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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:17:08 AM EDT
She came in today. I got a Holosun 507C w/ ACSS Reticle going on. I’ll get her to the range hopefully Monday or Tuesday. Love the feel and balance…. Not a huge fan of the trigger so far…. Kinda gritty. I’ll reserve after a good oiling and some rounds down range.
 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:38:29 AM EDT
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That will be my next purchase. I have a glock 40 and have wanted a smaller carry gun in 10mm
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:43:27 AM EDT
[#2]
This might be my first 10mm
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:44:05 AM EDT
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That's probably my next purchase also.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:50:00 AM EDT
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LIKE
M&P trigger jobs are easy. how much did it cost ? 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:42:30 AM EDT
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Any plans for a single stack?
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Posted: 12/12/2021 3:17:28 PM EDT
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Congratulations. I’m waiting on one to show up somewhere just to confirm I like the 4 inch balance. Preferably with the safety.
Can you confirm this is the same size grip and frame as the 45. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Congratulations. I’m waiting on one to show up somewhere just to confirm I like the 4 inch balance. Preferably with the safety. Can you confirm this is the same size grip and frame as the 45. Mine is the same as my MP 45 2.0 |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:17:02 PM EDT
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guys,
what is the street price of these ? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:19:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's probably my next purchase also. Same, with green Holosun Vulcan 507c Waiting for the 4.6" though. Have a stack of 10mm left over |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:43:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: guys, what is the street price of these ? $699 at Grab a Gun. Only place I’ve seen them. Still higher than MSRP. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $699 at Grab a Gun. Only place I’ve seen them. Still higher than MSRP. Mine came from Georgia Gun Store. $619, which is MAP. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 12:40:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Mine came from Georgia Gun Store. $619, which is MAP. I would love to find one for that..!! |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 9:36:12 PM EDT
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Mine was $617.00 plus tax. I haven’t gotten to the range, maybe on Wednesday. I hope the trigger smooths out with some shooting. It’s not awful but way too gritty for my taste.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 11:05:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine was $617.00 plus tax. I haven’t gotten to the range, maybe on Wednesday. I hope the trigger smooths out with some shooting. It’s not awful but way too gritty for my taste. Polish the head of the striker block |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 11:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Polish the head of the striker block While that will help, when an M&P trigger is really gritty, it's usually due to debris or a bur left in the striker block hole. I'd suggest removing the plunger and seeing if there is a bur inside. |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 12:25:07 AM EDT
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My first MP here....you got a pic of what and where to look ?
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Posted: 12/14/2021 6:59:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first MP here....you got a pic of what and where to look ?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/14/2021 7:03:20 AM EDT
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I’d be all over it if S&W didn’t have such a horrible optic mounting system. It’s so damn high! Same with the new compact Springfield 10mm. What are these companies thinking?
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Posted: 12/14/2021 8:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGunsmith Dan Burwell published this PDF on doing an M&P trigger job. This is for the original 1.0 series, some parts have changed, but much of this still applies http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf APEX 2.0 is amazing also. 
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Posted: 12/15/2021 6:21:45 PM EDT
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The pistol shot great. The different back straps really make a difference and the smallest size tricks you into thinking it’s a 9mm. I will say the textures on the frame are definitely aggressive for my sensitive hands!!! ??
The CORE system works fine and the optic is easily mounted although I wish it set lower into the slide I really like the ACSS Vulcan reticle. Very nice for a defense pistol in my opinion. The irons sit in the bottom of the red dot and are easily used. Now the trigger is not great. I checked it and no burs but while it got better with some rounds it still isn’t great. Sounds like an APEX is in my future. This is still the Best 10mm I’ve owned. I like it a lot and sure with a trigger fix it will be great.   
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Posted: 12/15/2021 9:23:11 PM EDT
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Will the current APEX 2.0 triggers, they only list the 9mm, .40, and 45ACP, fit the new 10mm. I would assume 2.0s are all the same but ………
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Posted: 12/15/2021 11:10:48 PM EDT
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I got to play with the new 10mm yesterday at my local shop. They only had one gun that was a display only but the price tag is set at $625.
It felt really good in the hand. The trigger was much better that the old hinged trigger but was still just meh. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 2:45:45 PM EDT
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Are the mounting plates still polymer?
