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Posted: 6/11/2018 9:57:26 AM EDT
 Colt 1911 .45 ACP Torture Test - Gauntlet |
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Posted: 6/11/2018 1:19:24 PM EDT
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I watched, went about as well as I expected. Whatever was stuck in it worked its way out near the end, sigh.
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Posted: 6/11/2018 8:05:25 PM EDT
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I could critique his test a bit, but really, who takes these tests seriously anyway? They're for entertainment, IMO. A G19 lasted 1 rnd in the InRange mud test.
Carry what you like, make sure it's reliable to realistic standards, and ignore these torture tests. No matter what gun I'm carrying, if it gets dumped in sand or mud, I'm going to expect a malfunction. |
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Posted: 6/11/2018 8:10:41 PM EDT
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While I HATE glock fanboi stuff, the g17 ran that test like a boss. But the ole 1911 did ok IMO
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Posted: 6/11/2018 8:47:54 PM EDT
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While torture tests have some limited merit for police and military purposes, they really don’t have any relevance for the typical ccw carrier. While I have taken a few swamp pond and lake dives in my time the concept of full mud dirt or sand immersion being remotely realistic is ludicrous. I rotate glocks revolvers 1911. They will all do the job
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Posted: 6/11/2018 8:51:15 PM EDT
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These tests aren't scientific, but data can be gathered nonetheless.
I don't expect a 100+ year old design to perform as well as some modern offerings, I still like 1911s for what they are. |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 10:08:58 PM EDT
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I would be willing to bet a vintage Colt series 70 1911 from the 1920's to the early 1970's would have faired
better in the tests than the "modern" series 80 Colt 1911's which can be more problematic in such tests with dirt and debris being more readily available to get into the firing mechanism...? However, it is rather unrealistic that someone would purposely put a pistol to such harsh conditions of sand, water, and mud without Immediately cleaning it... Any pistol will fail at some point when subjected to the same tests as the 1911 pistol went through in the video. With that said, the MAC is a great channel to follow and always enjoy his videos on YT... |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 11:40:51 PM EDT
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I would be willing to bet a vintage Colt series 70 1911 from the 1920's to the early 1970's would have faired better in the tests than the "modern" series 80 Colt 1911's which can be more problematic in such tests with dirt and debris being more readily available to get into the firing mechanism...? However, it is rather unrealistic that someone would purposely put a pistol to such harsh conditions of sand, water, and mud without Immediately cleaning it... Any pistol will fail at some point when subjected to the same tests as the 1911 pistol went through in the video. With that said, the MAC is a great channel to follow and always enjoy his videos on YT... |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 9:29:12 AM EDT
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Unlikely my 1911 will be exposed to much mud (ect..) in the facility or parking lot of Wal-Mart, Kroger, Publix, restaurants.
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Posted: 6/13/2018 10:50:43 AM EDT
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Interesting test. My Les Baer ran after being tossed in wet farm clay, but it’s not a Colt milspec-ish 1911 either.
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Posted: 6/13/2018 2:23:49 PM EDT
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I built up a 1911 on a surplus parts kit and since I had a minimum amount of money invested in it, I once buried it in a sand pile and stepped on it pretty good. After a quick shake it fired all the rounds in the magazine, but it was not happy about it.
I repeated the test with the hammer cocked and locked, and it again fired the whole mag, but the thumb safety and all the controls got very difficult to move around and the trigger pull increased to about 12 pounds. After about three or four repetitions of this cycle, it finally refused to go into battery. It performed better than I expected and I'm perfectly comfortable with its reliability. Most of what it has to deal with now is pocket / holster lint. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 8:38:34 PM EDT
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I once threw a Les Baer downrange with the slide locked back after every mag for about 20 mags or so. It ran well. Every couple of tosses the trigger would get stuck from sand between the trigger bow and the frame. I’d swish it out in a water trough and back to shooting.
