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I think the old MEU pistols are great lookin pistols but ya'll sure go to great lengths to build a sloppy gun.
I'd rather have a clone of a Springfield built one that they bought off the shelf. |
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Fight the good fight, finish the race, keep the faith.
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I do believe I just found my new wallpaper sir!
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Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
I do believe I just found my new wallpaper sir! View Quote Same here!!! Talked with Rob at Alchemy today. They are working on cutting down my .312 front sight and stamping the serial number on my parts this week then the pistol will be ready to refinish. I understand stamping the serial number on the undersides of the thumb safety and grip safety may be the "correct" way, but we decided to have it show. Its more fun that way. Also, reshaping my front sight to .225 from .312 may or may not have it shoot POA/POI with the new PWS rear sight. We may have to go lower on the front sight. Not a deal breaker for me either way, I want it to shoot like a match gun but have the old school parts. It'll be home soon enough and Im itchin to hit the range! |
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Someone say Clark Grip Safety and Kings 201a???
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=392950940 |
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Originally Posted By DGI:
Same here!!! Talked with Rob at Alchemy today. They are working on cutting down my .312 front sight and stamping the serial number on my parts this week then the pistol will be ready to refinish. I understand stamping the serial number on the undersides of the thumb safety and grip safety may be the "correct" way, but we decided to have it show. Its more fun that way. Also, reshaping my front sight to .225 from .312 may or may not have it shoot POA/POI with the new PWS rear sight. We may have to go lower on the front sight. Not a deal breaker for me either way, I want it to shoot like a match gun but have the old school parts. It'll be home soon enough and Im itchin to hit the range! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DGI:
Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
I do believe I just found my new wallpaper sir! Same here!!! Talked with Rob at Alchemy today. They are working on cutting down my .312 front sight and stamping the serial number on my parts this week then the pistol will be ready to refinish. I understand stamping the serial number on the undersides of the thumb safety and grip safety may be the "correct" way, but we decided to have it show. Its more fun that way. Also, reshaping my front sight to .225 from .312 may or may not have it shoot POA/POI with the new PWS rear sight. We may have to go lower on the front sight. Not a deal breaker for me either way, I want it to shoot like a match gun but have the old school parts. It'll be home soon enough and Im itchin to hit the range! The height of the front sight determines your POA/POI. When we build a match gun or a combat gun we collimate the sights to give a solid zero for the shooter to start with. The height for the front sight should be 010"-.020" lower than the rear sight. Whether you start at 225, 312, or 500 the height is cut down to the appropriate point relative to the rear sight. .225 front sights are actually a bit too short to make this requirement, which is why i like to start with a 312 and cut it down. Im not sure why your smith is telling you that a 312 may not shoot POA/POI, the start height doesnt matter. Just something to chew on. Hopefully I didnt pee in your cheerios. |
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That's a question better directed towards PWS2112. Maybe he will chime in here and describe the process PWS uses.
Originally Posted By chase45:
What finish is used on the barrel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By chase45:
Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
Here some more up close pics of an authentic M45 CQBP. The latest variant that was made at PWS . She is "Ready For Issue" Enjoy ! :) What finish is used on the barrel? |
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The height of the front sight determines your POA/POI. When we build a match gun or a combat gun we collimate the sights to give a solid zero for the shooter to start with. The height for the front sight should be 010"-.020" lower than the rear sight. Whether you start at 225, 312, or 500 the height is cut down to the appropriate point relative to the rear sight. .225 front sights are actually a bit too short to make this requirement, which is why i like to start with a 312 and cut it down. Im not sure why your smith is telling you that a 312 may not shoot POA/POI, the start height doesnt matter. Just something to chew on. Hopefully I didnt pee in your cheerios. View Quote No worries at all... I have faith that Rob will make it shoot straight. He just informed me that to make it shoot properly, id have to be open to the height being a different height than the "standard" .225 height. I told him to do what he must. I appreciate your feedback however... Keep it coming! |
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I made a post on page 51 about 1/4 of the way down talking about our different bluing processes. For barrels we use the stainless blackening proccess. The post gives more detail.
Ben Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
That's a question better directed towards PWS2112. Maybe he will chime in here and describe the process PWS uses. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
That's a question better directed towards PWS2112. Maybe he will chime in here and describe the process PWS uses. Originally Posted By chase45:
Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
Here some more up close pics of an authentic M45 CQBP. The latest variant that was made at PWS . She is "Ready For Issue" Enjoy ! :) What finish is used on the barrel? |
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Originally Posted By PWS2112:
I made a post on page 51 about 1/4 of the way down talking about our different bluing processes. For barrels we use the stainless blackening proccess. The post gives more detail. Ben View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PWS2112:
I made a post on page 51 about 1/4 of the way down talking about our different bluing processes. For barrels we use the stainless blackening proccess. The post gives more detail. Ben Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
That's a question better directed towards PWS2112. Maybe he will chime in here and describe the process PWS uses. Originally Posted By chase45:
Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
Here some more up close pics of an authentic M45 CQBP. The latest variant that was made at PWS . She is "Ready For Issue" Enjoy ! :) What finish is used on the barrel? Thanks buddy. Very interesting and I may have to read this thread all the way from the beginning instead of just popping in to look at pics |
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Something I did not see anywhere in the thread was a discussion of lanyard options for a correct build. Anyone have info on those? Thanks for some great info.
