with new serial font which remained through the rest of the contract. (Again, this serial is in Shipment #8 chest #41, 23 Mar 1943) The later contract used a slightly larger version of the same font. 858032 was arsenal refurbished (AA stamp) and at least the slide was parkerized (frame also appears park'd over pitting near mag release) so I passed on buying it for now. No flaming bomb found on frame. (This serial also appears to my eyes in Shipment #8 chest #45, 23 Mar 1943) 859526 - look at the differing shape of the frame near the safety! (This serial is in Shipment #9 chest #57, 5 April Mar 1943, to Augusta Ordnance) Quoted: Lots to digest and consider at Ithaca in context with manufacturing then underway at Colts, US&S well into production by March and Rand's early struggles (damn civilians!) later overcome to record setting effect (50,000/Month for 4 consecutive months). Colt's also supplied Switch with parts until their fixtures and tooling came on line, the Women-Built pistols of WWII (9 of 10 workers at Swissvale were WOW's) receiving the only official War Department commendation. Engineering schematics were provided by Colts to Rand, they sent parts to Switch and Ithaca, it was Total War. Also rare were the new replacement slides already finished and stored at Ithaca ordered used on new Ithaca pistol production to accelerate deliveries. No one else did that but Ithaca. Can post a photo of a mint Double Logo Ithaca if you like. ETA recall a rarity having shipping records on that one, from a case of 50 in September 1943. Arsenal Bombs are a favorite, a relatively low total of the 2.3 million or so WWII service pistols had them, Ithaca shared the feature with Colts early production. You're fortunate to document this much with an Ithaca. Here are Rockwell Hardness strikes on the 29th Switch John Holbrook's once owned. There's typically no mistaking these marks as accidents. View Quote You're right, I've see you post that triple Rockwell photo before so this one on my 856682 in a similar location was very obvious: A double Ithaca is on my "want" list! Quoted: Some of your photos seem more color correct than others, True Temperature lighting deserved for your historically important pistol. Factory workers were still getting used to equipment and processes in all early production, blunted hammers, unfinished finger cut machining, scarred minor parts and more observed on examples from each of the 4 prime contractors. Would be on the lookout for those variables that might seem innocent at first glance. Of the 4 major companies, prime examples reveal no two park processes are the same color. Blue black to for us is more interesting than matte gray. In your internal photo of the bomb by the disconnector it sure has a blue hue to it, might just be lighting. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JnKJKrF/0/d5abe67a/O/i-JnKJKrF.jpg View Quote Yes! That photo was taken outside with indirect light and there is a blue/black sheen to the interior of both the frame and slide, much like the barrel but the finish is not as polished. Most of the other photos were taken indoors. Quoted: Differing minor parts color (always darker) is common, some early pistols for at least two companies were more uniform. We would benefit from great photos of this (or any) pistol as you have observed overall wear/internal firing signature are limited. All bets are off with early builds but other than those, fixture indexing marks are not common; failure to complete surface machining steps was very common since over 600 machining operations, 239 fixtures and 447 different gauges were used on each pistol. Fun Fact: 1 receiver fixture remains at Colts that has been in use since 1911, every 1911 receiver ever made for any market has gone through that fixture. Would love to see the striking finish difference of Shipment 8 - Crate 41 and this later 184xxxx Have you taken any new photos yet? https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ktLgCGR/0/913046bf/O/i-ktLgCGR.jpg ETA: comment above on Double Logo Ithaca - shipped 24 September, 1943 in a case of 50 not this Ithaca View Quote Bring it on over, we can take a side-by-side photo! I plan on taking detailed shots of all the small parts, as well as some nice natural indirect light of the whole pistol with the hopes that the camera will have the correct color balance. The photos in the original post were to show the general lack of wear - it's a shame this was stored in a holster for so long, but at least it is now being properly cared for. |
