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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:50:13 AM EDT
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Awesome, the latest update provided the history on my pistol too! It was with the: 0502 IN BN 01 CO A RIFLE COMP Cass 1st Battalion 502nd Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Rifle Comp is just an abbreviation indicating that the unit is a traditional rifle company. In an Infantry Battalion you typically have: HHC- Headquarters, Headquarters Company (contains specialty platoons such as CBRN, Commo, Sniper, Scout, Mortars, Medics, Command staff) A Company- Rifle company B Company- Rifle company C Company- Rifle company D Company- Heavy weapon support (MK 19, .50 cal, M240 and TOW) |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:00:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Headquarters, Headquarters Company (HHC) 326th Engineer Battalion TO is the last two positions of what is called a Unit Identifier Code (UIC). As an example the unit that I belong to is WPN7TO. It is the HHC of my battalion. In this case, there is no telling what the first four characters of your UIC is. Rear Det is the abbreviation of 'Rear Detachment'. When a unit deploys, they typically have a Rear Detachment that will maintain limited administrative and logistics functions while the rest of the unit is outside of the US somewhere. Often when a unit returns from deployment, the equipment is maintained under the rear detachment until it goes through a RESET process which takes deployed equipment and returns it to mission capable condition with no maintenance issues. Also during this team, a majority of the unit personnel tend to be on block leave (vacation). 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:01:35 AM EDT
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Orange spring is 14#, that is in OEM P320 M17 OEM military M17 & M17 Commemorative is purple 15# for heavier, +P ammo which is what military is using Most likely the heavily used OEM military spring is running less than 14# thus working with the lower power 115 gr You can use a non-captured guide rod and run 1911 springs and tune to run specific ammo O/W your stuck with the captured 14# spring. Having said that, did you clean and lube the gun? Yes, cleaned and lubed before and after. Kim |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:07:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A Company 1st Battalion 502nd Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Rifle Comp is just an abbreviation indicating that the unit is a traditional rifle company. In an Infantry Battalion you typically have: HHC- Headquarters, Headquarters Company (contains specialty platoons such as CBRN, Commo, Sniper, Scout, Mortars, Medics, Command staff) A Company- Rifle company B Company- Rifle company C Company- Rifle company D Company- Heavy weapon support (MK 19, .50 cal, M240 and TOW) I had some of it figured out but wasn't sure on the 101st Airborne Division. Thanks for the added information! Cass |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:12:13 AM EDT
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I am in the same boat; good luck  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The one I got is so nice that I don’t want to take it out and shoot it. 
Now I’m on the hunt for the ugliest M17 that I can find.
We need to see who can score the ugliest M17 out there. All the ones on GB are too pretty. I want rack numbers, scuffs, gouges, etc. 
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:12:28 AM EDT
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Can you guys translate? Sorry if this is repetitive.
0506 IN BN 01 CO BO REAR DET I understand the rear det part. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:15:10 AM EDT
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Can you guys translate? Sorry if this is repetitive. 0506 IN BN 01 CO BO REAR DET I understand the rear det part. Thanks 1st Battalion 506 Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division As above in the previous example, the B0 is the last two characters of a six position UIC. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:19:46 AM EDT
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Much appreciated!
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:23:56 AM EDT
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Can you guys translate? Sorry if this is repetitive. 0506 IN BN 01 CO BO REAR DET I understand the rear det part. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:54:17 AM EDT
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Are there designated Companies that are Rear Detatchment or is B Company a Rifle Company that is not deployed so it is functioning in a support role while as Rear Detatchment?
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Posted: 2/21/2020 2:27:22 PM EDT
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Are there designated Companies that are Rear Detatchment or is B Company a Rifle Company that is not deployed so it is functioning in a support role while as Rear Detatchment? I was OIC of my company's Rear Detergent they deployed. It was dudes on injury, guys that come into the unit during deployment, and guys getting out for any number of reasons. Its not a separate unit, it's a detachment from the unit itself. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 6:09:50 PM EDT
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Sounds like a competition!
We need to see who can score the ugliest M17 out there. All the ones on GB are too pretty. I want rack numbers, scuffs, gouges, etc. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:06:08 PM EDT
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I ended up with a few on the info list last night
0327 IN BN 02 CO B0 Rear Det Rear Detachment Company B 2nd Battalion 327th Infantry Regiment (Bastogne Bulldogs it No Slack?) Out of Ft Campbell, KY And HHC 1-327 Infantry Battalion Headquarters 1 Battalion 327 Infantry On the hunt for patch’s now |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Join the fb group and add your info to the master list. They are slowly working their way through all of the serial numbers and researching them. https://www.facebook.com/groups/DecommissionedSurplusSigM17OwnersAssociation/ |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I joined the group, not sure what this master list is. iM sent Disregard. Your Inbox is full |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:42:37 PM EDT
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For anyone who may be interested, here is a short article I wrote about the LaserMax Defense Pistol Enhancer that is issued by the Army for the M17/M18.
