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Posted: 6/26/2020 5:56:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reichpapers: I can't see this being the future. I said the exact same thing in 1989 when my unit tested red dots on our rifles. Now very few people just run irons on long guns anymore. The only major draw back I see of running red dots on pistols is having the willingness to cast off decades of relying on the sight alignment/sight picture of the irons. David |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 7:51:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reichpapers: I can't see this being the future. It's like having a big prosthetic mounted on your slide. I see this evolving into a bluetooth capable gun that shows where your aiming through a pair of glasses, like the helmets on a cobra. Imagine shooting your pistol both eyes open while focusing on your target/threat. Increased field of view, increased situational awareness, refined aiming point, elimination of sight alignment and sight picture in the traditional sense. Ability to use in any lighting conditions, and ability to use under NODS. The future is now old man. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 8:31:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: It IS the future IMHO. And having an optic mounted to a pistol is no weirder than a flashlight slung under one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/C2517C82-1112-4563-8D82-0E0774C4FB9B_jpe-1271499.JPG |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 8:33:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_H: Imagine shooting your pistol both eyes open while focusing on your target/threat. Increased field of view, increased situational awareness, refined aiming point, elimination of sight alignment and sight picture in the traditional sense. Ability to use in any lighting conditions, and ability to use under NODS. The future is now old man. |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 1:15:11 PM EDT
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For as many shooters that don't want to run with a RDS, I'm sure having a hard time finding a Safariland Holder for my G19 with an RDS...
 Somebody is sure buying them up...
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Posted: 6/26/2020 6:23:25 PM EDT
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Damn this is embarrassing to type out.....I was the boomer that was firmly against RDS...Epic Haiku's....Much angst...ETC. After a short time with a RDS on my Glock 19......Yes they are the future and I wish I would have done it sooner. My presentation does need some work. Not much so I must have done something right all these years. And the max range I am confident at hitting at is increasing. It is what it is resist all you want. You can still do fine with Irons. Point shooting still works fine with an RDS...Besides cost. I cannot find a downside. And believe me if there really was one...I would have started a thread and LOUDLY pointed it out.
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Posted: 6/26/2020 6:37:58 PM EDT
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The equation is simple, can you make good hits with it? If yes, then carry it, if no, carry something else. No need to complicate things
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Posted: 6/26/2020 6:57:25 PM EDT
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what ameriglos for lowest sight picture on an rmr and g17?
want them low and out of the way but still usable. think they were gl-xxx ? |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 7:47:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chaas67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triple6: what ameriglos for lowest sight picture on an rmr and g17? want them low and out of the way but still usable. think they were gl-xxx ? With the dot, your focus is on the target and not sights. YMMV |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 8:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triple6: what ameriglos for lowest sight picture on an rmr and g17? want them low and out of the way but still usable. think they were gl-xxx ? |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 8:15:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearsmithy: The equation is simple, can you make good hits with it? If yes, then carry it, if no, carry something else. No need to complicate things But it's actually "If no, get better and then carry it". 
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Posted: 6/27/2020 4:23:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reichpapers: I can't see this being the future. It's like having a big prosthetic mounted on your slide. I see this evolving into a bluetooth capable gun that shows where your aiming through a pair of glasses, like the helmets on a cobra. It’s not the future. It’s now. Get with the program. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 6:09:54 PM EDT
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Unplanned acquisition today. Now I need a threaded barrel and a holster.
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Posted: 6/27/2020 9:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlockaCGulz: Unplanned acquisition today. Now I need a threaded barrel and a holster. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/450356/5D5CB9DE-B76C-4AA7-AD96-82DB02CACC90-1479582.jpg Awesome profile pic: check Awesome sig line: check Awesome gun pic: check We should be friends @FlockaCGulz 
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Posted: 6/28/2020 11:06:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By samsgreen50: Awesome profile pic: check Awesome sig line: check Awesome gun pic: check We should be friends @FlockaCGulz Lol, thanks! This is the exact kind of validation I’ve been looking for!
