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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:47:07 PM EDT
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Also wondering myself.....
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Posted: 5/22/2023 8:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also wondering myself..... It’s a good deal if it’s worth a darn. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 12:10:50 AM EDT
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I’d bet it’s pretty decent, I mean Poland is generally regarded pretty highly when it comes to arms and ammo. I’ve used some Mesko 308 from the 80s and I had no issues. That’s a screaming deal for hot 124gr 9mm nato.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 9:26:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d bet it’s pretty decent, I mean Poland is generally regarded pretty highly when it comes to arms and ammo. I’ve used some Mesko 308 from the 80s and I had no issues. That’s a screaming deal for hot 124gr 9mm nato. That’s the issue.. we don’t know how ‘hot’ it is. Could be like the SAR stuff. I’m also concerned about the primers and if they will reliably work in a Glock. I messaged the seller so I’ll see what they say. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 6:40:49 PM EDT
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Just ordered a case
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Posted: 5/23/2023 7:08:37 PM EDT
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Link?
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Posted: 5/23/2023 7:23:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link? @Jeff556 https://shop.tacticalshit.com/mesko-9mm-124gr-fmj-1152rd-case I found a video in Polish on YouTube.. i think this stuff will be 2019 head stamped. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 8:50:07 AM EDT
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Ordered a case
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Posted: 5/24/2023 12:27:47 PM EDT
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After you pay the $35.00 freight it's .26 cents a round , I would rather go with a know brand with good primers that aren't too hard . SG has real Winchester 124 grain nato for about the same price landed. Why take the chance ?
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Posted: 5/24/2023 12:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After you pay the $35.00 freight it's .26 cents a round , I would rather go with a know brand with good primers that aren't too hard . SG has real Winchester 124 grain nato for about the same price landed. Why take the chance ? The win 9mm nato from SG is .30rd landed for me after tax. I’ve already got several thousand rounds of win nato. This Polish nato looks intriguing and was .25rd delivered for me. Yea I took a chance but I think it will work out. As a side note win nato has been spotty with sealed primers and projectiles. .05rd is $50 on 1000, that’s a significant difference IMHO. But again, I was looking for something different than win. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 1:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ordered a case Nice. I held out for as long as I could but desire got them best of me. @whiskerz Here is the YouTube video I found. . It’s in Polish so no clue what he is saying. The video shows ‘19 head stamps. Not sure how true the following is but I read somewhere else that the 20rd boxes are for civi and the 24rd boxes are for mil. Other than that not much info on this stuff. I’d like to run some through a chrono but all I have is a magneto speed. Maybe I’ll buy a cheap Caldwell
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Posted: 5/24/2023 1:18:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s the issue.. we don’t know how ‘hot’ it is. Could be like the SAR stuff. I’m also concerned about the primers and if they will reliably work in a Glock. I messaged the seller so I’ll see what they say. Hopefully you try some in a Glock soon and let us know how it works. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 1:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully you try some in a Glock soon and let us know how it works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s the issue.. we don’t know how ‘hot’ it is. Could be like the SAR stuff. I’m also concerned about the primers and if they will reliably work in a Glock. I messaged the seller so I’ll see what they say. Hopefully you try some in a Glock soon and let us know how it works. I’ve got a gen 5 19 and 34 that I’ll fire a mag In each as soon as it arrives… maybe a few mags as they both need to be zero’d. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 2:14:46 PM EDT
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1000 rounds of Q4318 is $259.99 landed plus tax at SG . Have you found a vendor that doesn't charge sales tax.?