http://looserounds.com/2020/02/21/lasermax-defense-pistol-enhancer-lmd-pe-ir-1/ |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I joined the group, not sure what this master list is. After you join the group you can go to files or announcements on FB and access in read only the master list and research lists the group has compiled of serials and unit info. |
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:46:21 PM EDT
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For anyone who may be interested, here is a short article I wrote about the LaserMax Defense Pistol Enhancer that is issued by the Army for the M17/M18. http://looserounds.com/2020/02/21/lasermax-defense-pistol-enhancer-lmd-pe-ir-1/
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Posted: 2/21/2020 11:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great write up. Well done |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 12:30:34 AM EDT
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I've struck out on all of mine so far. Still patiently waiting.
It's pretty neat to see where these have been. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 8:43:43 AM EDT
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I hit gold on my pistols, 4 out of 6 have histories so far:
419 = 1/75 Cavalry Troop C Dismounted 101 AB 1044= 1/506 IR Co C 101 AB 3212= 307th Support Battalion 82 AB 5114= 101AB HHC AA Headquarters Company I am tickled pink with examples from both Paratroop Divisions and a Cavalry Unit. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 4:06:16 AM EDT
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Rear det is just the portion of the company that doesn't deploy. I was OIC of my company's Rear Detergent they deployed. It was dudes on injury, guys that come into the unit during deployment, and guys getting out for any number of reasons. Its not a separate unit, it's a detachment from the unit itself. It seems like they left almost as many M17s behind as they took with them, which doesn't make a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 8:38:15 AM EDT
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Roughly how many people does this rear detachment usually consist of? I'm seeing a quite a few of these M17s pop up with "rear detachment" tags on the master list. It seems like they left almost as many M17s behind as they took with them, which doesn't make a lot of sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rear det is just the portion of the company that doesn't deploy. I was OIC of my company's Rear Detergent they deployed. It was dudes on injury, guys that come into the unit during deployment, and guys getting out for any number of reasons. Its not a separate unit, it's a detachment from the unit itself. It seems like they left almost as many M17s behind as they took with them, which doesn't make a lot of sense. After the unit returns from deployment, the rear detachment can receive ownership of all equipment from the returning unit. If the equipment is destined for RESET, rear D has open accounts with the higher level (base-level) maintenance apparatus and they have personnel while those that were deployed are on leave. Additionally in my experience, Rear D has the working arms room while the returning unit may not. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 9:42:38 AM EDT
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BLUF: they didn’t leave all those pistols at rear D while they deployed. After the unit returns from deployment, the rear detachment can receive ownership of all equipment from the returning unit. If the equipment is destined for RESET, rear D has open accounts with the higher level (base-level) maintenance apparatus and they have personnel while those that were deployed are on leave. Additionally in my experience, Rear D has the working arms room while the returning unit may not. To add the pistols didn't get left behind. As the poster above said, the Rear Detachment is where the pistols last resided for accountability. If you were able to look at the pistol history, you would see the pistol was with the main unit before the Rear D. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 12:10:34 PM EDT
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This ^^^^ To add the pistols didn't get left behind. As the poster above said, the Rear Detachment is where the pistols last resided for accountability. If you were able to look at the pistol history, you would see the pistol was with the main unit before the Rear D. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BLUF: they didn’t leave all those pistols at rear D while they deployed. After the unit returns from deployment, the rear detachment can receive ownership of all equipment from the returning unit. If the equipment is destined for RESET, rear D has open accounts with the higher level (base-level) maintenance apparatus and they have personnel while those that were deployed are on leave. Additionally in my experience, Rear D has the working arms room while the returning unit may not. To add the pistols didn't get left behind. As the poster above said, the Rear Detachment is where the pistols last resided for accountability. If you were able to look at the pistol history, you would see the pistol was with the main unit before the Rear D. And all of the other information before "rear detachment" is the unit they were assigned to (and possibly deployed with) before turned over to the rear detachment? |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 12:24:41 PM EDT
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I really don’t understand why this is on Facebook and not a forum like this? Facebook is shit for gun stuff. I’m just bitter because I deleted my Facebook account several years ago and refuse to use it for any reason.