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Posted: 6/28/2020 8:16:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harv24: For as many shooters that don't want to run with a RDS, I'm sure having a hard time finding a Safariland Holder for my G19 with an RDS... Somebody is sure buying them up... My agency is switching to allowing red dots on duty pistols soon. Everyone was having trouble finding the holster and Safariland was quoting a very long lead time. I found my G17 gen 5 RDS holster in stock at below MSRP on opticsplanet. They had a ton of models in stock. Just find the SKU on Safariland and search it on opticsplanet. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays: 3 MOA will be perfectly visible while still allowing you to get the most accuracy out of your setup at longer ranges. The Venom was decent enough when it was $230 or so. Now that the Holosun lineup is coming along, I'd look closely at those instead, especially something with shake-awake. The problem with the Venom is you either leave it on or you have to turn it on, and since it turns itself off when in auto-adjust mode, you have to pick a dot brightness you can live with, and hope the battery will last a good long while, if you don't want to take several seconds to manually turn it on. It's a fair range sight but it's not something I'd consider on a carry gun. Hey, thanks very much for the advice. That all makes good sense to me. Looking at the Holosun models. The 507k looks good, but maybe it's too small on my PPQ. I dunno. I need one of them "build a gun" apps I can view it before I decide. Lol. I figure if I try the plate on my PPQ and like it then maybe I would have my G48 milled next. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 1:40:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: It’s not the future. It’s now. Get with the program. Indeed. |
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Posted: 7/3/2020 8:18:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
[#19]
Checking my 15Y zero. Bottom 4 groups are off a rest. Top one is free standing confirmation (smidge over 1.5 inches)
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NH, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2020 12:27:31 PM EDT
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I just ordered a 407C from Kenzie's for my new 2.0 Compact,
I'm certainly not crazy about buying from a chinese company but I'm more than pleased with the 507C on my P10C, with a discount coupon it was $215, not that much more than a set of Trijicon HD's. I'll be in touch with Primary Machine next week, I'm pretty impressed with the M&P so far, I expect the RDS will be icing on the cake ! I dont expect it'll prove to be as accurate as the P10 but the ergonomics seem to fit me a little better. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2020 1:33:19 PM EDT
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When people say “I can’t find the dot,” what they are really saying is “My presentation is bad, my iron sights are misaligned, and I only have myself to blame, not the equipment.” If the dot is missing, the sights are misaligned and you don’t have a “good enough” sight picture.
 
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Posted: 7/6/2020 1:59:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DAVE_M: When people say "I can't find the dot," what they are really saying is "My presentation is bad, my iron sights are misaligned, and I only have myself to blame, not the equipment." If the dot is missing, the sights are misaligned and you don't have a "good enough" sight picture. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50083762302_3195ce4e95.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50082941883_1299067387.jpg I've thought about making this exact type of picture set. Would anyone who complains about not finding the dot take a shot with the Irons sight picture above? No way. The issue is they rely on their sights during their draw as a crutch since they don't have a good presentation. Target focus requires solid presentation. |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 2:24:47 PM EDT
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The dot is a great tool for cleaning up your presentation.
Most folks don’t even realize their presentation is garbage until they put a dot on their pistol. Just another instance where having a RDS can refine your pistol skills. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2020 5:03:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: +1 I've thought about making this exact type of picture set. Would anyone who complains about not finding the dot take a shot with the Irons sight picture above? No way. The issue is they rely on their sights during their draw as a crutch since they don't have a good presentation. Target focus requires solid presentation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: +1 I've thought about making this exact type of picture set. Would anyone who complains about not finding the dot take a shot with the Irons sight picture above? No way. The issue is they rely on their sights during their draw as a crutch since they don't have a good presentation. Target focus requires solid presentation. The stills came from a video I took trying to record the RMR window with my left hand while using my iphone to align the gun on target. I ended up wobbling the gun all over, because aiming SHO through a phone was strange. I chopped up the footage and it made for great reference material. Originally Posted By Mister_H: The dot is a great tool for cleaning up your presentation. Most folks don’t even realize their presentation is garbage until they put a dot on their pistol. Just another instance where having a RDS can refine your pistol skills. Yep. The other issue is that people have a bad presentation and subconsciously align their iron sights when they are misaligned, but don't realize they are doing it because it has been ingrained into their brain that it's the "right way." I posted the same photo set in a local forum and someone asked why even use the RDS if you have to look at your irons to align the gun onto target 
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Posted: 7/7/2020 10:35:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DAVE_M: When people say “I can’t find the dot,” what they are really saying is “My presentation is bad, my iron sights are misaligned, and I only have myself to blame, not the equipment.” If the dot is missing, the sights are misaligned and you don’t have a “good enough” sight picture. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50083762302_3195ce4e95.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50082941883_1299067387.jpg Well Done. cp |
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Posted: 7/7/2020 10:39:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Freehand 25Y ~ 2.6 inches with 147 gr. Digging the gen 5. Does seem to group a little better then my gen 3s
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Posted: 7/7/2020 7:50:01 PM EDT
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4th trip to the range with my new RDS..Two of those all day carbine/pistol classes..Intro classes but a fair amount of trigger time and quite a bit of dry fire in the house. Liking it so far. Not having near as much trouble finding the dot as I thought. Just had to overcome a bit of muzzle up on the presentation. Looks like the RDS is here to stay. Sorry if some of you were waiting for me to throw the whole slide and dot on the EE......