Will this work as a replacement? https://chpws.com/product/rmr-sro-holosun-507-adapter-plate-smith-wesson-core/ It's aluminum |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 4:01:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will the current APEX 2.0 triggers, they only list the 9mm, .40, and 45ACP, fit the new 10mm. I would assume 2.0s are all the same but ……… I'd Give it a few hundred rounds before dropping 150 on a new trigger. Yes, I know at today's ammo prices and all. If not, ail Apex and let us know. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 10:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd Give it a few hundred rounds before dropping 150 on a new trigger. Yes, I know at today's ammo prices and all. If not, ail Apex and let us know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will the current APEX 2.0 triggers, they only list the 9mm, .40, and 45ACP, fit the new 10mm. I would assume 2.0s are all the same but ……… I'd Give it a few hundred rounds before dropping 150 on a new trigger. Yes, I know at today's ammo prices and all. If not, ail Apex and let us know. No need to call Apex. Their trigger works with the M&P 10mm. This is the polymer forward set trigger. They are $100. After feeling this trigger, I doubt I will ever buy the aluminum version again.  Untitled by Adam C, on Flickr" />
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Posted: 12/16/2021 10:59:40 PM EDT
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My trigger breaks at 4.5 pounds. It’s a little gritty but improving with use.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:06:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No need to call Apex. Their trigger works with the M&P 10mm. This is the polymer forward set trigger. They are $100. After feeling this trigger, I doubt I will ever buy the aluminum version again. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51752688045_07d9eabde2_z.jpgUntitled by Adam C, on Flickr" target="_blank">https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51752688045_07d9eabde2_z.jpgUntitled by Adam C, on Flickr nice
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:08:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: nice Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No need to call Apex. Their trigger works with the M&P 10mm. This is the polymer forward set trigger. They are $100. After feeling this trigger, I doubt I will ever buy the aluminum version again. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51752688045_07d9eabde2_z.jpgUntitled by Adam C, on Flickr" target="_blank">https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51752688045_07d9eabde2_z.jpgUntitled by Adam C, on Flickr nice Nice indeed. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:38:18 PM EDT
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So I was able to shoot my new 4.6" gun today. Shooting warm reloads consisting of 180 HST's with blue dot and longshot and 200 gr hardcast with AA#9.
The 180's ran fine with the factory recoil spring assembly. I chrono'd them around 1200 fps. When I shot the 200 gr loads, I had a couple of failure to feeds using the stock RSA. Swtiched to my wolff guide rod and 24 lb spring, I had zero issues. If you plan to run hot loads through this gun, a spring change is necessary. The slide weighs 3 oz less than a G20 slide, so you'll see a little higher slide velocity. I may add Wolff extra power magazine springs as well. The 200 gr loads chono'd slightly north of 1200 fps so they were on the warm side. The Apex trigger ran without a hitch. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 11:15:24 PM EDT
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I put the Apex forward set trigger and sear from my .45 into my new 10mm and have dry fired it a bunch. Really improves the trigger feel. Will get out to shoot it around Christmas. Anyone have an idea where to get a guide rod and replacement springs for the 4 inch model?
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:07:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put the Apex forward set trigger and sear from my .45 into my new 10mm and have dry fired it a bunch. Really improves the trigger feel. Will get out to shoot it around Christmas. Anyone have an idea where to get a guide rod and replacement springs for the 4 inch model? Try Wolff, they usually have everything in stock. They are local so I stop by there to pick up my orders. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:41:16 AM EDT
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I checked Wolff yesterday, looking under the M&P 45 tab assuming that would be the appropriate substitution. They list a replacement guide rod and recoil springs, but for the full size only.
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:42:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I checked Wolff yesterday, looking under the M&P 45 tab assuming that would be the appropriate substitution. They list a replacement guide rod and recoil springs, but for the full size only. AHH |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:54:57 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I put the Apex forward set trigger and sear from my .45 into my new 10mm and have dry fired it a bunch. Really improves the trigger feel. Will get out to shoot it around Christmas. Anyone have an idea where to get a guide rod and replacement springs for the 4 inch model? Try Carver Custom. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 10:11:19 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I put the Apex forward set trigger and sear from my .45 into my new 10mm and have dry fired it a bunch. Really improves the trigger feel. Will get out to shoot it around Christmas. Anyone have an idea where to get a guide rod and replacement springs for the 4 inch model? I bet the 4" 10mm uses the same recoil guide rod as the 4" 2.0 9 C. So you can probably use the compact guide rod and a 24 lb recoil spring. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:43:31 AM EDT
[#36]
I was stunned yesterday. I walked into a smaller but high volume shop and sitting there was a 4 inch with the safety. The exact model I wanted. Merry Christmas to me.