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Originally Posted By TennesseeRat:
Something I did not see anywhere in the thread was a discussion of lanyard options for a correct build. Anyone have info on those? Thanks for some great info. View Quote They use old surplus G.I. A1 mainspring housing that they mill down to flat and serrate. Huge PITA. |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
They use old surplus G.I. A1 mainspring housing that they mill down to flat and serrate. Huge PITA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By TennesseeRat:
Something I did not see anywhere in the thread was a discussion of lanyard options for a correct build. Anyone have info on those? Thanks for some great info. They use old surplus G.I. A1 mainspring housing that they mill down to flat and serrate. Huge PITA. They later use Capsian serrated mainspring housing with lanyard loop for M45 build. Call Caspian see if they still have some of those for sale. I bought 2 couple of years ago. It's not listed on their web store. Need to call and specify serrated MSH with landyard loop. |
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Does the Caspian have the relief cut under the lanyard loop?
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Mine does not.
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no mine ,but right now on ebay if you type in the words beavertail safety/ there are 2 clark beavertail safetys, also 1 millett serrated singlestake front sight and on the ee someone is selling a kings 201a ambi thumb safety in ss hope this helps someone with their meusoc build
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No relieve cut on Caspian MSH. FYI, my MEUSOC build use Colt MSH and Springfield added the lanyard loop with relieve cut on the bottom.
WOW! Over $200 for 201a. |
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Lookin' good!
Not sure if you ordered from Bar-Sto yet, but Midway has them in stock. You'd have it within a week rather than 16. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/168798/bar-sto-match-target-barrel-1911-government-45-acp-1-in-16-twist-5-stainless-steel?cm_vc=ProductFinding |
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Figures. I ordered a few days ago. That blows. Thanks though.
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Originally Posted By hobbs5624:
Figures. I ordered a few days ago. That blows. Thanks though. View Quote I have one that I won't be fitting for at least 17 weeks (got it in last Monday from Midway, hasn't been altered at all). If you pay for shipping, I'd send it to you, and you can send me yours when it comes in (or call Bar-sto, and just have Bar-sto ship straight to me.) |
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Who is Jake Ellis?
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I found that to be very interesting. All the ICQBs I saw at Pendleton had the Gunners, as well as Ed Brown grip safeties. Looks like this one has the Kimber grip safety. I wonder if that's one that made it back to the MEUs. Any ideas Ben?
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Originally Posted By hobbs5624:
I found that to be very interesting. All the ICQBs I saw at Pendleton had the Gunners, as well as Ed Brown grip safeties. Looks like this one has the Kimber grip safety. I wonder if that's one that made it back to the MEUs. Any ideas Ben? View Quote This is beyond my scope. I fall back on my standard answer: when the money is tight or gone, you use whatever you can to get the gun operational. That is the best I can do with this one. Ben |
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Black on black gives me a heart attack, and the silence makes it deadly.
Some choose to kill with simple will. I've seen them fall fast and steady. |
PWS2112, do you ever do any side work, or just for your buddies?
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Holy Shit Hobbs! That build is rockin!!! Looking good brother!
Im having Rob at Alchemy Custom perform my assembly. The pistol should be home by mid March sometime (maybe sooner) |
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Very cool! Let me know how the chemical strip works. Even though it's hard chrome, I've had good luck with Brownells room temp nickel stripper after leaving it overnight. Stuff is expensive though, so the other methods I e-mailed you about should be a better solution. I didn't have any chromed safeties, but I do have some stock stainless Colts if you need it. By the way, did you get that slide on eBay? If so, sorry but it was me that bid against you. I didn't know. I owe you a beer or three.
I look forward to your build. Ben, if you do the build, and you're not too busy, share some progress pics. |
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Originally Posted By DGI:
Holy Shit Hobbs! That build is rockin!!! Looking good brother! Im having Rob at Alchemy Custom perform my assembly. The pistol should be home by mid March sometime (maybe sooner) View Quote Cool. So are those progress pics from Rob? If so, that's what I call customer service, sharing progress pics. A lot of smiths are hesitant to do that because of how bad the gun can look before final cleanup and refinishing. Did you go with a stainless grip safety? On a side note, I hope someone here won the two grip safeties on eBay. I was so close to making an obscene bid on those, but I have some already. Hope they go to a MEU(SOC) build. |
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do they use paint marker or what ? on marking rack number on grips ?
