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Posted: 4/22/2023 7:25:13 PM EDT
[#1]
I like my competitor.
The trigger is kind of crappy in my opinion. I'm spoiled by PRP triggers in my XDMs. Long, gritty take up but at least the break is clean and the reset is very positive. Did a 600 rd range session last Saturday. Still gritty so I'll probably polish it up some. Nobody makes an aftermarket yet. Sadly. 
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Posted: 4/22/2023 9:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like my competitor. The trigger is kind of crappy in my opinion. I'm spoiled by PRP Sltriggers in my XDMs. Long, gritty take up but at least the break is clean and the reset is very positive. Did a 600 rd range session last Saturday. Still gritty so I'll probably polish it up some. Nobody makes an aftermarket yet. Sadly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467079/20230331_120154-2764995.jpg Your competitor is awesome. I love how your SRO sits forward enough to cover the loaded chamber indicator, I hope that prevents the chamber debris from fogging up your optic. I find that my eps needs a quick wipe after about 100 rounds. Additionally I practice a lot of dry-fire with my guns so that may help smooth out my trigger a little, plus I’m a 4.5 to 5.5lbs combat trigger only shooter. No competition triggers for me. Thank you for your reply |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:07:08 PM EDT
[#3]
How does it shoot 115grs ? My 2.0 PC did not like them at all. They kept hitting my optic and dinging it went to 124s.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:08:52 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does it shoot 115grs ? My 2.0 PC did not like them at all. They kept hitting my optic and dinging it went to 124s. My competitor was perfectly fine with it. Not sure if you were asking me or OP. I shoot 115s almost exclusively. No optic strikes at all. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:21:25 PM EDT
[#5]
Still shooting and liking mine. Haven’t replaced my 2.0 with it for carry but once Apex puts out parts for it I may make the swap. Alex told me this week not to use any of the 2.0 parts in the Metal because they’re mostly different and they’re working towards a Metal parts kit. Custom fit barrel, trigger and enhanced fire control kit made a huge difference in my current 2.0.
 
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:30:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still shooting and liking mine. Haven’t replaced my 2.0 with it for carry but once Apex puts out parts for it I may make the swap. Alex told me this week not to use any of the 2.0 parts in the Metal because they’re mostly different and they’re working towards a Metal parts kit. Custom fit barrel, trigger and enhanced fire control kit made a huge difference in my current 2.0. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/215811/91205383-8D08-47AC-9F2C-D53A7F5C04D1-2528694.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/215811/BFFE2A4A-089A-479D-A775-B5C0000F9E65-2586781.jpg Yeah a friend of mine has a standard 2.0 with an Apex and I liked shooting his more than mine. Very nice trigger. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 10:44:18 PM EDT
[#7]
While I was waiting on my background check on a S&W 610 last weekend, I fondled a Competitor.
I have to say I think it was love at first sight. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 12:40:41 AM EDT
[#8]
I want a Competitor for my nightstand but nobody has it in stock locally. They won't special order due to the impeding ban.
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Posted: 4/23/2023 12:49:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a Competitor for my nightstand but nobody has it in stock locally. They won't special order due to the impeding ban. GunBroker? |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 1:06:47 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GunBroker? Might not come in on time and I'll be screwed. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 1:38:29 AM EDT
[#11]
@-Obsessed-
The trigger can be improved pretty easily with a little application of polish. On the sear safety plunger, polish the exposed surface On the trigger bar, take off the slight burr at the rear of the "dog head" looking section, polish the part that interfaces with the sear safety plunger. Polish the section on the outside that rubs against the ambi-side of the slide catch/release. You can polish the surfaces of the sear and the sear surface of the striker, but don't change the geometry between the two. All told, less than twenty minutes work will greatly improve the trigger. It will not change the reset and pretravel like the forward set Apex trigger does, but it's much, much better compared to factory. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 3:13:58 AM EDT
[#12]
I wish they had suppressor height sights for RDS use.