Broke it dow and cleaned last night. Everything looked good. Trigger is a little gritty but I’m guessing the Burwell method will clean this up. That worked well on dozens of first generation 9s I used to do for my friends. Hopefully will get a few shots off today. I’m excited to see what this thing can do. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 2:13:18 PM EDT
[#37]
I just got my 4.6 inch model in yesterday and the trigger is trash. Has a mile of gritty pre-travel before it hits the wall and breaks over, breaks at around 7lbs according to my scale. I need 50-75% of that pre-travel in the trigger gone and a crisp 3.5-4.5lb break. I guess Apex is the only way to go, but I've never handled a pistol with their trigger kits installed. If I can just get this looooooong travel gone that would be great.
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Posted: 12/19/2021 10:39:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I was able to shoot my new 4.6" gun today. * * * When I shot the 200 gr loads, I had a couple of failure to feeds using the stock RSA. Swtiched to my wolff guide rod and 24 lb spring, I had zero issues. If you plan to run hot loads through this gun, a spring change is necessary. The slide weighs 3 oz less than a G20 slide, so you'll see a little higher slide velocity. I may add Wolff extra power magazine springs as well. The 200 gr loads chono'd slightly north of 1200 fps so they were on the warm side. Interesting and disappointing to hear. I've got the 4"/no external safety model on order. S&W should've anticipated that many, maybe most, purchasers of the new 10mm M&Ps will be shooting the 'heavy & fast' 10mm ammo, especially in the role of an outdoors/woods gun. The so-called 'Sonny Crockett load' of the Norma era (mid-'80s) is 200gns @ 1200fps - which these days isn't even a max load for that bullet-weight. It's more like 1250-1275fps in factory ammo, with 10mm handloaders pushing a 200gn bullet close to 1300fps. So you shouldn't need to have to swap-out recoil (or other) springs for the gun not to malf on REAL 10mm ammo. Smith should've figured that out up front. 
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Posted: 12/19/2021 11:52:21 PM EDT
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Sure but most factory 10mm is closer to 40short than full grown 10mm.
So some youtoob stooge would have announced how crappy the new S&W 10mm is and how it is short loading with say 10mm American Eagle. For the record, I have my 45 m&p shooting 45super with a comp and heavy spring. Regular 45 auto bairly trickles out when fired in that setup. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 12:33:17 AM EDT
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Molar,
You got a part number on that Wolf guide rod and spring ? Thanks Quote HistoryQuoted: So I was able to shoot my new 4.6" gun today. Shooting warm reloads consisting of 180 HST's with blue dot and longshot and 200 gr hardcast with AA#9. The 180's ran fine with the factory recoil spring assembly. I chrono'd them around 1200 fps. When I shot the 200 gr loads, I had a couple of failure to feeds using the stock RSA. Swtiched to my wolff guide rod and 24 lb spring, I had zero issues. If you plan to run hot loads through this gun, a spring change is necessary. The slide weighs 3 oz less than a G20 slide, so you'll see a little higher slide velocity. I may add Wolff extra power magazine springs as well. The 200 gr loads chono'd slightly north of 1200 fps so they were on the warm side. The Apex trigger ran without a hitch. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 1:27:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Molar, You got a part number on that Wolf guide rod and spring ? Thanks Should be SKU 54624 |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 2:25:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I was able to shoot my new 4.6" gun today. Shooting warm reloads consisting of 180 HST's with blue dot and longshot and 200 gr hardcast with AA#9. The 180's ran fine with the factory recoil spring assembly. I chrono'd them around 1200 fps. When I shot the 200 gr loads, I had a couple of failure to feeds using the stock RSA. Swtiched to my wolff guide rod and 24 lb spring, I had zero issues. If you plan to run hot loads through this gun, a spring change is necessary. The slide weighs 3 oz less than a G20 slide, so you'll see a little higher slide velocity. I may add Wolff extra power magazine springs as well. The 200 gr loads chono'd slightly north of 1200 fps so they were on the warm side. The Apex trigger ran without a hitch. How did the brass look? Any bulges or smiles? |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 11:49:32 AM EDT
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Gents,
