Recommend (and why) a 10mm for me

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Posted: 2/20/2023 1:05:02 AM EDT

I have guns, lots of guns. But no 10mm's, so that's an ugly, glaring, needs to be filled hole in my collection.

My thoughts so far on what to get and narrowing things down:

Not that interested in a 10mm revolver. I have a S&W 686 in .357 which fits the same role as a 10mm wheelgun.

Probably not that interested in a 1911 series either - their fine guns but the closest I have is a .22 GSG 1911 style - I'm just not into the pattern
Leaning towards either a FN 510, as it looks cool, and I like my FN FNP Tactical in .45, or maybe a Glock 20.

The G20 is probably the wise choice, as it's pretty cheap, and I'm very familiar with the design as I built a Poly80 from parts, so I've bought and put in everything that goes into a Gen 3 Glock.

Question - does Glock make a Gen 3 G20, or only the current Gen 5? Is the G20 the same frame as is used on their .45 pistols?

Who else? Sig makes a 10mm I've seen - is it on the same size frame as their P220/.45 series?

HK doesn't make a 10mm, which is a shame - I've read about some people trying to build one themselves. As overdesigned as the USP series is, you'd think it would be an easy thing for HK to offer.

S&W MP? A buddy has a nice 9mm version, with the 5" barrel and high sights and red dot, and it's a nice gun. But I'd probably rather have a Glock than a new pattern of gun, unless there's a reason why the S&W is better than the Glock?

Purposes will be range use and having another gun, which is the reason why I buy most guns. Probably will be too lazy to carry something that big, and I know I'm too lazy to hunt with it, and have a .44 Mag for that anyway. No real need for it as a woods gun either.

Thoughts, and please explain you reasoning. Thanks.

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:23:30 AM EDT

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I have a G20 and the Sig 220; I can’t really recommend the Sig as it’s a) a beast (big+heavy) and b) only holds 8+1.

There is also the G29 (compact which it doesn’t sound like you want) and the G40 (long slide+optic ready) with an extra 1.4” of barrel…which is the model I wish I had, but it didn’t exist when I got my 20.

S&W now makes the M&P in 10mm but I have no experience with them.

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:35:15 AM EDT

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Not sure if the Gen3 Glock 20 is still being made. You can find them used though no problem. The frame is larger than your standard Glock frames like the 17. Slightly wider for the fatter magazine and the fatter slide. The frames come in two versions for the Gen3, SF and regular. SF has a shorter reach to the trigger from the backstrap than that of the regular frame. Personally, I like the SF model as it just fits my hand better, it doesn't feel like I'm wrapping my hand around a 2x4. The Gen4 version feels just like the SF in my hands, yet there are the attachable backstraps for those that like a larger grip circumference. Gen 5 has those also, along with ambidextrous slide release, reversible magazine catch, and MOS platform.

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:44:24 AM EDT

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LoL.

10mm vs .357, we solved this a few decades ago. This is the bigger question.\

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Posted: 2/20/2023 1:47:16 AM EDT

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I have a G20 and the Sig 220; I can’t really recommend the Sig as it’s a) a beast (big+heavy) and b) only holds 8+1.

There is also the G29 (compact which it doesn’t sound like you want) and the G40 (long slide+optic ready) with an extra 1.4” of barrel…which is the model I wish I had, but it didn’t exist when I got my 20.

S&W now makes the M&P in 10mm but I have no experience with them.

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Ahh, the G40 would make a nice combo with one of my favorite guns, my G17L. Maybe I'll go with that. Do you know if there's a Gen 3 version of it - not that big of a deal but I'd prefer that version as I've been into and out of the guts of that version from my Poly80 build.

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:48:12 AM EDT

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10mm vs .357, we solved this a few decades ago. This is the bigger question.\https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/0FC946B6-EE36-434B-AE6E-7FADA1EB8D5F_jpe-2717936.JPG

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I have no idea what you're talking about, as I did not ask what caliber of gun to buy, nor did I say I wanted it for woods/bear protection.

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:48:43 AM EDT

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Get a GLOCK.

If you want to save some money find a used G20. Or wait on the new Gen 5 MOS G20.

The G20 is a proven reliable platform for the 10mm. If you ever plan on reloading, get a KKM barrel.

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:49:48 AM EDT

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AMT Javelina.

Because a 6” longslide & .45acp are too weak.

