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Posted: 12/5/2018 1:13:12 PM EDT
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Sights you like, light, good holster, good belt, and red dot if you can afford it!
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Posted: 12/5/2018 2:08:19 PM EDT
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle.
Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. 
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Posted: 12/5/2018 3:04:41 PM EDT
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle. Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 5:28:46 PM EDT
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle. Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. What OP is looking into is not unreasonable to move to a modern higher capacity sidearm with the ability to attach a light. I commend him for wanting to upgrade his capacity and effectiveness. Many times you will find yourself in the dark even in the day time. Under passes, parking garages, houses, movie theaters, and list goes on. The ability to have both hands on a weapon and have a light is invaluable and the ability to have one hands free to hold loved ones hand/carry child/drag a buddy, have a weapon with a light, and be able to still fire a weapon with light tops any wet dream fantasy you will be fighting your way to your rifle. In the real world defensive shoots are to fast to fight back to your rifle and if you have any sense if a shoot out is occurring you will be leaving instead of going back in with a rifle so the cops can plug you because they think you are the bad guy or another CCW'er plugs you thinking you are the bad guy. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 5:42:50 PM EDT
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle. Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 5:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: damn, that is compelling. My thought was that I don't have a light on it, and no real way to mount one. After reading a few of those recent defense story threads I started thinking that more lights and more bullets may be a worthwhile thing to consider. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 6:25:02 PM EDT
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Why are you worrying about cost of a suppressor in the middle of zombie apocalypse? Get the threaded barrel and keep a solvent trap in your cleaning kit. When the dead start reanimating, poke some holes in it with a drill press. Laws be damned. Somebody's gotta kill the undead.
Big ole suppressor also helps shootability, too. 45acp kicks like a 22lr with a big ole can dangling off the front. Ideally, my bugout handgun is a littly SMG-style "pistol". Scorpion or AR or something. If thats against the thread rules, biggest 45acp gun you can get, light, rmr, tall night sights, threaded, suppressor, extended mags. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 6:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now back to the real world. You find yourself in the middle of a mall and the lead starts flying. You are not fighting your way to your rifle you are fighting your way to GTFO and get to your vehicle to exit the situation with your loved ones. What OP is looking into is not unreasonable to move to a modern higher capacity sidearm with the ability to attach a light. I commend him for wanting to upgrade his capacity and effectiveness. Many times you will find yourself in the dark even in the day time. Under passes, parking garages, houses, movie theaters, and list goes on. The ability to have both hands on a weapon and have a light is invaluable and the ability to have one hands free to hold loved ones hand/carry child/drag a buddy, have a weapon with a light, and be able to still fire a weapon with light tops any wet dream fantasy you will be fighting your way to your rifle. In the real world defensive shoots are to fast to fight back to your rifle and if you have any sense if a shoot out is occurring you will be leaving instead of going back in with a rifle so the cops can plug you because they think you are the bad guy or another CCW'er plugs you thinking you are the bad guy. Buuuut ain't it fun coming up with excuses to build another gun haha Sounds like to OP needs a Roland special, I don't indulge in those, or AR's buried with accessories but the Rolands are neat just the same I would have said a nice commander length 1911 with a light and and maybe a red dot. Second choice a compact M&P Roland special, maybe even the new shorter one, was it 3.75"? But since the OP now has a 5" M&P, ( I have the same) it's gonna either look like a duty gun or a gamer gun. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 6:45:25 PM EDT
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because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. If a pistol is what you have when a fight starts the only thing you should be fighting your way toward is winning. I do agree with rocking on with the Baer. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 7:25:30 PM EDT
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Quality holster, light, mag extensions and ammo are all in order. Personally, not a fan of rmr’s but that’s just me. I’d use that allocation for training. While I’m sure most of us don’t look for trouble and lead a low threat lifestyle, 9/10 it’s not up to us when a threat comes knocking.
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Posted: 12/5/2018 8:28:50 PM EDT
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This is not something I plan on concealing. I have stuff for that, per the OP. I even realized the error of my ways recently and added a few lights to the pistol equation. The idea here is a non-concealed, almost all bets are off pistol that can be brought to bare with good effect. I do anticipate having a rifle near by, but this could also be my HD pistol once it proves to be accurate and reliable.