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Awesome Jeff!
I'm sure your MEUSOC build will be perfect like your M45! |
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There has been talk here about the Ed Brown grip safety, it was used on the MUE(SOC) pistol from late 2003 until they changed the name to the M45. At the same time the slide was changed, front and rear sights, and the hammer, sear and disconnector.
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Shoe is an excellent source for Meusoc information. He teaches the new 2112's at PWS and has been there a long time :)
Originally Posted By shoe2111:
There has been talk here about the Ed Brown grip safety, it was used on the MUE(SOC) pistol from late 2003 until they changed the name to the M45. At the same time the slide was changed, front and rear sights, and the hammer, sear and disconnector. View Quote |
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now that is a dream collection!!!!!!!! will one of the new colts be joining the family down the road?
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Originally Posted By accurange:
now that is a dream collection!!!!!!!! will one of the new colts be joining the family down the road? View Quote Hard to say. Initially I wanted to build a "Variant 1", a "Variant 3", a "Variant 4", and have a Colt M45A1. I thought that would be a very nice collection, and I wasn't too interested in a "Variant 2" as there is next to no difference between it and the "Variant 1". Unfortunately, the price of building authentic clones is high. The cost of an M45A1 is currently far too high for what you get. I've completely lost the desire to put together the collection I initially intended to do. As a matter of fact, I have a good feeling I'll probably sell both my Variant 1 and my ICQB one of these days. I wanted to keep them for my young sons, and will probably wait until they are in their late teens, but if they don't join the Corps, I'll ditch the pistols. |
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Pachmayr American Legend Grips
http://www.marsoc.marines.mil/Photos.aspx?igphoto=28834 |
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Parabellum,
nice find... I wonder if shoe or PWS2112 can shed some light on that... my experience, at least in big army, they frown when you mod your gat. My M9 went back to reset in AFG with some aftermarket alumagrips on it, came back with the grips rubber banded in a baggy on the gun with a new set of army plastic ones on it with the serviceable tag on it and a note stating "unauthorized grips" I didn't see what the big deal was, but maybe the MEU and MARSOC guys can do what they want, a la American legend grips and Surefire MR07 Rails... and take them off when the gun goes to reset or inspection |
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I'm going to guess t that Ben or Shoe won't know anything about those grips other than they didn't leave PWS like that. What happens at the user end lever is out of their control. Although, they might be able to tell some stories of pistols that come back with weird parts on them.
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Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
I'm going to guess t that Ben or Shoe won't know anything about those grips other than they didn't leave PWS like that. What happens at the user end lever is out of their control. Although, they might be able to tell some stories of pistols that come back with weird parts on them. View Quote That would be fantastic! I was wondering if anybody knows where to find a pdf or hard copy of the Weapon Record Book that apparently was issued with these pistols along with the 7 magazines and shok buffs. The Technical manual for the MEU(SOC) references it, but I haven't been able to find one. Any help would be much appreciated! Tom |
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not mine but on ebay there is another clark beavertail safety listed ebay# 380844792391
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That beavertail looks pretty beat. Im sure a 'Smith can make use of it though.
Hobbs: Yes, Rob at Alchemy is supplying the pics. He is top notch. His facebook page has logs of most of the pistols he works on (at least the neat ones). Great looking 610R!!! i was looking for a 310R for the longest time. Stopped looking after I bought one for my Beretta and realized it was for a 92F not FS. Wasnt too crazy about the size of the light after playing with one. What kind of Kimber is that? Does it use a Dawson Rail? I was always a fan of the way they did their weak side ambi safeties on some of their models (that one included). Originally wanted a TLE RL but bought a TRP instead and have been on a Springfield kick ever since. Might have to try to get my hands on one to see how they compare. |
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Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
That would be fantastic! I was wondering if anybody knows where to find a pdf or hard copy of the Weapon Record Book that apparently was issued with these pistols along with the 7 magazines and shok buffs. The Technical manual for the MEU(SOC) references it, but I haven't been able to find one. Any help would be much appreciated! Tom View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
Originally Posted By lear60pilot:
I'm going to guess t that Ben or Shoe won't know anything about those grips other than they didn't leave PWS like that. What happens at the user end lever is out of their control. Although, they might be able to tell some stories of pistols that come back with weird parts on them. That would be fantastic! I was wondering if anybody knows where to find a pdf or hard copy of the Weapon Record Book that apparently was issued with these pistols along with the 7 magazines and shok buffs. The Technical manual for the MEU(SOC) references it, but I haven't been able to find one. Any help would be much appreciated! Tom I also have been unable to locate a copy of TM 00526A-10/1, or the Weapon Record Book. Any other MEUSOC clone junkies find them? |
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