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Posted: 3/23/2020 10:39:38 AM EDT
.357 mag is a beastly round for a handgun, but when it's fired from a 16" barrel it becomes something truly marvelous. We shoot .357 mag Remington 158gr semi jacketed hollow point from a 16" Rossi M92 into clear gel to assess penetration, expansion/fragmentation, and retained weight.
 Why .357 Can Be Sometimes Be More Than Magnum: Remington 158gr SJHP 16" Gel Test Results: Penetration: 20.1" Retained weight: 109.4gr Max expansion: 0.611" Min expansion: 0.496" Velocities in fps: 1724 1727 1725 1688 1684 Average: 1709.6 StdDev: 21.62 Min: 1684 Max: 1727 Spread: 43 |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:05:10 AM EDT
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This guy is legit. I watch all his videos!
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:06:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Awesome and thanks! I've always loved the .357 carbine.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:30:23 AM EDT
[#3]
 16" Rossi 92 handload data 22gr win296 125SJHP 2241fps 19.6gr Win296 140XTP 1963fps 17.3gr Win296 158xtp 1748fps 6.4gr win231 158swc 1338fps |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:39:34 AM EDT
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Thank you!
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:51:10 AM EDT
[#5]
my favorite caliber
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:20:28 PM EDT
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Owning and hunting with both .357 carbine and revolver, I really appreciate you doing the .357 videos that you do. It's fun and it reinforces what I see in the field. I've tried lots of bullets out of both on animals but I haven't tried everything. So it's good to see you try some that I haven't. This Remington load is one that I've never used and I'm glad that you made a video about it. If I see it on the shelf in the future and I need to buy ammo, I won't hesitate to grab a box.
ETA: almost forgot, yes caliber does matter as well as bullet shape (meplat). |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:31:04 PM EDT
[#7]
Awesome!
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:51:55 PM EDT
[#8]
Good stuff. I have often thought that packing with a .357 carbine and revolver would be a great combo.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 12:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good stuff. I have often thought that packing with a .357 carbine and revolver would be a great combo.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 1:00:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Probably pretty close to the 158jsp in organic gel.
I dont have penatration numbers but these were fired from the 2 guns posted above into water. 140gr xtp over 9gr unique. They open up and hold together.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 1:22:29 PM EDT
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My 357 lever action is still one of my favorite rifles and its one that I like taking new shooters out on, loaded with 38's.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 1:35:36 PM EDT
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Makes me want to go buy a lever gun in .357!
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Posted: 3/23/2020 2:33:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes me want to go buy a lever gun in .357!  ETA: great video as usual |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes me want to go buy a lever gun in .357! me too any good deals out there on one? |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy is legit. I watch all his videos! lol... |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:37:06 PM EDT
[#16]
Are there comparable videos on the 30 carbine, 44-40, or the 44 magnum?
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Posted: 3/23/2020 4:18:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are there comparable videos on the 30 carbine, 44-40, or the 44 magnum? I've seen ones on the .30 Carbine and its performance with a good expanding bullet is amazing. This is something I suspected many years ago, that if you took the FMJ away from the .30 carb it would be a good personal defense round. Even a decent short range deer carbine. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 4:19:29 PM EDT
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And for us old guys....
I got a Rossi 92 in 357 years ago that had a 4" rail in place of the rear sight. Threw a PA Red Dot on there and no more reading glasses! I think it's Steve's Guns or something that makes the kit. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 5:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably pretty close to the 158jsp in organic gel. I dont have penatration numbers but these were fired from the 2 guns posted above into water. 140gr xtp over 9gr unique. They open up and hold together. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/20200305_124403_jpg-1329465.JPG impressive results! |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:44:55 PM EDT
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 Attached FileHenry Carbine in 357 threaded for a 3 lug mount so I can shoot surpressed. Love this thing more than most of my firearms! |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:53:33 PM EDT
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I killed a lot of deer with 158 gr. Remington SJHP fired from .35 Remington Contender with 16" barrel.