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Posted: 5/24/2023 2:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve got a gen 5 19 and 34 that I’ll fire a mag In each as soon as it arrives… maybe a few mags as they both need to be zero’d. Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 3:15:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1000 rounds of Q4318 is $259.99 landed plus tax at SG . Have you found a vendor that doesn't charge sales tax.? That’s OOS. I was going off their instock option which is 750rds for $209. After tax it’s .30rd. The OOS option you posted would be .28rd delivered after NC tax. The only in stock 1k option for win nato at SG ammo that is see is $359 per k. The vendor with the Polish ammo doesn’t charge tax, Shawarms.. and there are several others. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 4:26:43 PM EDT
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If ammo is cheap, but not very reliable it makes terrific practice ammo. The reasons I say it makes great practice ammo (as long as it is safe, not overpressure) are:
1. When the rounds don't fire, I can see if I have flinch or if I have good trigger control. 2. When rounds don't fire, I first have to determine the nature of the malfunction before I can correct it. The better I get at diagnosing the malfunctions, the faster I can clear the malfunction. 3. Any time I have to diagnose and clear a malfunction, I can get better at dealing with various malfunctions. 4. Between #1 and #3 my overall skill at both shooting and dealing with malfunctions improves. I expect that cheap ammo won't be as accurate as my "good" ammo, and that is OK too. All I need to know is what to expect from that lot of ammo. If my "good" ammo will normally shoot groups of .75 to 1.25 inches, and the cheap ammo prints 2.25 to 3.00 inches I can adjust my practice drill expectations accordingly. I won't be expecting the practice ammo to shoot 1.5" groups because I know the ammo is not capable of that. However, if I am shooting 2.5" groups with the practice ammo, I'm only shooting groups that are a quarter of an inch larger than that ammo is capable of, so I'm doing OK. All the above rambling is why I don't mind using cheap ammo for practice, as long as it is safe. and won't damage my firearm. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 5:16:13 PM EDT
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Is this stuff Corrosive and Berdan primed like the Mesko brass cased 9mm Makarov that has been on the market lately?
ETA: Website says "Reloadable" and Non Corrosive. Hope they are right! |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 10:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this stuff Corrosive and Berdan primed like the Mesko brass cased 9mm Makarov that has been on the market lately? ETA: Website says "Reloadable" and Non Corrosive. Hope they are right! Berdan primers are technically re-loadable - just not easily de-primed! If the ammo is actual NATO mil-spec issue wouldn't it have the cross in circle marking? I agree Polish ammo is typically good - shot a lot of Polish 7.62 tok in the day. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 7:08:31 AM EDT
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Found some other information that these may be a wwii reproduction limited commemorative run.
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/9x19mm-mesko-polish-pre-ww2-reproduction-box-with-ammunition-for-sale-in-poland-special-limited-edition-including-7-62x39mm-7-62x51mm-boxes-headstamps/44569 |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 7:18:02 AM EDT
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Interesting read on the history of Polish ammunition manufacturing
https://sadefensejournal.com/mesko-polands-ammunition-maker/ |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 8:02:16 AM EDT
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So Repro WW2 ammo? Interesting a ammo mfr would do that - however is it modern boxer primers and powder ? Just repro packaging and headstamps? Why use 124 if WW2 replica?
