Obscured Red Dot - still make hits

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Obscured Red Dot - still make hits

Posted: 4/8/2021 11:25:46 PM EDT

I was out shooting last year and made this video on a whim, but have done this multiple times. It works much easier with rifles because your reference point is more consistent using a stock. But I figured I’d post this so as to help cure anyone’s concern that an obscured red dot can’t be effective.

As you can see, the RMR’s front aperture is blocked with black tape. Using two eyes while shooting, the dominant eye will pick up the dot and your non-dominant eye will produce the picture of the target clearly. I’m no obstetrician, but your eyes will work together and hardly notice the optic is blocked. Try it for yourself.

Obviously, if the RMR was blocked at the rear aperture, you would not see the dot in the glass at all.

Pistol is a Gen 4, Glock 19 with ATEi milled slide and serrations. The shots were taken at 25 yards on steel that’s 10x12”.

https://youtu.be/6heDoEjCB8A

Posted: 4/9/2021 12:03:46 AM EDT

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You essentially created an Occluded Eye Gunsight (OEG). They’ve been around for quite awhile, but yes, it works.

Posted: 4/9/2021 12:07:21 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/9/2021 12:40:43 AM EDT

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Exactly. Thanks for sharing.

Posted: 4/9/2021 12:52:16 AM EDT

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I should keep a pic of my AR180 for times like this

Posted: 4/9/2021 8:59:31 AM EDT

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Yes, fine. BUT not the same as having the 'screen' wet or dusty.

Posted: 4/9/2021 7:04:32 PM EDT

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Well, as stated, I did say if the obscuration came from the front of the dot, not where the diode comes from, it could be anything, as the dot won’t be bloomed or blocked, etc. So what’s your point?

Posted: 4/10/2021 4:20:55 PM EDT

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o really? The LED burns through all that. I after trying for a while to get water to pool on the emitter and misting the screen - still worked.

Water Test 1

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Posted: 4/10/2021 8:40:16 PM EDT

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o really? The LED burns through all that. I after trying for a while to get water to pool on the emitter and misting the screen - still worked.

Water Test 1

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Thanks for sharing. I haven’t tried that yet.

Posted: 4/10/2021 8:55:12 PM EDT

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An acquaintance of mine shoots a 1911 with no sights of any sort. The slide has empty dovetails.

USPSA master

You should see him clear a Texas Star!

Posted: 4/10/2021 9:13:24 PM EDT

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before red dots with see-through glass were a thing....there were red dots without see-through glass.

Guys were using these in Vietnam in 1970.

Posted: 4/10/2021 10:37:53 PM EDT

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One of the reasons I prefer irons forward. You get the full window for the dot, even if site partially obstructs window, not true for irons rear,

Posted: 4/10/2021 10:48:55 PM EDT

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One of the reasons I prefer irons forward. You get the full window for the dot, even if site partially obstructs window, not true for irons rear,

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This is the way

Posted: 4/14/2021 6:00:59 PM EDT

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I played around with this years ago when I got my first red dot. Shooting with the front cover closed, it was easy to get hits. However, I did notice some POI shift.

Posted: 4/22/2021 10:40:19 PM EDT

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I have to agree. I recently set up my P320 this way and it's faster to use and better in every way.

Posted: 4/22/2021 10:57:55 PM EDT

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Bindon Aiming Concept

Posted: 4/23/2021 6:19:50 PM EDT

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the RMR’s front aperture is blocked with black tape. Using two eyes while shooting, the dominant eye will pick up the dot and your non-dominant eye will produce the picture of the target clearly. I’m no obstetrician, but your eyes will work together and hardly notice the optic is blocked. Try it for yourself.

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I recently attended a red-dot shooting clinic and the instructor had us try this very technique.

He asked us, "Are you looking at your target or are you looking at your dot?"
Class: "yeah - I'm looking at my target"
Instructor: "Are you sure?"

...then he proceeds to slap a strip of painters tape over every students optic.

It was an eye opening moment and it "forces" you to learn to shoot with a target focus.
Having shot & competed with pistols for years - we have "front sight focus" burned into out brains. Pistol red dots are most effective with a hard target focus.

I spent the next 3 weeks dry-firing with painters tape over my glass to make sure I was using a "target focus"

This is a great exercise for anyone transitioning to dots.

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