I was doing some drills with it and I already think the size/sight radius will help in it's shootability. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 9:08:37 PM EDT
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Lots and lots of 10 round 1911 mags.
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Posted: 12/6/2018 9:44:47 AM EDT
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This is not something I plan on concealing. I have stuff for that, per the OP. I even realized the error of my ways recently and added a few lights to the pistol equation. The idea here is a non-concealed, almost all bets are off pistol that can be brought to bare with good effect. I do anticipate having a rifle near by, but this could also be my HD pistol once it proves to be accurate and reliable. I was doing some drills with it and I already think the size/sight radius will help in it's shootability. |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 4:38:08 PM EDT
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I'm legit surprised by the results of this. the answer is always Glock 19/9mm on this forum, and here I have a bunch of people telling me to stick with a single stack 45 1911. I am genuinely surprised.
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Posted: 12/6/2018 4:59:13 PM EDT
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I'm legit surprised by the results of this. the answer is always Glock 19/9mm on this forum, and here I have a bunch of people telling me to stick with a single stack 45 1911. I am genuinely surprised. |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 9:50:28 PM EDT
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just a comment.. I shot a .45 1911 single stack and Para for about 25 years in USPSA (estimated 250,000 rounds on 4 pistols)....during that time I broke:
2 finger bushings before going to a solid one 1 solid bushing 1 barrel split from chamber to 3/8" from the muzzle 2 slide stops 1 firing pin stop 1 extractor 4 fitted barrel links after the last link (2005 Ft Benning 3 gun match) I switched to a Glock platform.... since then zero breakage I'd suggest... stay with the polymer frame 9mm... a set of figure 8 tritium sight ( I find it hard to distinguish front from rear 3 dot sights at night) good weapon light, and good hand held light (Malkoff module in a P6 body) and practice with it to make sure the polymer frame is not affected by the light.. if it is go with the hand held stay with factory magazines, without extended pad unless you need one for hand purchase (I use a Pearce +1 for my G43) carry at least one spare mag with the light on off side kydex pouch |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 9:57:15 PM EDT
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I'm legit surprised by the results of this. the answer is always Glock 19/9mm on this forum, and here I have a bunch of people telling me to stick with a single stack 45 1911. I am genuinely surprised. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 8:27:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t get it, did you not say you backed into an M&P 5”? I would employ your plan or whatever other folks have recommended to that pistol. Separate yourself from gd for a moment and absorb some meaningful info in this thread. A 5” 17+1 striker fired pistol is a rock solid foundation for whatever aspirations you might have. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 8:33:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Schroderson the answer on this forum always seems to be Glock 19 and 9mm>45, but maybe that's because I spend too much time in GD? I figured more posters would have suggestions on what to do/add to my M&P instead of telling me to stick with a single stack. I'm content to just add a light and a holster to the M&P and keep it as a truck gun or something or I could always try and sell it off to help pay for a railed 1911. that's something I don't have at the moment... You will also have a harder time finding a holster, and it will be more uncomfortable to carry with the essentially longer barrel. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 11:35:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Schroderson the answer on this forum always seems to be Glock 19 and 9mm>45, but maybe that's because I spend too much time in GD? I figured more posters would have suggestions on what to do/add to my M&P instead of telling me to stick with a single stack. I'm content to just add a light and a holster to the M&P and keep it as a truck gun or something or I could always try and sell it off to help pay for a railed 1911. that's something I don't have at the moment... |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 11:42:17 AM EDT
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Was a high end 1911 guy, even when Tupperware pistols came out. Finally got a G-21 and tried to kill it. Decades later Imstill like Glock, but M&P fit well. I carry a 9 Pro daily. Always full-size for me. More rounds are better.
