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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:13:32 AM EDT
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When company leadership sits down and decides, “I wish we had less brand recognition.”
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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:24:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:29:19 AM EDT
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Have they ever figured out a way to make a reliable magazine?
Cool looking gun though |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 5:59:40 AM EDT
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Those 2011s are incredible. Unless you get one that won’t run without more work.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 7:09:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When company leadership sits down and decides, "I wish we had less brand recognition." No kidding. What a dumb move. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 10:42:13 AM EDT
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Oh and let’s call every model the same name but differentiate them with random letters.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 10:48:50 AM EDT
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Strayer-Tripp, Inc. has not been the same since Sandy Strayer left STI
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Posted: 5/27/2020 10:51:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have they ever figured out a way to make a reliable magazine? Cool looking gun though A double stack, single feed is just a POS. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 10:54:22 AM EDT
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Tripp, made some good guns when he had his shop here in Alpine.
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Posted: 5/27/2020 12:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have they ever figured out a way to make a reliable magazine? Cool looking gun though My gen 2 mags with TTI basepads have been 100% in my combat master. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 12:16:55 PM EDT
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MBX mags are amazing.
The new STI (staccato) mags have also ran flawless for me. I have never tuned a mag and wouldn’t know where to start. Granted I’m new to the 2011 game and started with a Nighthawk double stack. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 12:21:39 PM EDT
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That's as bad a name change as 'Esse" I know they fucked up and lost the rights to "RAT" to ontario knives but "Esse" wtf?
Staccato sounds like they make amplifiers for high school jazz bands. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 12:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No kidding. What a dumb move. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When company leadership sits down and decides, "I wish we had less brand recognition." No kidding. What a dumb move. It was news to me that STI's problem was the branding and the logo  I kinda felt calling every gun a "staccato" was kinda stupid? Perhaps it's because I actually think the name "staccato" wasn't the best - and it's not immediately obvious what the gun configurations are. Then they double down and change the company name to that? This isn't GD so I'll stop here but. I think it's downright dopey. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 1:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda felt calling every gun a "staccato" was kinda stupid? Perhaps it's because I actually think the name "staccato" wasn't the best - and it's not immediately obvious what the gun configurations are. Then they double down and change the company name to that? Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 3:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/stilol_jpg-1434812.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I kinda felt calling every gun a "staccato" was kinda stupid? Perhaps it's because I actually think the name "staccato" wasn't the best - and it's not immediately obvious what the gun configurations are. Then they double down and change the company name to that? Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/stilol_jpg-1434812.JPG 
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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A double stack, single feed is just a POS. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:13:46 PM EDT
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Sorry guys it’s my fault. Everything I buy into dies.
VTX Excursion EDM Windrunner STI My bad Quoted: Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/stilol_jpg-1434812.JPG It’s like DVC but better!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 5:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/stilol_jpg-1434812.JPG So....does this mean I own a Staccato Staccato P now? Yeah strange move. Talked about this with some buddies, one of them figured it had to do with STI/Staccato competing for LE contracts. Who knows? |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 5:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When company leadership sits down and decides, “I wish we had less brand recognition.” One could argue there are advantages to that in this case. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 6:09:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: One could argue there are advantages to that in this case. lol true. But still dumb |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 6:48:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But that is literally every doublestack pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A double stack, single feed is just a POS. How many taper up to a single stack? |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 7:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So....does this mean I own a Staccato Staccato P now? Yeah strange move. Talked about this with some buddies, one of them figured it had to do with STI/Staccato competing for LE contracts. Who knows? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/stilol_jpg-1434812.JPG So....does this mean I own a Staccato Staccato P now? Yeah strange move. Talked about this with some buddies, one of them figured it had to do with STI/Staccato competing for LE contracts. Who knows? Say what you will about S&W 3rd gens but at least they had an Some of the moves by the current crop of owners are hard to interpret as anything other than boneheaded. I do give them credit for bringing back a polymer single stack frame. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 8:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say what you will about S&W 3rd gens but at least they had an Some of the moves by the current crop of owners are hard to interpret as anything other than boneheaded. I do give them credit for bringing back a polymer single stack frame. What issues are you taking with them? |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 8:38:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What issues are you taking with them? Foremost, putting out a half-assed mag redesign with the Gen 2s and the Gen 2 grip. They decided to move right on to a Gen 3 because of the issues with the Gen 2. Second, renaming their company after one of their pistol models and then renaming the pistol models to random letters with no rhyme or reason... and then changing it all up again in 2020. I agree that they probably needed to move on from "STI" since neither Strayer nor Tripp have been there in 25 years, but they went about it poorly, IMO. Third, continuing to send guns out the door with bad QC, especially in light of their substantial price increases. Nobody should have to send back a $3000 1911 because it shoots 6" low at 7 yards, but there was a rash of that kind of thing being complained about on other forums. They've made some steps in the right direction, but their missteps threaten to cancel any progress. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 9:05:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many taper up to a single stack? That said, I don't know anything about 2011's other than they were known for possibly being finicky about mags. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 9:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally all of them. Thats thats what the taper at the top of the mag is for. SMG's and other PCC's are double stack and feed from either side, but no standard pistol takes that style of magazine. That said, I don't know anything about 2011's other than they were known for possibly being finicky about mags. Double stack mags are either single feed or double feed. Most PCCs/subgubs are double stack double feed. Handguns are double stack single feed, the 2011 just has an extreme trapper to the top of the mag. Because the 2011 uses a 1911 slide, which is designed to use a single stack mag, the 2011 requires an extreme taper at the top to simulate a single stack 1911 mag. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 10:46:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally all of them. Thats thats what the taper at the top of the mag is for. SMG's and other PCC's are double stack and feed from either side, but no standard pistol takes that style of magazine. That said, I don't know anything about 2011's other than they were known for possibly being finicky about mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many taper up to a single stack? That said, I don't know anything about 2011's other than they were known for possibly being finicky about mags. They're mag finicky because the mags are fucked up in a way that no other magazine is fucked up. The bottom of the mag is like any other double stack, the top of the mag is like a 1911. Stupid design. They should have built the gun around a know good magazine but they built their own fucked up magazines half a century after double stack mags had been perfected. 
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Posted: 5/28/2020 12:06:22 AM EDT
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I always wondered if the mag design was flakey, or genius. That looooong taper to the feed lips is not really seen elsewhere. When they run they are hard to beat.
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Posted: 5/28/2020 1:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wondered if the mag design was flakey, or genius. That looooong taper to the feed lips is not really seen elsewhere. When they run they are hard to beat. 
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Posted: 5/28/2020 2:22:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A double stack, single feed is just a POS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have they ever figured out a way to make a reliable magazine? Cool looking gun though A double stack, single feed is just a POS. Redacted for my lack of reading comprehension |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 3:29:39 AM EDT
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No issues with my 2019 P and picking up my C2 in a few hours.
Guessing STI didn't want to be known as the Sexually Transmitted Infections guns. --- Picked up my C2 today and it has the new teflon? mags? Will run a case of ammo through it this weekend when I return to work. All we have is Winchester 124gr FMJ and Ranger 127 gr +P+. 
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Posted: 5/28/2020 1:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Double stack mags are either single feed or double feed. Most PCCs/subgubs are double stack double feed. Handguns are double stack single feed, the 2011 just has an extreme trapper to the top of the mag. Because the 2011 uses a 1911 slide, which is designed to use a single stack mag, the 2011 requires an extreme taper at the top to simulate a single stack 1911 mag. The Five-seveN is the only double stack, double feed pistol that I can think of. Everything else that is double stack is single feed, but yeah the 2011 takes that to an even greater extent which I'm sure is the root of a lot of their issues. Double stack single feed is more popular in PCC/subguns than it should be though, especially in .45 ACP. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 2:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A double stack, single feed is just a POS. So virtually every single modern high capacity handgun? K.... |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 9:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So virtually every single modern high capacity handgun? K.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A double stack, single feed is just a POS. So virtually every single modern high capacity handgun? K.... I should have said the double stack - single stack magazine is retarded. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 5:41:59 AM EDT
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This is a shame. My understanding from reading other boards (disclaimer: no way to verify if it is true) is that they were bought by an investment firm.
Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Cerberus / Freedom Group type situation. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 8:37:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2020 12:03:29 PM EDT
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Just over an hour Hell to the no |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 12:17:30 PM EDT
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Staccato < SVI
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Posted: 5/29/2020 12:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just over an hour Hell to the no It was pretty informative.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 1:13:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: It was pretty informative. Then summarize it for us If I remember Monday I might put it on for my work commute. Is he just talking about the name or does he cover a bunch of stuff. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 1:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those 2011s are incredible. Unless you get one that won’t run without more work. You mean like my son's? He was not happy when his $2K+ pistol wouldn't run as good as his RIAs. The factory did ended up fixing it, but an expensive gun like that shouldn't have made it out of the factory with problems. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 1:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like my son's? He was not happy when his $2K+ pistol wouldn't run as good as his RIAs. The factory did ended up fixing it, but an expensive gun like that shouldn't have made it out of the factory with problems. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those 2011s are incredible. Unless you get one that won’t run without more work. You mean like my son's? He was not happy when his $2K+ pistol wouldn't run as good as his RIAs. The factory did ended up fixing it, but an expensive gun like that shouldn't have made it out of the factory with problems. That's ok I know a sponsored shooter that couldn't get his guns to work |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 1:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then summarize it for us If I remember Monday I might put it on for my work commute. Is he just talking about the name or does he cover a bunch of stuff. Name change Mags Parts Different grips Warranty Hero Program And a bunch of babble. I was on the deck having a cigar and a drink yesterday when it went live so i watched it. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 2:15:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally all of them. Thats thats what the taper at the top of the mag is for. SMG's and other PCC's are double stack and feed from either side, but no standard pistol takes that style of magazine. That said, I don't know anything about 2011's other than they were known for possibly being finicky about mags. Steyr GB was a double-stack 9mm with a flush 18 round mag that feeds from both sides. It would have been a very popular pistol if that pesky Glock hadn't edged it out for the Austrian service pistol contract. |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 7:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a shame. My understanding from reading other boards (disclaimer: no way to verify if it is true) is that they were bought by an investment firm. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Cerberus / Freedom Group type situation. representing a '60s TV detective?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 8:41:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like my son's? He was not happy when his $2K+ pistol wouldn't run as good as his RIAs. The factory did ended up fixing it, but an expensive gun like that shouldn't have made it out of the factory with problems. It used to piss STI guys off to no end when I would beat them at club matches with a stock para. |
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Posted: 5/31/2020 3:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh come on, it's perfectly clear, as you can see. Makes perfect logical sense. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/stilol_jpg-1434812.JPG |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:04:55 PM EDT
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I don’t understand STI. They’ve practically abandoned their core market of competition shooters and focused on $3,000 “defensive pistols”. It’s like they’re chasing customers who are too rich to buy Gucci Glocks.
They also raised their dealer program from a 3 gun minimum to a $15k minimum. We used to sell a few a year but I’m not dropping $15k on a bunch of niche 2011s that don’t even understand their own market. They don’t seem to want competition shooters any more, LE isn’t buying $3000 sidearms, so are there really that many people carrying high end 2011s for self defense? Maybe it works for them, maybe it doesn’t. But they’ve definitely lost a big market that got them to where they are today. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:07:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand STI. They’ve practically abandoned their core market of competition shooters and focused on $3,000 “defensive pistols”. It’s like they’re chasing customers who are too rich to buy Gucci Glocks. They also raised their dealer program from a 3 gun minimum to a $15k minimum. We used to sell a few a year but I’m not dropping $15k on a bunch of niche 2011s that don’t even under their own market. Maybe it works for them, maybe it doesn’t. But they’ve definitely lost a big market that got them to where they are today. I think they’re going for a much larger market now, the local dealers cannot keep them on the shelf. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 9:03:49 PM EDT
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The increased buy in signals health usually. When your volume increases you get to a point where small volume dealers just aren't worth it. Honestly $15,000 isn't that much when almost all the guns are over 2k and some over 4k.
I would love to see the production numbers on the competition guns over the last decade. My guess is that with the glut of competent smiths out there that's where a lot of the market went. With the money they are asking it's not a stretch to just have a gun built. It is weird not seeing a Edge or similar. They kind of have one but it's only available in 9mm and 45 so Limited shooters aren't going to pick it up. They have probably been losing market share for years to CZ and EAA and the new Dan Wesson DWX will definitely take more away. I don't really know anything about BUL but I sure am seeing them more and more. STI probably wanted to try and solidify their niche. I wish them the best but don't see one in my future any time soon unless I find a killer deal on a used gun. I have wanted one of the integral comp setups since I first saw the Costa Carry Comp but I just don't wan't one bad enough to pay 3-4 grand. |
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