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Quoted: Of the 4 major companies, prime examples reveal no two park processes are the same color. Blue black to for us is more interesting than matte gray. In your internal photo of the bomb by the disconnector it sure has a blue hue to it, might just be lighting. View Quote Early Ithaca was finished in DuLite (bluing over sandblasted surface), not Parkerized. OP's pistol appears to be one of those. Fewer than 35,000 received the DuLite finish. |
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Quoted: @WWIIWMD Precisely why I wanted to jump on this one when it was offered to me! Thank you, the Tuskegee pistol is incredibly special, as is this - but for obviously different reasons. A few months ago I located and attempted contact with the owners of I-856500 (182 away) and 856650 (only 32 away!) with the hopes I could get more information/data as well as additional photos of their pistols but have not heard back from either. One of them has been active online recently and must simply not want to share, while the other has been inactive for a few years. My search continues! Here are the changes I have found in the serial numbers - all of these are Colt frames (except maybe the very last) as evidenced by the larger tang/extension by the grip safety. Some may be old M1911 frames from 1918, while 856650 and 856682 are M1911A1 frames. I-856500 with the I-prefix and different/early font, the 96th serial! I was lucky enough to receive a copy of the Ithaca shipping records from another collector and this serial appears to my eyes to be located in Shipment #8 chest #36, 23 Mar 1943 (same shipment as mine) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/856500-6-2498585.jpg 856650 with different/early font (but no I-prefix). Has flaming bomb by disconnector. (This serial also appears in Shipment #8 chest #39, 23 Mar 1943) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/856650R3-2498586.jpg 856682 (mine) with new serial font which remained through the rest of the contract. (Again, this serial is in Shipment #8 chest #41, 23 Mar 1943) The later contract used a slightly larger version of the same font. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/000-2498602.jpg 858032 was arsenal refurbished (AA stamp) and at least the slide was parkerized (frame also appears park'd over pitting near mag release) so I passed on buying it for now. No flaming bomb found on frame. (This serial also appears to my eyes in Shipment #8 chest #45, 23 Mar 1943) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/IMG_5230__1_-2498666.jpg 859526 - look at the differing shape of the frame near the safety! (This serial is in Shipment #9 chest #57, 5 April Mar 1943, to Augusta Ordnance) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/0859526R-2498633.jpg You're right, I've see you post that triple Rockwell photo before so this one on my 856682 in a similar location was very obvious: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/Rockwell-2498655.jpg A double Ithaca is on my "want" list! Yes! That photo was taken outside with indirect light and there is a blue/black sheen to the interior of both the frame and slide, much like the barrel but the finish is not as polished. Most of the other photos were taken indoors. Bring it on over, we can take a side-by-side photo! I plan on taking detailed shots of all the small parts, as well as some nice natural indirect light of the whole pistol with the hopes that the camera will have the correct color balance. The photos in the original post were to show the general lack of wear - it's a shame this was stored in a holster for so long, but at least it is now being properly cared for. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: @WWIIWMD Quoted: ........ That's the beauty of United States War Relics and the most studied/documented weapon of War ever built; everyone profits in knowledge from the coups and finds of others. As Karl Karash wrote me years ago "Many senior collectors wont look at anything under 95% condition, and in doing so pass by countless interesting, historic and important weapons." ....... Precisely why I wanted to jump on this one when it was offered to me! Quoted: Your Coup Find, pics, comments and Spoiler demanded reading multiple times. Your Tuskegee thread stellar too. 335,466 Ithaca were built, third behind Colts 575,632 and Rand's 877,751 Before forget, in addition to research, one of your priorities should be to find (and/or buy) owners, photos and data on ANY pistol from your production era for vital A-B comparison. This is where 'tells' and nuances really emerge, other like examples. As always, one lower and one higher of similar vintage are preferred. Thank you, the Tuskegee pistol is incredibly special, as is this - but for obviously different reasons. A few months ago I located and attempted contact with the owners of I-856500 (182 away) and 856650 (only 32 away!) with the hopes I could get more information/data