Hello,
Just got a new production X5 Legion and like it so far.  It has around a 3.5lbs trigger pull which is nice, but it is a rolling pull the whole way with no real discernible wall.  Anyway to get a more distinct break?

Also what weight recoil spring is recommended with 124/147gr bullets?  Mine came with the red/orange #12 installed.

Thanks!

I put THIS and THIS in my M18.  World of difference!  My new favorite shooter!!

I second this. I have the Keres Adjustable Trigger for over travel and pretravel adjustments + the NEW Apex P320 trigger bar (works with manual now). I originally purchased the Competition Greyguns trigger set, but I think I'm only using the sear and the lightest return spring. Tactical pontoon makes a good sear spring set for like $20. Be aware that if you use the forwarded set trigger bar from Apex, the trigger pull weight increases because leverage point changes. With my above/below mentions, I think I'm clocking around 3 - 3.5 lbs AVG pull with 0 creep, 0 overtravel, and 0 pretravel and a super clean feeling break. Obviously that can be adjusted. It's SOOOOOO nice now.

So in short of you want to deck out your P320 for the best pull/weight possible with a discernable wall/break try:
- Keres P320 Pro Adjust Trigger OR Armorycraft P320 Adjustable Trigger
- Apex P320 forward set trigger bar w/ the pretravel stop
- Greyguns Custom Sear
- Greyguns Return spring for lighter weight (you have 2 springs to choose from)
- Tactical Pontoon Sear Spring set
- For higher pull/return weight, companies like Armorycraft or Galloway or many other makes a 10% increased return spring, which yields about 1 - 1.5 lbs increase.

So what does the Apex trigger bar get you if the trigger already has pretravel adjustment built in?

...already ordered the armory craft trigger and the apex trigger bar but now that i've stopped to think about it I'm wondering if I should just return the trigger bar.

Trigger bar shortens the total travel of the trigger.  The overtravel that comes with the trigger bar is generic only.  The Keres adjustable trigger can be very finely tuned for both reset and overtravel. I used the trigger bar but not the overtravel part with the kit.

Can you use the Apex trigger bar with the stock (M17) trigger?

Yes, but I would buy directly from Apex. The trigger bar was recently updated for manual safety. Before, it didn't not work with manual so old suppliers might have the old one.

Hmmm...  do you know how recent or a way to tell the difference?  I bought the Apex trigger bar and straight trigger and didn't like the straight trigger so I removed everything and went back to stock.  I don't have a safety, so not sure if it matters.

The non-safety trigger bar can easily be altered to fit the M17/M18.  Just a little trim work.  The non-safety version has a hook.  Black in the picture.  Trim that off and good to go.  

Hmmm...  here's the one I bought 4-5 months ago.  I guess it's a new one since it has the hook for the safety, but I ran it on the M17 w/ no safety and it seemed to run fine.  I just didn't like the flat trigger.  I wouldn't mind running the trigger bar with the stock trigger, but didn't know if they would work together.


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I just looked it up on Apex's website.  You can buy just the Apex trigger bar for the P320 and this is what is says:

The bar WITH the hook on the end is for the NON-safety version.  If you have the safety and don't want to remove it, you will have to trim the hook off if you use the APEX.

This is the old version. They legit just released the new one within the last month or two. On the Apex website, it shows a pic of the new one, which looks different than the pic you showed. It's the same link. I received the Apex bar about a week and a half ago and it was the new one.

In terms of making the trigger break more crisp and less spongy, apparently it's an issue with the striker assembly. Some are clean and crisp and others are super spongey.

If that's the standard recoil spring, should work with any factory ammo, 115/124/147 grain bullets.

For what it's worth, I do think the trigger return spring effects how crisp the break feels. I changed my spring from the Grayguns lighter spring to a -20% IVI spring. It's a tad smaller than this spring and has a different geometry in which the spring is wound. It made the break feels better without effecting pull weight vs the lightweight Grayguns spring.