Posted: 2/20/2023 2:01:40 AM EDT

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Broken Record here, I have the G20 and G40mos. I reload for them and can safely say they are two of my busiest Glocks. I shoot them both hard and have had no issues with either. I carry the G40 into the back country on a Kenai chest rig elk hunting and am comfortable with the large frame size.
I load 180gr for them and unless you are paying close attention the recoil difference is negligible.
Enjoy your new Glock.

Posted: 2/20/2023 2:10:42 AM EDT

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If you have a bunch of guns you really don’t need another caliber to mess with.

Of course, if you want it, get it but there ain’t a “need” for it.

If you have 357 magnum that can handle hot loads or a 45 that can be converted easily to 45 super, you have it covered (and then some) already.

There isn’t anything magical about 10mm.

Posted: 2/20/2023 2:14:48 AM EDT

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If you have a bunch of guns you really don’t need another caliber to mess with.

Of course, if you want it, get it but there ain’t a “need” for it.

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After I bought a 10/22, a Taurus PT-99, a Ruger Mark II, a Remington 1100, and an AR-15, there really wasn't a need for anything else. Yet 35 years later, and lots and lots of guns later, I'm still at it. It's less for need, as stated, and more for want and collecting.

Posted: 2/20/2023 4:58:34 AM EDT

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I have no idea what you're talking about, as I did not ask what caliber of gun to buy, nor did I say I wanted it for woods/bear protection.

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I have no idea what you're talking about, as I did not ask what caliber of gun to buy, nor did I say I wanted it for woods/bear protection.

LoL, that’s ok.

There are those capable of self reflection and humor. And can use a .357. And then there are those who are not. Carry on. Or don’t.

It at first appeared you said:

I have guns, lots of guns. But no 10mm's, so that's an ugly, glaring, needs to be filled hole in my collection.

My thoughts so far on what to get and narrowing things down:

Not that interested in a 10mm revolver. I have a S&W 686 in .357 which fits the same role as a 10mm wheelgun.

But maybe you didn’t say that.

Posted: 2/20/2023 6:03:07 AM EDT

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Had a G20 but found it very uncomfortable to shoot.

Recently bought a M&P 2.0 4.25” in ten from PSA.

$599 minus $100 rebate.

So far so good. Came with four mags and holster.

Posted: 2/20/2023 6:42:34 AM EDT

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I'm happy with my M&P. Stock recoil spring needed changing though. It was fine for box ammo but for nuclear handloads, it was brutal.

Posted: 2/20/2023 7:27:52 AM EDT

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I currently have a G40 with a Holosun scs. MOS factory cut. No suppressor height sights need. Irons co-witnesses great. Fits my hands well. Longer sight radius, accurate and easy trigger upgrade to a ghost trigger. I'm looking at the M&P next, especially with the current rebates.

Posted: 2/20/2023 8:12:49 AM EDT

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Get a G21 or G41 and add a 10mm conversion barrel by KKM or Barsto. 45acp barrel works fine with 45 Super and the 10 barrel will shoot 40. You can also convert it to 460 Roland if you get bored with the other 4 calibers.

Posted: 2/20/2023 8:53:35 AM EDT

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I just picked up a S&W MP 10, the grip fits me better than my G20 Gen3 SF, I'll be selling the G20. The Smith was $599.99 with a $100 rebate. I'm unsure of what to do with my G29, it just feels so fat.

Posted: 2/20/2023 9:07:38 AM EDT

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Glock 20.5 MOS.

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Posted: 2/20/2023 10:17:26 AM EDT

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Psa has a killer deal on the s&w m&p

Posted: 2/20/2023 10:52:33 AM EDT

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LoL, that’s ok.

There are those capable of self reflection and humor. And can use a .357. And then there are those who are not. Carry on. Or don’t.

It at first appeared you said:

But maybe you didn’t say that.

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I still have no idea what you're going on about. I asked for a technical recommendation of a 10mm semi-auto to buy, and you first want to mention .357's and bears (?), then make comments about your own comments. Please keep this topic to recommendations on 10mm's for range work and leave the snide comments to GD.

Posted: 2/20/2023 10:56:05 AM EDT

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Had a G20 but found it very uncomfortable to shoot.

Recently bought a M&P 2.0 4.25” in ten from PSA.

$599 minus $100 rebate.

So far so good. Came with four mags and holster.