I did the same thing with a Glock 21 for science and it didn’t fare as well as the Baer. The trigger on it would get stuck and fail to reset. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 9:00:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/15/2018 1:13:49 AM EDT
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Like others have said, these tests aren't scientific and are for entertainment. It would make more sense for gun to be cleaned and lubed between each element test instead of being rinsed in water, but that would be a pain in the ass. The odds that you would drop your handgun in water, sand, dirt, and mud all together is unrealistic, but I get that it is meant to push the firearm to its limits. Remember that the original GI 1911s were built so that you could take a part from every manufacturer and build a 1911 from those mixed parts. Most modern 1911s are built tight and require fitting. I wonder how an original WW1/WW2 era 1911 would fare in these tests?
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Posted: 6/15/2018 10:39:29 AM EDT
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Drama queen off his meds https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2275/0794CA8D-CF32-4DB1-96BF-E5AD73F099AC-574982.JPG Love my 1911’s |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 10:57:39 AM EDT
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Makes me feel better about never having watched any of his videos. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drama queen off his meds https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2275/0794CA8D-CF32-4DB1-96BF-E5AD73F099AC-574982.JPG Love my 1911's |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 11:19:05 AM EDT
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I've tried a couple of times, he just irritates the fuck out of me, like Hicuck does. Don't know why, but I can't stand watching either of them. |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 8:03:01 AM EDT
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How so? Since the problems he had I can’t see how they are related to being 80 series? better since there are less parts to get gummed up and fail in a series 70 design...Also, the WW1 and WW2 era pistols had "looser" tolerances and perhaps being able to fair better in such tests... Of course their are two schools of thought on this: A) Looser tolerances will let dirt and debris escape out of the pistol... B) Tight tolerances will not let much dirt and debris get into the pistol in the first place and thus better reliability... Again, any rifle or pistol will fail when subjected to such tests... |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 8:51:26 AM EDT
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I like MAC's Gauntlet tests but this one seemed odd to me, in the sense that it directly contradicts my own direct experience, and the results I've seen from other 1911 tests.
Kinda weird. |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 9:06:07 AM EDT
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I watched, went about as well as I expected. Whatever was stuck in it worked its way out near the end, sigh. Good job MAC, wherever you are? |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 10:26:13 PM EDT
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Correct, I was just noting that a series 70 type of WW1 or WW2 vintage or commercial version may have faired better since there are less parts to get gummed up and fail in a series 70 design...Also, the WW1 and WW2 era pistols had "looser" tolerances and perhaps being able to fair better in such tests... Of course their are two schools of thought on this: A) Looser tolerances will let dirt and debris escape out of the pistol... B) Tight tolerances will not let much dirt and debris get into the pistol in the first place and thus better reliability... Again, any rifle or pistol will fail when subjected to such tests... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How so? Since the problems he had I can’t see how they are related to being 80 series? better since there are less parts to get gummed up and fail in a series 70 design...Also, the WW1 and WW2 era pistols had "looser" tolerances and perhaps being able to fair better in such tests... Of course their are two schools of thought on this: A) Looser tolerances will let dirt and debris escape out of the pistol... B) Tight tolerances will not let much dirt and debris get into the pistol in the first place and thus better reliability... Again, any rifle or pistol will fail when subjected to such tests... |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 10:27:16 PM EDT
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Yeah. Luckily for us we don't have to rely on 100yr old technology and have much more innovative designs like the SIG 320/365. Good job MAC, wherever you are? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I watched, went about as well as I expected. Whatever was stuck in it worked its way out near the end, sigh. Good job MAC, wherever you are? 
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Posted: 6/16/2018 11:05:18 PM EDT
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Correct, I was just noting that a series 70 type of WW1 or WW2 vintage or commercial version may have faired better since there are less parts to get gummed up and fail in a series 70 design...Also, the WW1 and WW2 era pistols had "looser" tolerances and perhaps being able to fair better in such tests... Of course their are two schools of thought on this: A) Looser tolerances will let dirt and debris escape out of the pistol... B) Tight tolerances will not let much dirt and debris get into the pistol in the first place and thus better reliability... Again, any rifle or pistol will fail when subjected to such tests... |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 6:13:11 AM EDT
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I like MAC's Gauntlet tests but this one seemed odd to me, in the sense that it directly contradicts my own direct experience, and the results I've seen from other 1911 tests. Kinda weird. |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 9:50:22 AM EDT
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Looked like debris got caught in the disconnector channel based on the malfunctions he was getting.