I could SOMETIMES get 5 shot groups of 1 1/4" at 100 yards with a 4x scope but usually groups were closer to 2". |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 7:47:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9 gr. that's a stout load impressive results! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably pretty close to the 158jsp in organic gel. I dont have penatration numbers but these were fired from the 2 guns posted above into water. 140gr xtp over 9gr unique. They open up and hold together. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/20200305_124403_jpg-1329465.JPG impressive results! Max load per sierra. I bought a bunch of cheap 130gr jsp that im going to test with the same load. They shoot good. I just want to see if they open up from the 2.75" and hold together from the 20. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 8:34:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: me too any good deals out there on one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Makes me want to go buy a lever gun in .357! me too any good deals out there on one?  Attached FileETA: .357 carbines are as rare as hen's teeth right now. Marlin 1894's are practically unobtainium. I've read online that the Henry 357 carbine is very difficult to find in stores or online as well. Your best bet might be finding a new old stock Rossi somewhere in a store. Prices are through the roof for anything you might stumble upon. I conducted an all-out search for a Marlin 1894 a couple months ago. The 1894 was my very first centerfire rifle and I hunted with it for many years before needing to sell it in a divorce about 10 years ago. Nobody had one online save for GunBroker and they were crazy prices. Checked every gun store within an hours drive including Cabela's and Bass Pro and there was nothing even in the pipeline of distribution networks. Finally located one in Charlotte at Hyatt's, so I made the two-hour drive. It's worth the search because these are fantastic guns! |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 8:38:06 PM EDT
[#24]
Nice! Do .44 mag next.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 9:30:03 PM EDT
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O3RN,
Please take video and @me when you do. Most of my revolvers are 357 and I've been thinking of a lever gun to go with. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 10:26:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:57:44 PM EDT
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Boy let me tell ya what.
My son came in the office and saw me watching this and he was all "YEAH I wan't a lever gun" after shooting a guys Marlin 3030 at the range back around christmas. Then saw yours and its 357 and what it can do. NOW he's all HELLLLLL YEAHHH  I WANT A LEVER GUN. 357 is Cheaper than 3030. I don't know whether to cuss you or thank you. Quoted: .357 mag is a beastly round for a handgun, but when it's fired from a 16" barrel it becomes something truly marvelous. We shoot .357 mag Remington 158gr semi jacketed hollow point from a 16" Rossi M92 into clear gel to assess penetration, expansion/fragmentation, and retained weight.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrSPXFfjjWgResults: Penetration: 20.1" Retained weight: 109.4gr Max expansion: 0.611" Min expansion: 0.496" Velocities in fps: 1724 1727 1725 1688 1684 Average: 1709.6 StdDev: 21.62 Min: 1684 Max: 1727 Spread: 43 |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 7:00:47 AM EDT
[#28]
Yes, 357 carbines are awesome little guns.
First deer I ever shot was with a 357 Handi Rifle in 357. Dropped like a rock. |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 10:11:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Great review. .357 Magnum is a great "little" cartridge.
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Posted: 3/24/2020 11:09:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prior to the fateful canoeing accident https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/90628/IMG_0093_jpeg-1330457.JPG That is absolute class right there. |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 12:12:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Darn, you done it.
Now, I am planning to buy a lever action 357 magnum carbine, to partner with my S&W revolver. Will you please do the same video with 44 Magnum? |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 12:19:11 PM EDT
[#32]
.357 has become my favorite caliber lately! With cast bullets it's amazing! Plus super cheap to shoot!
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Posted: 3/24/2020 12:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol...  |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 2:02:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.imgur.com/o65YpYx.jpg 16" Rossi 92 handload data 22gr win296 125SJHP 2241fps 19.6gr Win296 140XTP 1963fps 17.3gr Win296 158xtp 1748fps 6.4gr win231 158swc 1338fps That Win231 is pretty economical. |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 3:07:44 PM EDT
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That's a 16 inch barrel. How much velocity is gained with a 20 inch?
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Posted: 3/24/2020 7:10:31 PM EDT
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Tnoutdoors9 tested this one in a 3" revolver I believe. Did quite well there also from my memory.
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Posted: 3/24/2020 7:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That Win231 is pretty economical. @Chris_in_TX It's a great old classic pistol powder. so is UNIQUE....aka combustible dirt . |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 7:45:42 PM EDT
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I started using 231 when I learned to reload and never saw any reason to use other powders. Works well in .40 S&W and .45ACP.
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Posted: 3/24/2020 7:51:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Thanks a lot!