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Posted: 12/7/2018 1:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Schroderson the answer on this forum always seems to be Glock 19 and 9mm>45, but maybe that's because I spend too much time in GD? I figured more posters would have suggestions on what to do/add to my M&P instead of telling me to stick with a single stack. I'm content to just add a light and a holster to the M&P and keep it as a truck gun or something or I could always try and sell it off to help pay for a railed 1911. that's something I don't have at the moment... |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 2:39:43 PM EDT
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Now back to the real world. You find yourself in the middle of a mall and the lead starts flying. You are not fighting your way to your rifle you are fighting your way to GTFO and get to your vehicle to exit the situation with your loved ones. What OP is looking into is not unreasonable to move to a modern higher capacity sidearm with the ability to attach a light. I commend him for wanting to upgrade his capacity and effectiveness. Many times you will find yourself in the dark even in the day time. Under passes, parking garages, houses, movie theaters, and list goes on. The ability to have both hands on a weapon and have a light is invaluable and the ability to have one hands free to hold loved ones hand/carry child/drag a buddy, have a weapon with a light, and be able to still fire a weapon with light tops any wet dream fantasy you will be fighting your way to your rifle. In the real world defensive shoots are to fast to fight back to your rifle and if you have any sense if a shoot out is occurring you will be leaving instead of going back in with a rifle so the cops can plug you because they think you are the bad guy or another CCW'er plugs you thinking you are the bad guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle. Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. What OP is looking into is not unreasonable to move to a modern higher capacity sidearm with the ability to attach a light. I commend him for wanting to upgrade his capacity and effectiveness. Many times you will find yourself in the dark even in the day time. Under passes, parking garages, houses, movie theaters, and list goes on. The ability to have both hands on a weapon and have a light is invaluable and the ability to have one hands free to hold loved ones hand/carry child/drag a buddy, have a weapon with a light, and be able to still fire a weapon with light tops any wet dream fantasy you will be fighting your way to your rifle. In the real world defensive shoots are to fast to fight back to your rifle and if you have any sense if a shoot out is occurring you will be leaving instead of going back in with a rifle so the cops can plug you because they think you are the bad guy or another CCW'er plugs you thinking you are the bad guy. --> The OP's question has to do with bug out, zombie, obviously a civil breakdown scenario, <-- not your bad day at the mall "wet dream fantasy". Nobody goes to a movie theater during civil unrest or a disaster, so put your "wet dream fantasies" to rest, and focus on the question. If you don't like the given parameters of the OP's question, or can't answer the question without attacking others advice, just skip the discussion. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 3:07:05 PM EDT
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You are projecting your so-called "back to the real world" so you could gainsay my advice and avoid properly answering the OP's question. --> The OP's question has to do with bug out, zombie, obviously a civil breakdown scenario, <-- not your bad day at the mall "wet dream fantasy". Nobody goes to a movie theater during civil unrest or a disaster, so put your "wet dream fantasies" to rest, and focus on the question. If you don't like the given parameters of the OP's question, or can't answer the question without attacking others advice, just skip the discussion. I live in the real world now and here in America we are really safe. It is not Fallujah! Read my later comments I have addressed the OPs questions several times. Zombie apocalypse is just a fantasy, red dawn is probably an even more far fetched fantasy of Z-day, and disasters are the most likely even then we are still pretty safe. More Americans are good than bad and we look out for each other contrary to the MSM. If civil unrest does happen OP should focus on body armor, ammo, mags for rifle and not pistol if you resort to your pistol in that scenario you are probably in a shit situation. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 7:39:18 PM EDT
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you might consider adding a trauma + additional ammunition bag (first responder bag?)... I use a small sling bag with limited trauma supplies in one pouch and in a more open side, an additional 30 round AR mag, extra G17 mag, extra G43 mag and SufreFire 6P that has been upgraded with a Malkoff bulb module
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Posted: 12/7/2018 9:04:33 PM EDT
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you might consider adding a trauma + additional ammunition bag (first responder bag?)... I use a small sling bag with limited trauma supplies in one pouch and in a more open side, an additional 30 round AR mag, extra G17 mag, extra G43 mag and SufreFire 6P that has been upgraded with a Malkoff bulb module |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 9:31:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: damn, that is compelling. My thought was that I don't have a light on it, and no real way to mount one. After reading a few of those recent defense story threads I started thinking that more lights and more bullets may be a worthwhile thing to consider. OP, if it is not good enough for self defense in some situations then what makes it adequate for every day carry? I don’t really care what you carry but beware the trap of “training” with a Surefire equipped full size pistol in an OWB holster and then carrying a totally different pistol for everyday carry. In my, probably unpopular, opinion you should pick one pistol and stick with it. Go shoot IDPA with your Shield if that’s what you choose. You’re set on a 1911? That’s fine, USPSA has Single Stack. The 2.0 Compact would be fine in USPSA production. Pick a gun you feel comfortable using to defend yourself and go shoot. While a full size pistol would always be preferable I promise you that hours on the range will make more difference than an inch of sight radius or a few more rounds of 9mm in your mag. IMO a light is required, the little TLRs would be a little better than nothing but I really like the Surefire X300U. Also, G19 FTW. 