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Interesting - what was uncomfortable about the G20? Was it the size/shape of the gun itself, or how it recoiled? I've fired my buddy's Colt Delta Elite and while it was snappier than a .45, wasn't bad I though for recoil. I wonder if the low bore axis of the Glock is great for lower recoiling rounds, but once you get up to higher power like full 10mm, there's some advantage to more muzzle flip to soak up recoil than just straight back into you hand.

Posted: 2/20/2023 11:00:32 AM EDT

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Get a G21 or G41 and add a 10mm conversion barrel by KKM or Barsto. 45acp barrel works fine with 45 Super and the 10 barrel will shoot 40. You can also convert it to 460 Roland if you get bored with the other 4 calibers.

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Are the G20 and G21's the same except for the barrel and magazine? Or is there something unique about the conversion barrels you mention that allow for a 10mm round to be extracted by a slide sized for a .45 round? I.E. would any Glock 10mm barrel work in a Glock 21 or does it have to be a specially made conversion style barrel?

Posted: 2/20/2023 11:18:37 AM EDT

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Interesting - what was uncomfortable about the G20? Was it the size/shape of the gun itself, or how it recoiled? I've fired my buddy's Colt Delta Elite and while it was snappier than a .45, wasn't bad I though for recoil. I wonder if the low bore axis of the Glock is great for lower recoiling rounds, but once you get up to higher power like full 10mm, there's some advantage to more muzzle flip to soak up recoil than just straight back into you hand.

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The beaver tail beat on me something fierce.

I have boney hands.

Posted: 2/20/2023 11:18:55 AM EDT

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I have a sig 220, an XDm and a glock 20, my vote is anything but glock. I am not a glock fan and the only reason i have one is the local dealer had it on the shelf and time was running out in WA to get a gun with a standard capacity magazine. Glocks to me are not comfortable and feel like a brick, just not my thing, i will say that I steadily feed it my reloads with no issues. The Sig is my favorite the XDm is very nice to shoot, I really want an FN but they hold too many rounds.

Posted: 2/20/2023 11:31:07 AM EDT

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My 9mm Glocks feel fine, but yeah, the .45 version does have a much bulkier feel. The FN version is interesting and I like my FN FNP .45, which I don't find too bulky. I'd like to check one out if and when they rattle around to local stores. Of course, knowing FN, in 5 years time they'll be a newer version that isn't compatible with the older one for parts and magazines.

Posted: 2/20/2023 11:40:04 AM EDT

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I just picked up a S&W MP 10, the grip fits me better than my G20 Gen3 SF, I'll be selling the G20. The Smith was $599.99 with a $100 rebate. I'm unsure of what to do with my G29, it just feels so fat.

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have you shot the 10mm yet? mine has been extremely problematic. mags eject every other round with spicy loads. i can see the mag catch making indentations on rounds in the magazine, so the thought is the extra recoil is causing that to push on the spring and eject the round.

Posted: 2/20/2023 12:33:07 PM EDT

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have you shot the 10mm yet? mine has been extremely problematic. mags eject every other round with spicy loads. i can see the mag catch making indentations on rounds in the magazine, so the thought is the extra recoil is causing that to push on the spring and eject the round.

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I haven't shot it yet, I have some Underwood that I'll try later.

Posted: 2/20/2023 12:46:16 PM EDT

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The RIA high double stack has been haunting me lately...

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16+1 rounds of all steel goodness. I've been seeing them for right around $600.

Posted: 2/20/2023 12:47:19 PM EDT

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oops... double tap

Posted: 2/20/2023 12:51:24 PM EDT

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If you like Glocks buy a Glock.

10mm thread

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:08:22 PM EDT

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I cant comment feom experience, but i planned on buying a 10mm for a woods pistol this year. Been looking into it for about 2 years and just havent pulled the trigger, but ill be going with the g20sf given my budget. Just seems like they do a good job with that. If i had money id go sig

Posted: 2/20/2023 1:30:07 PM EDT

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I had a G21 Gen 3 (not the SF version) for a while and tried it with a 10mm conversion barrel. Never could get it to consistently run right in 10mm configuration. I eventually sold it as the full size G21 frame was just too big for my girly sized hands and I really wanted to shoot it more in 10mm than 45, but it wasn't reliable enough for that. A G20 in SF or Gen 4 format, or more so a G40 has been on my short list for a while. Just havent been able to bite the bullet and get one yet.