I have wanted a 38/357 lever gun for years now but can't find one. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 5:24:20 AM EDT
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I have a Ruger 77/357 with an 18" barrel run it suppressed. Handloaded Hornady 158 XTP's chronic at 1805 fps with 16 grains of 2400 powder. Its safe in a locked breech, but it's probably too hot for most revolvers. Very stout load!
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Posted: 3/25/2020 12:11:05 PM EDT
[#41]
+1 for do 44 mag
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Posted: 3/25/2020 12:26:47 PM EDT
[#42]
So 5"-6" more penetration, with less retained weight and much less expansion than many self defense pistol rounds, fired from handguns.
Overdriven projectile. Try it with a better bullet, if you want to see the capability of .357 out of a 16" barrel. Something bonded, or a copper bullet like a Barnes. Hardcast if you're just looking for penetration. .357 out of a carbine can indeed be a beast, but not with most bullets designed for handguns. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 12:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/landing-page-double-take-354.gif ETA: .357 carbines are as rare as hen's teeth right now. Marlin 1894's are practically unobtainium. I've read online that the Henry 357 carbine is very difficult to find in stores or online as well. Your best bet might be finding a new old stock Rossi somewhere in a store. Prices are through the roof for anything you might stumble upon. I conducted an all-out search for a Marlin 1894 a couple months ago. The 1894 was my very first centerfire rifle and I hunted with it for many years before needing to sell it in a divorce about 10 years ago. Nobody had one online save for GunBroker and they were crazy prices. Checked every gun store within an hours drive including Cabela's and Bass Pro and there was nothing even in the pipeline of distribution networks. Finally located one in Charlotte at Hyatt's, so I made the two-hour drive. It's worth the search because these are fantastic guns! Marlin wasn't really making them for the last several years according to the guy at the Marlin booth at SHOT. He said they were coming off the line now, or at least at the time. Not sure if that's changed with all the manufacturing changes going on at their parent company, but I do see them on Gunbroker, so I know they've made some. I have a couple of the older blue ones, but I'd really like one of the 16" stainless .357's they have been advertising for a couple years, (if they had figured out how to make them right).... I passed on one of the special run 16" stainless .357's that Davidson's did years ago, because it was something like $700 at the time. I had bought several others in that series, but thought that price was too high. Later on I saw them change hands on Gunbroker for 3K+. Not my smartest move. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 12:59:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a 16 inch barrel. How much velocity is gained with a 20 inch? Hard to say. Hopefully somebody can chime in with some data but I would expect that .357 has to be running out of gas by about that length. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 2:12:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So 5"-6" more penetration, with less retained weight and much less expansion than many self defense pistol rounds, fired from handguns. Overdriven projectile. Try it with a better bullet, if you want to see the capability of .357 out of a 16" barrel. Something bonded, or a copper bullet like a Barnes. Hardcast if you're just looking for penetration. .357 out of a carbine can indeed be a beast, but not with most bullets designed for handguns. Both bonded and Barnes bullets will simply bend all the way back against the shank of the projectile, so by the time they are done they are like a wadcutter. Not much unlike the heavy bullet in the above test. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 3:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/landing-page-double-take-354.gif ETA: .357 carbines are as rare as hen's teeth right now. Marlin 1894's are practically unobtainium. I've read online that the Henry 357 carbine is very difficult to find in stores or online as well. Your best bet might be finding a new old stock Rossi somewhere in a store. Prices are through the roof for anything you might stumble upon. I conducted an all-out search for a Marlin 1894 a couple months ago. The 1894 was my very first centerfire rifle and I hunted with it for many years before needing to sell it in a divorce about 10 years ago. Nobody had one online save for GunBroker and they were crazy prices. Checked every gun store within an hours drive including Cabela's and Bass Pro and there was nothing even in the pipeline of distribution networks. Finally located one in Charlotte at Hyatt's, so I made the two-hour drive. It's worth the search because these are fantastic guns! The last two lever actions that I bought were made in the same factory, decades apart, and both are still in production; 1. I got rid of my Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt to get a used but unused Win 92 Trapper take-down in 45 Colt. Made for Win by Miroku 2. Liked that '92 so