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Posted: 12/7/2018 11:28:22 PM EDT
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I've posted this before, but here goes... my first "tactical" 3 gun match was Kyle Lamb's North Carolina match in 1995... one of the guys on the squad was a deputy from Tennessee.. he shot the entire match with his duty rig... Glock in a retention holster, 870 with sling, and AR with sling... he loaded out of a home made "first responder" bag made from a Blackhawk shot shell pouch to which he had sewn a double AR mag pouch and a double pistol mag pouch...l his long gun reloads were from the bag, carried over his shoulder with a strap that held a Blackhawk medic pouch (didn't see the contents).... but what caught my attention were his lights... Surefires on all of them, when they were pretty much the only game in town, and pretty expensive...when asked about the lights, he commented "when the sun goes down, it gets pretty dark in the holler" I invited him to move to Florida, as we could use someone like him at the local SO...
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Posted: 12/8/2018 7:27:40 AM EDT
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you might consider adding a trauma + additional ammunition bag (first responder bag?)... I use a small sling bag with limited trauma supplies in one pouch and in a more open side, an additional 30 round AR mag, extra G17 mag, extra G43 mag and SufreFire 6P that has been upgraded with a Malkoff bulb module |
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Posted: 12/8/2018 7:30:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We also got along with sticks and rocks as defensive tools for a long time. OP, if it is not good enough for self defense in some situations then what makes it adequate for every day carry? I don’t really care what you carry but beware the trap of “training” with a Surefire equipped full size pistol in an OWB holster and then carrying a totally different pistol for everyday carry. In my, probably unpopular, opinion you should pick one pistol and stick with it. Go shoot IDPA with your Shield if that’s what you choose. You’re set on a 1911? That’s fine, USPSA has Single Stack. The 2.0 Compact would be fine in USPSA production. Pick a gun you feel comfortable using to defend yourself and go shoot. While a full size pistol would always be preferable I promise you that hours on the range will make more difference than an inch of sight radius or a few more rounds of 9mm in your mag. IMO a light is required, the little TLRs would be a little better than nothing but I really like the Surefire X300U. Also, G19 FTW.
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Posted: 12/8/2018 9:12:16 AM EDT
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In on the fun.
Did you get the M&P yet? My normal edc is a Springfield loaded. My normal competition, woods gun, classes, etc in a MC Operator with surefire x300u. Both have the same sights mag release, trigger, etc. I don't mind using a handheld light for EDC but a wml is more efficient. 10rd mags of gold dots or hsts in a tyr tactical belt and safariland ALS holster.  Attached File Attached FileBut I can still carry it aiwb with either a light or sans.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/8/2018 5:58:24 PM EDT
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In on the fun. Did you get the M&P yet? My normal edc is a Springfield loaded. My normal competition, woods gun, classes, etc in a MC Operator with surefire x300u. Both have the same sights mag release, trigger, etc. I don't mind using a handheld light for EDC but a wml is more efficient. 10rd mags of gold dots or hsts in a tyr tactical belt and safariland ALS holster. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/Resized_20180714_180218_jpg-764877.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0824_JPG-764878.JPG But I can still carry it aiwb with either a light or sans. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20181012_204214_jpg-764879.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0830_JPG-764880.JPG I did get the M&P but it was too good of a deal to pass up. Worst case is I can rip the Apex and sights out of it and put them in my 2.0c, and still probably keep the big full size. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 12:36:13 AM EDT
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If you google “Katrina pistol” You’ll see a couple of articles on shtfblog of a pretty good build. I’ve got something very close to the Katrina pistol that’s my primary. I went without the Reddot however and instead a light with a laser - Stream light tlr8.