Posted: 2/20/2023 7:44:56 PM EDT

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* * * If you have 357 magnum that can handle hot loads or a 45 that can be converted easily to 45 super, you have it covered (and then some) already.
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Ah yeah, there is.

It’s not a boring and less effective .357 wheelgun, nor is it a marginal 9-minimeter.

Posted: 2/20/2023 10:07:47 PM EDT

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Either a G20 or G40 would be my recommendation, can’t really go wrong with either. My G20 Gen4 is the only 10mm I own and plan to own, it does the trick. I use a 6” KKM barrel mainly for the extra velocity.

Posted: 2/21/2023 2:00:17 PM EDT

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S&W m&p is a good deal with 3 mags.

Springfield xdm elite can be found with the gear up package and 5 mags for a good price:

https://www.kygunco.com/product/springfield-armory-xdme94510bhcospgu22-xd-m-elite-10mm-4.5-osp-16rd-gear-up-package

I have tried both and like the xdm elite trigger a bit more. I also have a xdm elite in 45, so i was already comfortable with the frame. Both seem perfectly fine, but the trigger and extra mags helps the xdm.

Posted: 2/22/2023 2:31:22 PM EDT

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I've been looking at the current 10mm offerrings for a bit, planning to eventually get a woods gun. One of my criteria is striker-fired only, so I haven't looked into e.g. 1911s or the Sig P220. But that said, this is what I've found:

Gen 5 Glock 20: still new, so might be risking new gun problems, but this is currently my #1 contender. Only problems I've seen reported were caused by shooting a brand new gun without cleaning and lubing first. So don't do that.

Sig P320 XTen: I'd get this if it worked. Lots of mag problems reported, especially with bigger/hotter hardcast stuff, which rules it out for my use case. But maybe they'll fix the problems before I get around to acquiring a 10mm. Here's to hoping. There's a lot to like about the design (trigger, sights, etc), so in theory this is what I want. but those mags just have a bunch of problems. You might be OK with the potential issues if you're just going to use it as a range toy.

S&W M&P 10mm: I've seen a lot of reports of problems with these: recoil springs, mags dropping, etc. This makes me hesitant.

Springfield XD-M Elite: There's a 3.8" and 4.5" option - I'm most interested in the 4.5". This is a dark horse pick for me - any problems I've heard about seem like aberrations that are very uncommon, though admittedly that still seems more common than the Glocks. I'm also not sure about that grip safety.

Another perspective:

Hands on with Every Major 10mm Pistol in Production: An Alaska Guy's Perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ylGtud6DA

Hopefully that helps!

Posted: 2/22/2023 2:47:05 PM EDT

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Dan Wesson Specialist 1911 comes in 10mm and is awesome.
So is tge Sig 220 Legion 10mm

Posted: 2/22/2023 2:57:44 PM EDT

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EAA Witness

Posted: 2/22/2023 3:03:07 PM EDT

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G40mos

Posted: 2/22/2023 3:06:41 PM EDT

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Posted: 2/22/2023 4:21:47 PM EDT

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Posted: 2/22/2023 9:11:24 PM EDT

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The RIA high double stack has been haunting me lately...

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16+1 rounds of all steel goodness. I've been seeing them for right around $600.

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I have one with four mags I'm taking to the gun show Sat to try to sell. Shoots nicely & has been 100% reliable for me.

Posted: 2/22/2023 9:19:13 PM EDT

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HK doesn't make a 10mm, which is a shame - I've read about some people trying to build one themselves. As overdesigned as the USP series is, you'd think it would be an easy thing for HK to offer.

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As an H&K kool-aid drinker myself, when you figure out H&K be sure to let us know.

I just got in a Springfield XDM Elite in 10mm. I got the shooter's package, which includes six, count 'em, SIX mags! PSA has them for $545ish. Of course, this came AFTER I bought mine on GB for $588.

The Springfield comes with a fiber optic front sight, match barrel & better than usual XDM trigger.

I also have a Nighthawk 1911 LW Commander in 10mm, RIA Commander in 10mm & a RIA 2011 in 10mm. Also have a STI Nitro Govt model in 10mm that's accurate as hell.

I once owned a Glock 20SF & 29, sold them both due to mediocre accuracy.

I shoot FMJ ammo at the range but use the below for carry.

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Posted: 2/22/2023 10:44:47 PM EDT

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I’ve been kicking around getting a 10mm for years and keep coming back to just getting a Glock 20. Now that the Gen 5 MOS is out I think my excuses are gone.