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Posted: 7/8/2020 11:44:41 AM EDT
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@FOOBOY
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Posted: 7/8/2020 12:26:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoteSlayer69: Damn this is embarrassing to type out.....I was the boomer that was firmly against RDS...Epic Haiku's....Much angst...ETC. After a short time with a RDS on my Glock 19......Yes they are the future and I wish I would have done it sooner. My presentation does need some work. Not much so I must have done something right all these years. And the max range I am confident at hitting at is increasing. It is what it is resist all you want. You can still do fine with Irons. Point shooting still works fine with an RDS...Besides cost. I cannot find a downside. And believe me if there really was one...I would have started a thread and LOUDLY pointed it out. Very proud of you. |
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Posted: 7/8/2020 5:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoteSlayer69: 4th trip to the range with my new RDS..Two of those all day carbine/pistol classes..Intro classes but a fair amount of trigger time and quite a bit of dry fire in the house. Liking it so far. Not having near as much trouble finding the dot as I thought. Just had to overcome a bit of muzzle up on the presentation. Looks like the RDS is here to stay. Sorry if some of you were waiting for me to throw the whole slide and dot on the EE......  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/9/2020 1:26:28 PM EDT
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Quick question for all the Type 2 peeps out there. Just received my first Type 2 RM01 but still waiting on the Bobro plate for my M18, it seems to have an ever so slight magnification / fisheye effect looking through the window. More so than a Deltapoint. Is this common?
I assume I will get used to it, but was just curious as to if this is normal. Cp |
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Posted: 7/9/2020 1:42:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eaglecp: Quick question for all the Type 2 peeps out there. Just received my first Type 2 RM01 but still waiting on the Bobro plate for my M18, it seems to have an ever so slight magnification / fisheye effect looking through the window. More so than a Deltapoint. Is this common? I assume I will get used to it, but was just curious as to if this is normal. Cp That said, it is something you don't notice when shooting on a timer and doesn't bother me anymore. Focus on the target and it all clicks ... when pistol is extended and optic aligned to target, it's greatly diminished. RM01 Type 2 is one of my favs. I have 2 and 1 RM06. |
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Posted: 7/9/2020 2:24:23 PM EDT
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Kind of figured it would be that way. It doesn't bother me really but I just wanted to check. Even my Deltapoint has a little nd you are right, it isnt noticable during shooting. Been using one of those for well of a year, but want something a little more durable for long term use.
One more Question, Is the battery compartment sealed or do I need to purchase some type of gasket? I read somewhere that the Bobro may come with something to seal it. I would think if it was needed Trijicon would send one with it? Thanks cp |
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Posted: 7/10/2020 10:05:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: It IS the future IMHO. And having an optic mounted to a pistol is no weirder than a flashlight slung under one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/C2517C82-1112-4563-8D82-0E0774C4FB9B_jpe-1271499.JPG |
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Posted: 7/10/2020 10:32:06 PM EDT
[#35]
I like em
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Posted: 7/10/2020 11:11:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunnerLEO: My department recently approved red dots for our new G17 MOS pistols. Most of the guys, myself included, who are very into guns are switching. The only officers not doing it are the ones who are too cheap, or the idiots who never practice/shoot with their weapons. I personally think red dots on pistols are the future. 20-30 years ago, everyone thought irons were just fine for rifles. Now, no serious military or police unit would even think about rifles without optics. Pistols are going the same way. PHX? |
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Posted: 7/11/2020 1:44:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Seiran]
[#37]
Quote HistoryDetails on the top one? @AKSU
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Posted: 7/11/2020 2:33:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seiran: Details on the top one? @AKSU |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2020 10:12:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AKSU]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Looks like jagerwerks given how shallow the cut is Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Seiran: Details on the top one? @AKSU Nailed it. Top one is Jagerwerks cut, RMR 06 Type 2, Overwatch trigger and magwell, Agency Barrel and 2 port comp, Ameriglo 429 sights, Wolff minus safety plunger spring and plus trigger spring. @Seiran |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 11:09:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU: Nailed it. Top one is Jagerwerks cut, RMR 06 Type 2, Overwatch trigger and magwell, Agency Barrel and 2 port comp, Ameriglo 429 sights, Wolff minus safety plunger spring and plus trigger spring. @Seiran |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 3:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3uzzard: PHX? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3uzzard: Originally Posted By AZgunnerLEO: My department recently approved red dots for our new G17 MOS pistols. Most of the guys, myself included, who are very into guns are switching. The only officers not doing it are the ones who are too cheap, or the idiots who never practice/shoot with their weapons. I personally think red dots on pistols are the future. 20-30 years ago, everyone thought irons were just fine for rifles. Now, no serious military or police unit would even think about rifles without optics. Pistols are going the same way. PHX? Close, medium sized department nearby. A number of local agencies are beginning to allow red dots. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlockaCGulz: Unplanned acquisition today. Now I need a threaded barrel and a holster. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/450356/5D5CB9DE-B76C-4AA7-AD96-82DB02CACC90-1479582.jpg Let me know which barrel you get, I'm looking for one. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Other 2 are AOS? Nice. Yes. Bottom one was originally an MOS. |
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Posted: 7/15/2020 12:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eaglecp: Kind of figured it would be that way. It doesn't bother me really but I just wanted to check. Even my Deltapoint has a little nd you are right, it isnt noticable during shooting. Been using one of those for well of a year, but want something a little more durable for long term use. One more Question, Is the battery compartment sealed or do I need to purchase some type of gasket? I read somewhere that the Bobro may come with something to seal it. I would think if it was needed Trijicon would send one with it? Thanks cp On an RMR the battery compartment is not inherently sealed. The bottom of the dot has a rubber gasket that needs to mate with a smooth surface that forms a complete seal. Bobro's website says their M17 plate forms that seal, I have one on order so later this week/next week I can confirm for you. Trijicon sells a sealing plate for use in cases where the mounting surface isn't sufficient. On my Grey Ghost Precision P320 slide for instance, the slide is narrower than the dot so a direct mount without that Trijicon plate wouldn't seal it properly. |
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Posted: 7/16/2020 11:13:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU: Nailed it. Top one is Jagerwerks cut, RMR 06 Type 2, Overwatch trigger and magwell, Agency Barrel and 2 port comp, Ameriglo 429 sights, Wolff minus safety plunger spring and plus trigger spring. @Seiran Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU: Originally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Seiran: Details on the top one? @AKSU Nailed it. Top one is Jagerwerks cut, RMR 06 Type 2, Overwatch trigger and magwell, Agency Barrel and 2 port comp, Ameriglo 429 sights, Wolff minus safety plunger spring and plus trigger spring. @Seiran |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 3:10:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: On an RMR the battery compartment is not inherently sealed. The bottom of the dot has a rubber gasket that needs to mate with a smooth surface that forms a complete seal. Bobro's website says their M17 plate forms that seal, I have one on order so later this week/next week I can confirm for you. Trijicon sells a sealing plate for use in cases where the mounting surface isn't sufficient. On my Grey Ghost Precision P320 slide for instance, the slide is narrower than the dot so a direct mount without that Trijicon plate wouldn't seal it properly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By eaglecp: Kind of figured it would be that way. It doesn't bother me really but I just wanted to check. Even my Deltapoint has a little nd you are right, it isnt noticable during shooting. Been using one of those for well of a year, but want something a little more durable for long term use. One more Question, Is the battery compartment sealed or do I need to purchase some type of gasket? I read somewhere that the Bobro may come with something to seal it. I would think if it was needed Trijicon would send one with it? Thanks cp On an RMR the battery compartment is not inherently sealed. The bottom of the dot has a rubber gasket that needs to mate with a smooth surface that forms a complete seal. Bobro's website says their M17 plate forms that seal, I have one on order so later this week/next week I can confirm for you. Trijicon sells a sealing plate for use in cases where the mounting surface isn't sufficient. On my Grey Ghost Precision P320 slide for instance, the slide is narrower than the dot so a direct mount without that Trijicon plate wouldn't seal it properly. Received and installed the BOBRO and it does come with a Sealing plate. I see what you mean about the gasket. Thanks for the info |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 3:25:21 PM EDT
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If I get my G19.3 milled for a 507K, and then decide to change to a RM06 type 2, will it fit as well? Also is the 507K a good size for a G19.3?
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Posted: 7/17/2020 3:42:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SiGfever: If I get my G19.3 milled for a 507K, and then decide to change to a RM06 type 2, will it fit as well? Also is the 507K a good size for a G19.3? the 507k is for thinner slides. Window is smaller too. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 4:34:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SiGfever]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Get a standard 407/507/Rmr cut for a g19. the 507k is for thinner slides. Window is smaller too. So just get a HS507C V2? If I did get a RMR, would the RM06 Type 2 (RM06-C-700672) be the one to get? |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 5:52:42 PM EDT
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