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Posted: 4/23/2023 4:21:18 AM EDT
[#13]
I'd trade 3 gen1 for one
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Posted: 4/23/2023 11:52:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a Competitor for my nightstand but nobody has it in stock locally. They won't special order due to the impeding ban. What does the ban have to do with ordering a handgun? You should be able to get it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 4:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does it shoot 115grs ? My 2.0 PC did not like them at all. They kept hitting my optic and dinging it went to 124s. My Metal shoots fine with 115FMJ, 147FMJ and 147 JHP HST. I haven’t noticed any of the brass hitting my EPS. Only issue I have is the optic fogging up around 100 rounds due to gas / debris coming from the loaded chamber indicator and ejection port. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 4:56:35 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GunBroker? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want a Competitor for my nightstand but nobody has it in stock locally. They won't special order due to the impeding ban. GunBroker? I bought my Metal on Gunbroker, got a good deal and it arrived in 3 days to my ffl. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 2:57:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does the ban have to do with ordering a handgun? You should be able to get it. Well apparently I'm retarded. I thought the assault rifle banned included any semi auto firearm with a threaded barrel. For some reason I thought the Competitor had a threaded barrel too. Not just ports. 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 3:05:42 PM EDT
[#18]
How is felt recoil on these compared to a regular plastic M&P?
I noticed that my steel frame CZ75 feels like it recoils more than my lighter weight M&P. I thought that the plastic frame might be the reason, which has made me hesitate buying an aluminum frame M&P. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 3:36:45 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like my competitor. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467079/20230331_120154-2764995.jpg That is a sharp looking pistol. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 4:44:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Do the standard M1.0 ans M2.0 mags work on the Competitor?
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Posted: 4/25/2023 5:33:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: How is felt recoil on these compared to a regular plastic M&P? I noticed that my steel frame CZ75 feels like it recoils more than my lighter weight M&P. I thought that the plastic frame might be the reason, which has made me hesitate buying an aluminum frame M&P. I didn't notice any appreciable difference shooting them back to back. Quoted: That is a sharp looking pistol. Thanks! Quoted: Do the standard M1.0 ans M2.0 mags work on the Competitor? Nope, mag well gets in the way. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 5:48:29 PM EDT
[#22]
+1 for the Competitor and I echo other comments, trigger is good, but needs improvement. I put 200rds through it last week, all 115s with no issues or impacts to the RDS. I just fit an Apex barrel for it and will see how it shoots vs the factory, as well as try the trigger polish Leelaw suggested.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 7:39:54 PM EDT
[#23]
I really like the competitor but I don’t like that it’s not ported. I went with the metal because I plan to add a comp from PMM or something similar. Additionally I’m leaning toward a carry magwell, I seen one online which is popular but I forget the name right this second.
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:06:23 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the standard M1.0 and M2.0 mags work on the Competitor? Yes, full size mags only, of course. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:31:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, full size mags only, of course. If you pull the mag well. I don't think they fit with the magwell in place so they? |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:07:03 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you pull the mag well. I don't think they fit with the magwell in place so they? Full-sized M&P mags do not fit the competitor with the magwell installed; they do fit with the magwell removed and competitor mags fit the full-sized M&P. There is a fractional difference in the cut and location that I hope I captured in the picture. Competitor mag on the left, full-sized M&P mag on the right.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 8:43:50 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Full-sized M&P mags do not fit the competitor with the magwell installed; they do fit with the magwell removed and competitor mags fit the full-sized M&P. There is a fractional difference in the cut and location that I hope I captured in the picture. Competitor mag on the left, full-sized M&P mag on the right. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_5656-2796247.jpg Awesome, that's what I thought but glad to have a confirmation. Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:41:47 AM EDT
[#28]
Yes, thanks for the correction/info on magazine compatibility, I must have forgotten about the mag well.