The Glock 20 and 21 are the same size slide and frame, assuming same generation. The breach face on the slide is slightly smaller on the 20 but generally a 10mm conversion barrel works fine on the 21. The 20 slide is a little bit heavier. IIRC the 10mm has a slightly different ejector but it’s probably close enough not to make a difference. The large frame guns are a bit on the big size but have gotten smaller grip wise with each generation. The G40 started with Gen4 so there isn’t a Gen 3 version that I’m aware of, though you can probably make something similar with a 20SF frame and aftermarket long slide like Lone Wolf.

I was interested in the M&P 10mm but the reports of issues make me hesitant.

Posted: 2/24/2023 12:23:40 PM EDT

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I have a Springfield XD elite in 10mm with close to 800 jam free round threw her. Standard 180grain.

Gonna add another 100 tomorrow.

No complaints

Posted: 2/24/2023 1:04:41 PM EDT

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I’ve been kicking around getting a 10mm for years and keep coming back to just getting a Glock 20. Now that the Gen 5 MOS is out I think my excuses are gone.

The Glock 20 and 21 are the same size slide and frame, assuming same generation. The breach face on the slide is slightly smaller on the 20 but generally a 10mm conversion barrel works fine on the 21. The 20 slide is a little bit heavier. IIRC the 10mm has a slightly different ejector but it’s probably close enough not to make a difference. The large frame guns are a bit on the big size but have gotten smaller grip wise with each generation. The G40 started with Gen4 so there isn’t a Gen 3 version that I’m aware of, though you can probably make something similar with a 20SF frame and aftermarket long slide like Lone Wolf.

I was interested in the M&P 10mm but the reports of issues make me hesitant.

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I’ve had an early gen 2 Glock 20 for over 20 years and a pre-SF gen 3 for nearly that long. I recently got a Gen 5 MOS and it’s a big improvement. The optic compatibility was my primary motivation but the gen 5 grip feels MUCH more manageable in my medium size hands. Honestly, it feels closer to a 17 than my other 20s. I can easily reach the slide stop and mag release without shifting my grip. On the earlier guns, I had to use the extended slide stop lever and it was still a stretch.

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Posted: 2/24/2023 3:52:21 PM EDT

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I haven't shot it yet, I have some Underwood that I'll try later.

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have you shot the 10mm yet? mine has been extremely problematic. mags eject every other round with spicy loads. i can see the mag catch making indentations on rounds in the magazine, so the thought is the extra recoil is causing that to push on the spring and eject the round.

I haven't shot it yet, I have some Underwood that I'll try later.

I finally got out back to shoot the S&W MP10 with some Underwood ammo. All I had was a couple of different types of 180 gr hollow points @ 1300fps. Underwood items 243 and 244. No problems with it, but to be fair I changed the recoil spring to a Galloway 22 pound (GP-GRA-MP10-22-BLK) after reading some about it. So far I like it.

Posted: 2/24/2023 4:11:12 PM EDT

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I have a G20 and G40. Both are reliable but undersprung for spicy loads.

Posted: 2/24/2023 4:23:23 PM EDT

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Finally got out to shoot a couple of new guns this week, including the M&P 10 and G40.

The G40 was great (already own a G20SF) and with the long sight radius was very easy to shoot accurately. Has the ergonomics of a brick but still surprisingly shootable.

The M&P is perfect if you're engaged in a life of crime and wish to sand off your fingerprints as well as the skin from your palm. I.E., the grips are very aggressive, at least to my delicate hands, and for some reason it had a lot more felt recoil than most of my 10mm guns. Possibly again due to the friction of those grips sanding skin, but it just wasn't all that fun to shoot.

I'm eying a DW or Colt Delta Elite as my next 10mm gun, and also will eventually get the Sig XTEN just because I like Sigs. Own a pair of Sig P220 Elites and they're both good shooters. The extra heft always helps, but 8 rounds is starting to feel a bit archaic.

If budget allows, some of the higher end Tanfoglios are quite nice. I have the Elite Limited something or other and covet the Limited Master once I can find a deal on one again. Their top of the line Match model is discounted at a few shops right now, but still around $2200ish I think.

If you start looking at PCCs, 10mm is a great caliber for the Vector and very soft shooting in the Banshee MK10.

I feel like there was recently some mention of a new gun coming out that's a 2011 in 10mm. Don't recall the details but might be worth keeping an eye out for that.