personally think the pistol is the more important tool for shtf. At least where I live it is -semi suburban/rural A rifle just isn’t going to be carried outside of the immediate vicinity of a house or vehicle |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 7:02:01 AM EDT
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@03RN I'm surprised you didn't figure out a way to EDC that shockwave yet, I always see your posts on it! I edc a shield or Baer, but I dont' have any 1911s with a rail yet. I did get the M&P but it was too good of a deal to pass up. Worst case is I can rip the Apex and sights out of it and put them in my 2.0c, and still probably keep the big full size. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In on the fun. Did you get the M&P yet? My normal edc is a Springfield loaded. My normal competition, woods gun, classes, etc in a MC Operator with surefire x300u. Both have the same sights mag release, trigger, etc. I don't mind using a handheld light for EDC but a wml is more efficient. 10rd mags of gold dots or hsts in a tyr tactical belt and safariland ALS holster. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/Resized_20180714_180218_jpg-764877.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0824_JPG-764878.JPG But I can still carry it aiwb with either a light or sans. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20181012_204214_jpg-764879.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG0830_JPG-764880.JPG I did get the M&P but it was too good of a deal to pass up. Worst case is I can rip the Apex and sights out of it and put them in my 2.0c, and still probably keep the big full size. The shockwave has it's place. In my pants isn't one of them and that leather shoulder holster thing is a bit rich for my blood. It stays in a SAW barrel bag. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 8:15:58 PM EDT
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We got along with out weapon lights a long time |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 10:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We also got along with stick and stones for a while. Things change. |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 8:00:39 AM EDT
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any feedback on the Olight PL2? I see they are going on sale here shortly and since I've had great luck with their smaller lights I figured I would give it a try.
Taking the M&P out to the range tomorrow to actually shoot it. It's been a few years since I have shot a 5" version as I've been more focused on 1911 training but hoping live fire sorts it out. Also listed it for trade towards a railed 1911 so I can go that direction instead, because while I lack gun money and time I don't lack design ideas for guns I want to build 
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Posted: 12/13/2018 8:13:45 AM EDT
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The Roland Special has been fairly well worked out. I am not saying you need to go with a GLOCK 19, but you may want to read through this thread to see how the various modifications work together. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Official-Roland-Special-Glock-Thread-Also-faux-land-Fo-land-Carry-Comps/13-167712/
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Posted: 12/13/2018 10:44:45 AM EDT
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any feedback on the Olight PL2? I see they are going on sale here shortly and since I've had great luck with their smaller lights I figured I would give it a try. Taking the M&P out to the range tomorrow to actually shoot it. It's been a few years since I have shot a 5" version as I've been more focused on 1911 training but hoping live fire sorts it out. Also listed it for trade towards a railed 1911 so I can go that direction instead, because while I lack gun money and time I don't lack design ideas for guns I want to build |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 9:20:24 PM EDT
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Now back to the real world. You find yourself in the middle of a mall and the lead starts flying. You are not fighting your way to your rifle you are fighting your way to GTFO and get to your vehicle to exit the situation with your loved ones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle. Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. What OP is looking into is not unreasonable to move to a modern higher capacity sidearm with the ability to attach a light.. I commend him for wanting to upgrade his capacity and effectiveness. Many times you will find yourself in the dark even in the day time. Under passes, parking garages, houses, movie theaters, and list goes on. The ability to have both hands on a weapon and have a light is invaluable and the ability to have one hands free to hold loved ones hand/carry child/drag a buddy, have a weapon with a light, and be able to still fire a weapon with light tops any wet dream fantasy[.] Enough to make Mad Max drool .... |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:43:46 AM EDT