as well as additional photos of their pistols but have not heard back from either. One of them has been active online recently and must simply not want to share, while the other has been inactive for a few years. My search continues! Here are the changes I have found in the serial numbers - all of these are Colt frames (except maybe the very last) as evidenced by the larger tang/extension by the grip safety. Some may be old M1911 frames from 1918, while 856650 and 856682 are M1911A1 frames. I-856500 with the I-prefix and different/early font, the 96th serial! I was lucky enough to receive a copy of the Ithaca shipping records from another collector and this serial appears to my eyes to be located in Shipment #8 chest #36, 23 Mar 1943 (same shipment as mine) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/856500-6-2498585.jpg 856650 with different/early font (but no I-prefix). Has flaming bomb by disconnector. (This serial also appears in Shipment #8 chest #39, 23 Mar 1943) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/856650R3-2498586.jpg 856682 (mine) with new serial font which remained through the rest of the contract. (Again, this serial is in Shipment #8 chest #41, 23 Mar 1943) The later contract used a slightly larger version of the same font. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/000-2498602.jpg 858032 was arsenal refurbished (AA stamp) and at least the slide was parkerized (frame also appears park'd over pitting near mag release) so I passed on buying it for now. No flaming bomb found on frame. (This serial also appears to my eyes in Shipment #8 chest #45, 23 Mar 1943) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/IMG_5230__1_-2498666.jpg 859526 - look at the differing shape of the frame near the safety! (This serial is in Shipment #9 chest #57, 5 April Mar 1943, to Augusta Ordnance) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/0859526R-2498633.jpg Quoted: Lots to digest and consider at Ithaca in context with manufacturing then underway at Colts, US&S well into production by March and Rand's early struggles (damn civilians!) later overcome to record setting effect (50,000/Month for 4 consecutive months). Colt's also supplied Switch with parts until their fixtures and tooling came on line, the Women-Built pistols of WWII (9 of 10 workers at Swissvale were WOW's) receiving the only official War Department commendation. Engineering schematics were provided by Colts to Rand, they sent parts to Switch and Ithaca, it was Total War. Also rare were the new replacement slides already finished and stored at Ithaca ordered used on new Ithaca pistol production to accelerate deliveries. No one else did that but Ithaca. Can post a photo of a mint Double Logo Ithaca if you like. ETA recall a rarity having shipping records on that one, from a case of 50 in September 1943. Arsenal Bombs are a favorite, a relatively low total of the 2.3 million or so WWII service pistols had them, Ithaca shared the feature with Colts early production. You're fortunate to document this much with an Ithaca. Here are Rockwell Hardness strikes on the 29th Switch John Holbrook's once owned. There's typically no mistaking these marks as accidents. You're right, I've see you post that triple Rockwell photo before so this one on my 856682 in a similar location was very obvious: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/166952/Rockwell-2498655.jpg A double Ithaca is on my "want" list! Quoted: Some of your photos seem more color correct than others, True Temperature lighting deserved for your historically important pistol. Factory workers were still getting used to equipment and processes in all early production, blunted hammers, unfinished finger cut machining, scarred minor parts and more observed on examples from each of the 4 prime contractors. Would be on the lookout for those variables that might seem innocent at first glance. Of the 4 major companies, prime examples reveal no two park processes are the same color. Blue black to for us is more interesting than matte gray. In your internal photo of the bomb by the disconnector it sure has a blue hue to it, might just be lighting. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JnKJKrF/0/d5abe67a/O/i-JnKJKrF.jpg Yes! That photo was taken outside with indirect light and there is a blue/black sheen to the interior of both the frame and slide, much like the barrel but the finish is not as polished. Most of the other photos were taken indoors. Quoted: Differing minor parts color (always darker) is common, some early pistols for at least two companies were more uniform. We would benefit from great photos of this (or any) pistol as you have observed overall wear/internal firing signature are limited. All bets are off with early builds but other than those, fixture indexing marks are not common; failure to complete surface machining steps was very common since over 600 machining operations, 239 fixtures and 447 different gauges were used on each pistol. Fun Fact: 1 receiver fixture remains at Colts that has been in use since 1911, every 1911 receiver ever made for any market has gone through that fixture. Would love to see the striking finish difference of Shipment 8 - Crate 41 and this later 184xxxx Have you taken any new photos yet? https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ktLgCGR/0/913046bf/O/i-ktLgCGR.jpg ETA: comment above on Double Logo Ithaca - shipped 24 September, 1943 in a case of 50 not this Ithaca Bring it on over, we can take a side-by-side photo! I plan on taking detailed shots of all the small parts, as well as some nice natural indirect light of the whole pistol with the hopes that the camera will have the correct color balance. The photos in the original post were to show the general lack of wear - it's a shame this was stored in a holster for so long, but at least it is now being properly cared for. Early s/n's? Stop! My sides!! Looks 'fake' compared to the rest of production, like this fake Switch number! Klekturs will come out of the woodwork over time as word get out, or you post it on the bigger A1 sites. Treat yourself to those low cost True Temp lights for pics. There he is again, our buddy, Assembler 2 and Like Colts Assembler 63, they seem familiar, found those numbers on countless sidearms across the country for many decades. 32 away... imagine, same crate when the stars align. He will be a helluva photo resource. We reunited a pair of consecutive 1918's that spent 1,202 months apart, it CAN BE DONE! They had no business being original/same condition, but were. Here is that 'youngster'. Might be Charles' book stated some 6500 new production pistols were made with new Replacement Slides repurposed to the Line, this one perhaps the highest condition known. There has never been a screwdriver touch most of this one, no slide or grip safety abrasions from cocking/squeezing/holding. Another example of middle-period Ithaca finish that had 21 rounds at proof testing making the single finish abrasion at the dust cover. Not the slightest abrasion on grip safety, thumb safety or trigger. Coincidental fitment determines individual wear rates, some metal points are scratched with 1 round, others defy round count guess. Reduced light test here for minor parts contrast. This is key in deducing parts changes. A minor part on any pistol may have been changed 14 months after built, still during the War, with a part from the same crate, year, company or era. Learning to tell the difference begins with Gold Standard examples continuing right down to the 30% relics. We have a legendary RemIthaca A1 that's been more fun than most could imagine. It doesn't have to be 'pretty' to be instructive. Many thanks for the great photos, a rare treat for a very little discussed era of Ithaca production, 'little' since almost no one has them. More data on the way. |
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Quoted: My 1943 Ithaca is one of my most prized possessions. Shipped to the US Naval Supply Depot in Oakland, CA. Re-arsenalled almost four decades later in 2/81, at USMC Logistics Base, Albany Georgia. https://i.imgur.com/je5Fg5a.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/W9jSdgm.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/AZlv6qA.jpeg View Quote Absolutely delish! More Rockwell Hardness punch marks! Rare in themselves! Look at the feathering at rear of trigger guard, a characteristic repeated often at that time, each one "handmade", many men and women handled them, no two are exactly alike. Machining signatures abound throughout the production cycle at every company. Here on 4 different US&S ranging from incomplete MSH machining to a unique scarred hammer to a rare finger cut, its round-the-clock production after all. Based on many thousands of reviewed photos and many too in person, trigger guard feathering marks are rarely found on Colt, but Switch, Ithaca and Rand have 'em. |
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Quoted: Absolutely delish! More Rockwell Hardness punch marks! Rare in themselves! Look at the feathering at rear of trigger guard, a characteristic repeated often at that time, each one "handmade", many men and women handled them, no two are exactly alike. Machining signatures abound throughout the production cycle at every company. Here on 4 different US&S ranging from incomplete MSH machining to a unique scarred hammer to a rare finger cut, its round-the-clock production after all. Based on many thousands of reviewed photos and many too in person, trigger guard feathering marks are rarely found on Colt, but Switch, Ithaca and Rand have 'em. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Hm3cJMQ/0/e2ddb0b1/O/i-Hm3cJMQ.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GbQbJzW/0/058b1989/X2/i-GbQbJzW-X2.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wZwMgGB/0/cff3ef26/X2/i-wZwMgGB-X2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3gTg3nv/0/34422784/X2/i-3gTg3nv-X2.jpg View Quote Very impressive photos. I guess it's war time and that hammer got through inspection because the pistol go BAM! without issue. |