much that I asked around and was lucky to find a gun I knew of but had not seen, a Browning B92 in .357, made by Miroku. If anything the B92 is slicker than the '92 Trapper It's only my 2nd 357 carbine, the first was an Italian revolver (Mateba) Neither of my 92 models cycle my favourite cast bullets (Keith design) - though I found that if I loaded the Keith bullet into a .38 Special case, it cycled and fed 100% - so I now do this as a way to ID indoor target ammo & outdoor ammo (RN or RNFP, in .357 brass) So - IF you are after a nice smooth cycling carbine, look for one of the Miroku made models as they are slicker than goose*hit on glass |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 6:50:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So 5"-6" more penetration, with less retained weight and much less expansion than many self defense pistol rounds, fired from handguns. Overdriven projectile. Try it with a better bullet, if you want to see the capability of .357 out of a 16" barrel. Something bonded, or a copper bullet like a Barnes. Hardcast if you're just looking for penetration. .357 out of a carbine can indeed be a beast, but not with most bullets designed for handguns. Remember, its clear gel so is giving an exaggerated depth and expansion. That first couple inches is boarderline rifle performance though. Check out the ops youtube account (choppingblock) he has a ton of tests with organic gel. The 180gr jhp and 158gr jsp both do really well in gel. I think the 158 goes over 1800fps iirc. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 6:52:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The last two lever actions that I bought were made in the same factory, decades apart, and both are still in production; 1. I got rid of my Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt to get a used but unused Win 92 Trapper take-down in 45 Colt. Made for Win by Miroku 2. Liked that '92 so much that I asked around and was lucky to find a gun I knew of but had not seen, a Browning B92 in .357, made by Miroku. If anything the B92 is slicker than the '92 Trapper It's only my 2nd 357 carbine, the first was an Italian revolver (Mateba) Neither of my 92 models cycle my favourite cast bullets (Keith design) - though I found that if I loaded the Keith bullet into a .38 Special case, it cycled and fed 100% - so I now do this as a way to ID indoor target ammo & outdoor ammo (RN or RNFP, in .357 brass) So - IF you are after a nice smooth cycling carbine, look for one of the Miroku made models as they are slicker than goose*hit on glass Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/landing-page-double-take-354.gif ETA: .357 carbines are as rare as hen's teeth right now. Marlin 1894's are practically unobtainium. I've read online that the Henry 357 carbine is very difficult to find in stores or online as well. Your best bet might be finding a new old stock Rossi somewhere in a store. Prices are through the roof for anything you might stumble upon. I conducted an all-out search for a Marlin 1894 a couple months ago. The 1894 was my very first centerfire rifle and I hunted with it for many years before needing to sell it in a divorce about 10 years ago. Nobody had one online save for GunBroker and they were crazy prices. Checked every gun store within an hours drive including Cabela's and Bass Pro and there was nothing even in the pipeline of distribution networks. Finally located one in Charlotte at Hyatt's, so I made the two-hour drive. It's worth the search because these are fantastic guns! The last two lever actions that I bought were made in the same factory, decades apart, and both are still in production; 1. I got rid of my Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt to get a used but unused Win 92 Trapper take-down in 45 Colt. Made for Win by Miroku 2. Liked that '92 so much that I asked around and was lucky to find a gun I knew of but had not seen, a Browning B92 in .357, made by Miroku. If anything the B92 is slicker than the '92 Trapper It's only my 2nd 357 carbine, the first was an Italian revolver (Mateba) Neither of my 92 models cycle my favourite cast bullets (Keith design) - though I found that if I loaded the Keith bullet into a .38 Special case, it cycled and fed 100% - so I now do this as a way to ID indoor target ammo & outdoor ammo (RN or RNFP, in .357 brass) So - IF you are after a nice smooth cycling carbine, look for one of the Miroku made models as they are slicker than goose*hit on glass To bad. My m92 loves 158gr wn-swc. My .45 colt m92 loves 255gr swc as well. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 7:31:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Please don’t tell the 45-70 guys. They think they are the master race. If they knew everything they shoot could be killed with a 357 or 45 colt they would require therapy!
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Posted: 3/25/2020 8:33:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please don’t tell the 45-70 guys. They think they are the master race. If they knew everything they shoot could be killed with a 357 or 45 colt they would require therapy! Not quite there but i can push 325gr at 1900fps from my 16" .45 m92. Or a 180gr at 1900fps from my 20" .357. |
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