If they didn't use 115 why would they bother to use they would bother with berdan and corrosive powders 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 8:34:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Repro WW2 ammo? Interesting a ammo mfr would do that - however is it modern boxer primers and powder ? Just repro packaging and headstamps? Why use 124 if WW2 replica? If they didn't use 115 why would they bother to use they would bother with berdan and corrosive powders The other link I posted about their history states that they made 124gr as well as 115gr during wwii. It appears the packaging is the same as wwii era polish ammo as well as the headstamps (with the 19 headstamp). I’ll verify once I get them. I need to buy a bullet puller and a chrono |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:47:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s OOS. I was going off their instock option which is 750rds for $209. After tax it’s .30rd. The OOS option you posted would be .28rd delivered after NC tax. The only in stock 1k option for win nato at SG ammo that is see is $359 per k. The vendor with the Polish ammo doesn’t charge tax, Shawarms.. and there are several others. No it's not, it's $259.99 |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 1:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it's not, it's $259.99 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s OOS. I was going off their instock option which is 750rds for $209. After tax it’s .30rd. The OOS option you posted would be .28rd delivered after NC tax. The only in stock 1k option for win nato at SG ammo that is see is $359 per k. The vendor with the Polish ammo doesn’t charge tax, Shawarms.. and there are several others. No it's not, it's $259.99 It literally came back In stock yesterday. It was not in stock when you made your post or when I replied to you. Either way It’s more money than the Polish Mesko. And again I’ve got several cases of win nato. I was looking for something different. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 6:22:40 PM EDT
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Ordered on the 24th and no ship notice yet. I guess the delivers in 7-14 days was optimistic
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Posted: 6/4/2023 9:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ordered on the 24th and no ship notice yet. I guess the delivers in 7-14 days was optimistic Same. The 7th will be 14 days. I’m gonna call on the 8th if it doesn’t arrive on the 7th.. but it could be business days
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Posted: 6/7/2023 5:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ordered on the 24th and no ship notice yet. I guess the delivers in 7-14 days was optimistic @whiskerz I emailed them yesterday and got a response today. The rep said it will be out this week. We will see. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @whiskerz I emailed them yesterday and got a response today. The rep said it will be out this week. We will see. The response I got was to quote the website where it says delivered.in 7-14 days. It did not make it . Still no ship notice. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 6:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The response I got was to quote the website where it says delivered.in 7-14 days. It did not make it . Still no ship notice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @whiskerz I emailed them yesterday and got a response today. The rep said it will be out this week. We will see. The response I got was to quote the website where it says delivered.in 7-14 days. It did not make it . Still no ship notice. @whiskerz Got ship notice at 3:47pm today. Ups tracking |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 11:21:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @whiskerz Got ship notice at 3:47pm today. Ups tracking Got mine a few minutes before you did. Delivers in 7-14 days . More like ships at our leisure. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 7:30:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got mine a few minutes before you did. Delivers in 7-14 days . More like ships at our leisure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @whiskerz Got ship notice at 3:47pm today. Ups tracking Got mine a few minutes before you did. Delivers in 7-14 days . More like ships at our leisure. Yea super slow to ship for sure. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 2:07:37 PM EDT
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IMHO, I can't see why anyone would want to gamble to save a few penny's on unknown Polish ammo ,instead of the best top quality American made Ammo with a known and proven track record from a first class vendor like SG that ships fast . If it's rock bottom price your after check out Aim ,they have brass CCI Blazer for $11.99 a box of 50.
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Posted: 6/10/2023 3:33:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMHO, I can't see why anyone would want to gamble to save a few penny's on unknown Polish ammo ,instead of the best top quality American made Ammo with a known and proven track record from a first class vendor like SG that ships fast . I’ve gone over that at least one time in this thread. To elaborate on a previous post. The Win nato that’s available to civilians has hit or miss sealant. It’s either seconds due to no sealant, or they don’t put sealant on for the civilian market. Still great ammo. But as I mentioned at least once before, this caught my eye as I was looking for something different. I’ve already got several thousand rounds of win nato.. and several thousand of ppu nato (which is higher quality than win imho). |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 4:56:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve gone over that at least one time in this thread. To elaborate on a previous post. The Win nato that’s available to civilians has hit or miss sealant. It’s either seconds due to no sealant, or they don’t put sealant on for the civilian market. Still great ammo. But as I mentioned at least once before, this caught my eye as I was looking for something different. I’ve already got several thousand rounds of win nato.. and several thousand of ppu nato (which is higher quality than win imho). Strange, the last PPU 124 grain I got in 2022 was in a white box and the primers weren't sealed . It was also dirty and required my pistols to be cleaned more often than the Winchester. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 5:49:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Strange, the last PPU 124 grain I got in 2022 was in a white box and the primers weren't sealed . It was also dirty and required my pistols to be cleaned more often than the Winchester. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve gone over that at least one time in this thread. To elaborate on a previous post. The Win nato that’s available to civilians has hit or miss sealant. It’s either seconds due to no sealant, or they don’t put sealant on for the civilian market. Still great ammo. But as I mentioned at least once before, this caught my eye as I was looking for something different. I’ve already got several thousand rounds of win nato.. and several thousand of ppu nato (which is higher quality than win imho). Strange, the last PPU 124 grain I got in 2022 was in a white box and the primers weren't sealed . It was also dirty and required my pistols to be cleaned more often than the Winchester. Likely wasn’t nato spec. Cases I bought were back around 2018 or so. IIRC they are a light green box and are double sealed. Either way, win nato has largly been unsealed in the last several years that I’ve bought it. ETa: I bought some ppu 124gr that was advertised as nato spec about 6months ago from a well known vendor here. Upon receiving it was obviously not nato spec, so I returned it for a refund. It was in a blue box. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 11:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Jeff556 https://shop.tacticalshit.com/mesko-9mm-124gr-fmj-1152rd-case I found a video in Polish on YouTube.. i think this stuff will be 2019 head stamped. I have some 7.62x51 in the same boxes. Clean and accurate out of my M14. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 11:57:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have some 7.62x51 in the same boxes. Clean and accurate out of my M14. As far as I know , rifle powder is different than pistol powder, and the M14 is piston/opp rod driven and going to have less of a problem with powder residue in the chamber and action. 4895 is what I use in the .308 M14 ,and I never seen anyone/brand of ammo load 9 with , 4895 ,and that is what this post is about . 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 7:07:23 PM EDT
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My ammo is supposed to arrive tomorrow
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Posted: 6/13/2023 7:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My ammo is supposed to arrive tomorrow Same. Do you have a chrono you can run some through? |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 7:44:16 PM EDT
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Arrived!! Beautifully packaged, sealed primers, 2019 head stamp, with eagle etc. will shoot some this weekend and pull a bullet.
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Posted: 6/14/2023 7:44:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:16:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 12:45:28 PM EDT
[#44]
No Chrono . The ammo looks like yours. Packed well
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Posted: 6/23/2023 3:07:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1000 rounds of Q4318 is $259.99 landed plus tax at SG . Have you found a vendor that doesn't charge sales tax.? From Winchester's site below says velocity is 1140 fps on the box. On the table below that it says 1200 fps. Which is correct? https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Handgun/USA/Q4318 |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:46:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From Winchester's site below says velocity is 1140 fps on the box. On the table below that it says 1200 fps. Which is correct? https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Handgun/USA/Q4318 Knowing Winchester probably neither.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:08:12 AM EDT
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@Duck_Hunt boxer or berdan primed? Corrosive? There is a thread in GD where some .308 turned out to be corrosive.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:09:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Duck_Hunt boxer or berdan primed? Corrosive? There is a thread in GD where some .308 turned out to be corrosive. @whiskerz yea I saw that thread  I haven’t shot any yet as I’ve been covered up with cutting trees, gardening, building chicken tractors, installing windows etc. I’ll fire a few today to see how they are primed and I’ll post in here what I find. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:26:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @whiskerz yea I saw that thread I haven’t shot any yet as I’ve been covered up with cutting trees, gardening, building chicken tractors, installing windows etc. I’ll fire a few today to see how they are primed and I’ll post in here what I find. I figured you had the one already pulled apart. Not really worried about Boxer or Berdan. Both can be corrosive or not. Just fire the empty case with a bare nail inside or at a bare steel plate . It will rust in a day or so if corrosive. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 4:33:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured you had the one already pulled apart. Not really worried about Boxer or Berdan. Both can be corrosive or not. Just fire the empty case with a bare nail inside or at a bare steel plate . It will rust in a day or so if corrosive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @whiskerz yea I saw that thread I haven’t shot any yet as I’ve been covered up with cutting trees, gardening, building chicken tractors, installing windows etc. I’ll fire a few today to see how they are primed and I’ll post in here what I find. I figured you had the one already pulled apart. Not really worried about Boxer or Berdan. Both can be corrosive or not. Just fire the empty case with a bare nail inside or at a bare steel plate . It will rust in a day or so if corrosive. Yea duh . I’ll see if I can fire case on bare steel in the next few days.  Attached File |
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