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Quoted: Very impressive photos. I guess it's war time and that hammer got through inspection because the pistol go BAM! without issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Absolutely delish! More Rockwell Hardness punch marks! Rare in themselves! Look at the feathering at rear of trigger guard, a characteristic repeated often at that time, each one "handmade", many men and women handled them, no two are exactly alike. Machining signatures abound throughout the production cycle at every company. Here on 4 different US&S ranging from incomplete MSH machining to a unique scarred hammer to a rare finger cut, its round-the-clock production after all. Based on many thousands of reviewed photos and many too in person, trigger guard feathering marks are rarely found on Colt, but Switch, Ithaca and Rand have 'em. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Hm3cJMQ/0/e2ddb0b1/O/i-Hm3cJMQ.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GbQbJzW/0/058b1989/X2/i-GbQbJzW-X2.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wZwMgGB/0/cff3ef26/X2/i-wZwMgGB-X2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3gTg3nv/0/34422784/X2/i-3gTg3nv-X2.jpg Very impressive photos. I guess it's war time and that hammer got through inspection because the pistol go BAM! without issue. Ever higher on the Irony Meter, Union Switch was the only company to never suffer a malfunction during proof testing... its them 90%-of-workers-are-women thing at Swissvale. |
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Quoted: Very impressive photos. I guess it's war time and that hammer got through inspection because the pistol go BAM! without issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Absolutely delish! More Rockwell Hardness punch marks! Rare in themselves! Look at the feathering at rear of trigger guard, a characteristic repeated often at that time, each one "handmade", many men and women handled them, no two are exactly alike. Machining signatures abound throughout the production cycle at every company. Here on 4 different US&S ranging from incomplete MSH machining to a unique scarred hammer to a rare finger cut, its round-the-clock production after all. Based on many thousands of reviewed photos and many too in person, trigger guard feathering marks are rarely found on Colt, but Switch, Ithaca and Rand have 'em. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Hm3cJMQ/0/e2ddb0b1/O/i-Hm3cJMQ.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GbQbJzW/0/058b1989/X2/i-GbQbJzW-X2.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wZwMgGB/0/cff3ef26/X2/i-wZwMgGB-X2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3gTg3nv/0/34422784/X2/i-3gTg3nv-X2.jpg Very impressive photos. I guess it's war time and that hammer got through inspection because the pistol go BAM! without issue. FDOP blunted hammer "Hey, gimme chance ta get used to this machine will ya?" |
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[#23]
Quoted: Klekturs will come out of the woodwork over time as word get out, or you post it on the bigger A1 sites. Treat yourself to those low cost True Temp lights for pics. ..... Many thanks for the great photos, a rare treat for a very little discussed era of Ithaca production, 'little' since almost no one has them. More data on the way. View Quote I've got 9 of those lights, evidently I just can't figure out how to use them or the camera properly when it comes to photographing pistols I think I need to incorporate a non-white backdrop, I use the photo booth for items I sell online for work. Two in the same case would be ideal, consecutive would be icing on the cake! |
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[#24]
Quoted: My 1943 Ithaca is one of my most prized possessions. Shipped to the US Naval Supply Depot in Oakland, CA. Re-arsenalled almost four decades later in 2/81, at USMC Logistics Base, Albany Georgia. https://i.imgur.com/je5Fg5a.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/W9jSdgm.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/AZlv6qA.jpeg View Quote Beautiful! |
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