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Clearly. Sounds like the ideal 'battle belt/bug out/zombie pistol' is a 15+1 Gen4 Glock 19, with Inforce APL attached, and at least FIVE 15-rd mags in high-speed pouches on your belt.. Enough to make Mad Max drool .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have all the gun you need with the Les Baer 1911 .45. Seriously! Everything else you mentioned is unnecessary, because my dear man, you forgot that the purpose of your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. Everything that is done to overload handguns with accessories or copious magazines is being added to a platform that never performs as well as the rifle, either carbine or battle rifle. Keep your .45 well maintained, and chambered with one of the top 5 self-defense loads. And if it ever gets to the point that you are putting it on your hip, and grabbing a BOB, then it's bad enough you need your favorite rifle also. What OP is looking into is not unreasonable to move to a modern higher capacity sidearm with the ability to attach a light.. I commend him for wanting to upgrade his capacity and effectiveness. Many times you will find yourself in the dark even in the day time. Under passes, parking garages, houses, movie theaters, and list goes on. The ability to have both hands on a weapon and have a light is invaluable and the ability to have one hands free to hold loved ones hand/carry child/drag a buddy, have a weapon with a light, and be able to still fire a weapon with light tops any wet dream fantasy[.] Enough to make Mad Max drool .... |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 11:02:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t be silly. There’s no reason to use G19 mags as reloads, G17 mags will work in any 9mm Glock and hold two more rounds. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 2:59:50 PM EDT
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You do not be silly.... G19x extended G17 mags, 24rd, or 33rd mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Don’t be silly. There’s no reason to use G19 mags as reloads, G17 mags will work in any 9mm Glock and hold two more rounds. 
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Posted: 12/14/2018 3:06:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not for EDC but my wife has an adjustable specter chest rig that fits 6 33rd mags |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 7:38:40 PM EDT
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got the chance to shoot it today, and while it ran well and shot to point of aim, it just didn't have any soul. Feels like a tool, but that may be a good thing. I have already ordered a threaded barrel so I can suppress it if I want to when the can gets here.
Thinking I may get some extended mags, a light, and a magwell. It is reassuring putting a half box of ammo in a single mag, so there's that. I feel like the magwell would help me get a solid grip. IDK, still have tempted to sell it and stick with what i already own. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 2:11:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. This is reality. Buuuut ain't it fun coming up with excuses to build another gun haha Sounds like to OP needs a Roland special, I don't indulge in those, or AR's buried with accessories but the Rolands are neat just the same I would have said a nice commander length 1911 with a light and and maybe a red dot. Second choice a compact M&P Roland special, maybe even the new shorter one, was it 3.75"? But since the OP now has a 5" M&P, ( I have the same) it's gonna either look like a duty gun or a gamer gun. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 2:25:17 PM EDT
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We got along with out weapon lights a long time As far as the OP: High quality double stack 9mm, WML, good holster, med kit with TQ, multi-tool and call it a day. Add a MDRS of budget allows. Then? Train with your shit. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 2:27:31 PM EDT
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I'm legit surprised by the results of this. the answer is always Glock 19/9mm on this forum, and here I have a bunch of people telling me to stick with a single stack 45 1911. I am genuinely surprised. They fail with boring regularly in anything beyond relatively benign environments at moderate round counts. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 2:30:48 PM EDT
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just a comment.. I shot a .45 1911 single stack and Para for about 25 years in USPSA (estimated 250,000 rounds on 4 pistols)....during that time I broke: 2 finger bushings before going to a solid one 1 solid bushing 1 barrel split from chamber to 3/8" from the muzzle 2 slide stops 1 firing pin stop 1 extractor 4 fitted barrel links after the last link (2005 Ft Benning 3 gun match) I switched to a Glock platform.... since then zero breakage I'd suggest... stay with the polymer frame 9mm... a set of figure 8 tritium sight ( I find it hard to distinguish front from rear 3 dot sights at night) good weapon light, and good hand held light (Malkoff module in a P6 body) and practice with it to make sure the polymer frame is not affected by the light.. if it is go with the hand held stay with factory magazines, without extended pad unless you need one for hand purchase (I use a Pearce +1 for my G43) carry at least one spare mag with the light on off side kydex pouch |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 2:39:35 PM EDT
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We got along with out weapon lights a long time Times change and it’s sometims for the better. Like lights on a handgun. |
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