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Posted: 6/17/2018 8:32:50 PM EDT
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Vickers or somebody did a sand test years ago with several pistols.
IIRC a custom 1911 performed better than anything (including a GI 1911). Once sand/mud gets into a gun, it is not going to work. The key is keeping it out. |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 9:09:20 PM EDT
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I think part of the problem with his elements test is his piss poor choice of lubrication. CLP sucks, period. I wonder how many of the pistols he "tests" would fare better if he used better lubrication.
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Posted: 6/17/2018 9:11:45 PM EDT
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Vickers or somebody did a sand test years ago with several pistols. IIRC a custom 1911 performed better than anything (including a GI 1911). Once sand/mud gets into a gun, it is not going to work. The key is keeping it out. |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 9:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve done a lot of sand and dirt 1911 shooting and I have always had the best reliability with tight guns. Baer, Springfield Custom, Wilson Combat. |
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Posted: 6/17/2018 9:15:13 PM EDT
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I think part of the problem with his elements test is his piss poor choice of lubrication. CLP sucks, period. I wonder how many of the pistols he "tests" would fare better if he used better lubrication. Notice that none of his failures had anything to do with locking, extracting, feeding, or ejecting. They were all failures to go into battery. I wonder if mags would've helped too actually. My hypothesis is that Wilson mags introduce less friction because they release cartridges sooner. |
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Posted: 6/18/2018 9:36:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Notice that none of his failures had anything to do with locking, extracting, feeding, or ejecting. They were all [u]failures to go into battery[/u]. 
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Posted: 6/18/2018 2:05:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/18/2018 2:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not really an issue with feed/barrel ramp geometry though. That's an issue with slide velocity. |
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Posted: 6/18/2018 8:55:39 PM EDT
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You can have a fast enough slide speed but if there's a geometry issue with the feedramp, locking surfaces, or extractor that would cause the slide velocity to drop suddenly, causing a failure to chamber its not related to the side speed. My suspicion was that the GI grip safety with its wide openings that allow debris in the gun, allowed debris to get into the disconnector channel and keep the disconnector stuck in the up position and the slide got caught on it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2018 9:20:09 PM EDT
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He never expected the pistol to make it through the test. I can't stand the guy...
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Posted: 6/18/2018 9:47:06 PM EDT
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He is such the stereotype tactial timmy with the beard and all. Who can watch that channel?
Lots of folks I guess, but not me. |
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Posted: 6/19/2018 9:49:43 AM EDT
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That's not really an issue with feed/barrel ramp geometry though. That's an issue with slide velocity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/19/2018 1:23:02 PM EDT
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He never expected the pistol to make it through the test. I can't stand the guy... |
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Posted: 6/19/2018 1:26:46 PM EDT
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He is such the stereotype tactial timmy with the beard and all. Who can watch that channel? Lots of folks I guess, but not me. |
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Posted: 6/20/2018 8:26:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point was failure to go into battery is a feeding issue. If something gets in the disconnector channel and drags on the slide, preventing it from getting the necessary velocity to close into battery, that's not a failure to feed. |
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Posted: 6/20/2018 9:07:29 AM EDT
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I disagree. A feed issue is where the gun has improper geometry of some sort and the feeding of the cartridge is the malfunction. If something gets in the disconnector channel and drags on the slide, preventing it from getting the necessary velocity to close into battery, that's not a failure to feed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: My point was failure to go into battery is a feeding issue. If something gets in the disconnector channel and drags on the slide, preventing it from getting the necessary velocity to close into battery, that's not a failure to feed. Imo, any failure to feed, is a failure to feed. |
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