Anyway, I guess that's a reason I wouldn't buy one then. I can just move the slide from my SKU 11828 (Pro Series 5") to an SKU 13194 (M&P Metal) and have something close enough to the competitor with mag compatibility. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:44:07 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, thanks for the correction/info on magazine compatibility, I must have forgotten about the mag well. Anyway, I guess that's a reason I wouldn't buy one then. I can just move the slide from my SKU 11828 (Pro Series 5") to an SKU 13194 (M&P Metal) and have something close enough to the competitor with mag compatibility. You can also remove the magwell. It slides right off. But yeah, you're not missing anything else except for the extended mag release in that case. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:44:49 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, thanks for the correction/info on magazine compatibility, I must have forgotten about the mag well. Anyway, I guess that's a reason I wouldn't buy one then. I can just move the slide from my SKU 11828 (Pro Series 5") to an SKU 13194 (M&P Metal) and have something close enough to the competitor with mag compatibility. I have a CORE, but I've not tried the slide on the Competitor. I think the full-sized mags might work in the competitor if S&W would release the base plates. ETA - Just tried the CORE Pro Series slide on the Competitor with no issues. The full-size mags fit the Competitor but have a very slight gap at the front lip of the magwell. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:36:49 AM EDT
[#31]
I live in a state that now has a 10rd+ mag ban.
I have a handful of M1.0. Found localish selling his Competitor so seemed perfect if the mags fit. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 11:47:06 PM EDT
[#32]
I just picked up the competitor, really like it. Feels good in my hand, nicely accurate, and a good deal with the four included magazines. Might have to pick up the standard model as a companion piece.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 10:10:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Change basepads, easy fix, Taylor Freelance
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Posted: 7/16/2023 5:41:12 PM EDT
[#34]
Replaced the stock trigger with an Overwatch Precision TAC trigger system. I've only done dry fire, but It's less gritty and feels better.
The OP kit has a polished sear plunger and I believe the trigger bar is a skosh longer to better engage the sear cam earlier. 
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Posted: 7/16/2023 6:10:46 PM EDT
[#35]
LGS has one on consignment and it felt good in the hand. Taggage to see I need to be tempted into getting it.
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Posted: 7/17/2023 2:44:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Try the Holosun SCS on it. It's a match made in heaven.
No need to change the sights and easiest setup I've ever had to get on the dot quickly. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 2:28:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try the Holosun SCS on it. It's a match made in heaven. No need to change the sights and easiest setup I've ever had to get on the dot quickly. I really like the idea of the SCS models, I just can't get myself on board with the green reticle. It's already an extremely niche product (handgun model specific), why make it more niche with the smaller sales volume reticle color? |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 12:33:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like the idea of the SCS models, I just can't get myself on board with the green reticle. It's already an extremely niche product (handgun model specific), why make it more niche with the smaller sales volume reticle color? I wanted to try a green reticle. Bought a Viridian. Love the green. My eyes seem to pick it up faster than red. Wish more people offered it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 12:37:14 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like the idea of the SCS models, I just can't get myself on board with the green reticle. It's already an extremely niche product (handgun model specific), why make it more niche with the smaller sales volume reticle color? I prefer green anyway. The only red dots I own that are actually red are RMR's, and if Trijicon made them in green, they'd be green too. Time will tell how they do. I don't really see them as a niche product. They are made for the most mass produced optics ready guns made. I think provided they continue to hold up over the next few years, more and more people will adopt them. Right now most people just don't understand them and are afraid to try them. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 7:36:17 PM EDT
[#40]
I just got my Competitor yesterday been dry firing it out to range on Wednesday.
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Posted: 7/31/2023 10:24:52 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer green anyway. The only red dots I own that are actually red are RMR's, and if Trijicon made them in green, they'd be green too. Time will tell how they do. I don't really see them as a niche product. They are made for the most mass produced optics ready guns made. I think provided they continue to hold up over the next few years, more and more people will adopt them. Right now most people just don't understand them and are afraid to try them. I ended up getting one, my eyes absolutely do not focus the green very well. It's a smudge at best while all of my red dots are crystal clear. I looked through a pinhole aperture to make sure it wasn't an issue with the optic and the pinhole revealed a perfectly tight, focused green dot. It's just my eyes I guess. I'm going to keep it, but I'd have preferred if it was red. What I meant by niche is that each one is firearm specific (and specific SKU's of the specific firearm), so if I decided to sell an RMR, anyone could buy it for their pistol, rifle, piggyback on a scope, etc., but if I sell the SCS-MP2 it's extremely limited to who I can sell it to. You don't just need an M&P, you need an optics ready M&P 2.0, and nothing else will work. |
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