This is Scott Folk, I'm one of two owners of Apex Tactical. I'm also the guy in most of the Apex install videos. On the topic of using our triggers in the new M2.0 10mm pistols. I suspect they will work, but I can't give you the Green Light just yet. Our parts dropping in and "Working" according to reports is all well and good, but that does not constitute thorough testing and evaluation. Thought it may "work", the safety system needs to be evaluated, striker block engagement and sear/striker engagement needs to be inspected and documented, then we need to drop test it before we can give a thumbs up. I have a 10mm on the way here now and once I have it, we 'll run through all of the necessary tests and determine if our kits are approved for use or not. We don't do anything half way around here, so testing may take a bit of time, but it will be done. Those of you who have them, did they add the Rib to the bottom of the barrel on the unlocking surface? Thanks Scott @ Apex |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:01:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the brass look? Any bulges or smiles? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I was able to shoot my new 4.6" gun today. Shooting warm reloads consisting of 180 HST's with blue dot and longshot and 200 gr hardcast with AA#9. The 180's ran fine with the factory recoil spring assembly. I chrono'd them around 1200 fps. When I shot the 200 gr loads, I had a couple of failure to feeds using the stock RSA. Swtiched to my wolff guide rod and 24 lb spring, I had zero issues. If you plan to run hot loads through this gun, a spring change is necessary. The slide weighs 3 oz less than a G20 slide, so you'll see a little higher slide velocity. I may add Wolff extra power magazine springs as well. The 200 gr loads chono'd slightly north of 1200 fps so they were on the warm side. The Apex trigger ran without a hitch. How did the brass look? Any bulges or smiles? My fired brass looked fine, without bulges. Here's a potato pic of the chamber area with a round in it. Looks like good support to me.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:04:09 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be SKU 54624 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Molar, You got a part number on that Wolf guide rod and spring ? Thanks Should be SKU 54624 I ran some different factory rounds through the gun (4", no thumb safety), and the SIG FMJ was launching brass into orbit. (shot some 40 in it, ejection looked normal) |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:17:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My fired brass looked fine, without bulges. Here's a potato pic of the chamber area with a round in it. Looks like good support to me. https://junkyard.web.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/15731/2021/12/10mm-case-support-scaled-e1640102424730.jpg Thanks, and the picture is very helpful. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:26:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gents, This is Scott Folk, I'm one of two owners of Apex Tactical. I'm also the guy in most of the Apex install videos. On the topic of using our triggers in the new M2.0 10mm pistols. I suspect they will work, but I can't give you the Green Light just yet. Our parts dropping in and "Working" according to reports is all well and good, but that does not constitute thorough testing and evaluation. Thought it may "work", the safety system needs to be evaluated, striker block engagement and sear/striker engagement needs to be inspected and documented, then we need to drop test it before we can give a thumbs up. I have a 10mm on the way here now and once I have it, we 'll run through all of the necessary tests and determine if our kits are approved for use or not. We don't do anything half way around here, so testing may take a bit of time, but it will be done. Those of you who have them, did they add the Rib to the bottom of the barrel on the unlocking surface? Thanks Scott @ Apex Always better to be cautious. I would hope that S&W would have the foresight to maintain the relation of all trigger/safety components of possible, for parts standardization, if not fit aftermarket anticipation. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 1:37:49 PM EDT
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Trust me, the last thing the Engineers at Smith care about is the Aftermarket. They will do everything in their power to push us away.
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Posted: 12/21/2021 1:45:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trust me, the last thing the Engineers at Smith care about is the Aftermarket. They will do everything in their power to push us away. You would think, if that were so, that they would fix the most common gripe of the M&P line themselves (the gritty trigger)... |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 2:01:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gents, This is Scott Folk, I'm one of two owners of Apex Tactical. I'm also the guy in most of the Apex install videos. On the topic of using our triggers in the new M2.0 10mm pistols. I suspect they will work, but I can't give you the Green Light just yet. Our parts dropping in and "Working" according to reports is all well and good, but that does not constitute thorough testing and evaluation. Thought it may "work", the safety system needs to be evaluated, striker block engagement and sear/striker engagement needs to be inspected and documented, then we need to drop test it before we can give a thumbs up. I have a 10mm on the way here now and once I have it, we 'll run through all of the necessary tests and determine if our kits are approved for use or not. We don't do anything half way around here, so testing may take a bit of time, but it will be done. Those of you who have them, did they add the Rib to the bottom of the barrel on the unlocking surface? Thanks Scott @ Apex your flat faced trigger kits and barrels are amazing your customer service is top notch also  Attached File  M&P 9mm at 90 yards |
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