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Posted: 2/23/2020 12:34:15 PM EDT
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I really don’t understand why this is on Facebook and not a forum like this? Facebook is shit for gun stuff. I’m just bitter because I deleted my Facebook account several years ago and refuse to use it for any reason. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 12:35:24 PM EDT
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I really don’t understand why this is on Facebook and not a forum like this? Facebook is shit for gun stuff. I’m just bitter because I deleted my Facebook account several years ago and refuse to use it for any reason. Oh well, what is it they say, "If you live in the past, you'll get left behind". The way things are going, I'll be left behind soon enough. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 12:43:56 PM EDT
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I sincerely appreciate all of the work that has been put into this, but agree that the Facebook group is a hot mess.
A Subreddit would be best IMO, and I'd be happy to help with it if need be. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 2:26:46 PM EDT
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I was wondering what information you can gather and from where do you gather the information? I happen to have bought one too and am waiting for it to ship.
Thanks |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 2:58:42 PM EDT
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Orange spring is 14#, that is in OEM P320 M17 OEM military M17 & M17 Commemorative is purple 15# for heavier, +P ammo which is what military is using Most likely the heavily used OEM military spring is running less than 14# thus working with the lower power 115 gr You can use a non-captured guide rod and run 1911 springs and tune to run specific ammo O/W your stuck with the captured 14# spring. Having said that, did you clean and lube the gun? To clarify further, should I only be using one of these? https://palmettostatearmory.com/winchester-usa-9mm-nato-124gr-fmj-ammunition-50rds-q4318.html |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:04:41 PM EDT
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The optics plate on the surplus is 1 screw instead of 2 screw, does any manufacturer make an optic that directly mates to these?
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This ^^^^ To add the pistols didn't get left behind. As the poster above said, the Rear Detachment is where the pistols last resided for accountability. If you were able to look at the pistol history, you would see the pistol was with the main unit before the Rear D. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:23:26 PM EDT
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The optics plate on the surplus is 1 screw instead of 2 screw, does any manufacturer make an optic that directly mates to these? |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:24:45 PM EDT
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I was wondering what information you can gather and from where do you gather the information? I happen to have bought one too and am waiting for it to ship. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:33:14 PM EDT
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These pistols had to have hurt the civilian commemorative M17s right?
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:58:30 PM EDT
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These pistols had to have hurt the civilian commemorative M17s right? |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 5:33:30 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, forums like this are a dying breed. FB and places like "discord" are the current trend. But I agree with you, I'm used to and prefer a forum like this to the way FB or any of the other newish places people gather to discuss stuff is set up. I'm sure that I miss a lot of posts and replies because of the way FB is. Oh well, what is it they say, "If you live in the past, you'll get left behind". The way things are going, I'll be left behind soon enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really don’t understand why this is on Facebook and not a forum like this? Facebook is shit for gun stuff. I’m just bitter because I deleted my Facebook account several years ago and refuse to use it for any reason. Oh well, what is it they say, "If you live in the past, you'll get left behind". The way things are going, I'll be left behind soon enough. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 11:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much. If you ever wanted a commemorative, now is a good time to buy one.
But the gun shows around here still have NIB ones for $3000. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 11:46:00 PM EDT
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I still have an unfired M17 Commemmorative, that means if I use factory 115gr ammo, it will fail to extract and eject? To clarify further, should I only be using one of these? https://palmettostatearmory.com/winchester-usa-9mm-nato-124gr-fmj-ammunition-50rds-q4318.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Orange spring is 14#, that is in OEM P320 M17 OEM military M17 & M17 Commemorative is purple 15# for heavier, +P ammo which is what military is using Most likely the heavily used OEM military spring is running less than 14# thus working with the lower power 115 gr You can use a non-captured guide rod and run 1911 springs and tune to run specific ammo O/W your stuck with the captured 14# spring. Having said that, did you clean and lube the gun? To clarify further, should I only be using one of these? https://palmettostatearmory.com/winchester-usa-9mm-nato-124gr-fmj-ammunition-50rds-q4318.html I doubt you will have any problems with a clean and lubed gun once several hundred rounds are through it. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 11:59:23 PM EDT
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Pretty much. If you ever wanted a commemorative, now is a good time to buy one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These pistols had to have hurt the civilian commemorative M17s right? |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 3:05:22 AM EDT
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Most surpluses, note I did not say all, in a year or so, will probably be selling for $400 give or take. Now in 50 years, that's a different story |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 7:35:49 AM EDT
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I was able to pick one up that wasn't fired much for $725
But the gun shows around here still have NIB ones for $3000. 
Nice score, I'll have to keep an eye out for one of those as well
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Posted: 2/24/2020 11:24:44 AM EDT
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Most surpluses, note I did not say all, in a year or so, will probably be selling for $400 give or take. Now in 50 years, that's a different story |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 12:02:02 PM EDT
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Unless you find a stupid person desperately in need of money, you'll never find one for $400 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most surpluses, note I did not say all, in a year or so, will probably be selling for $400 give or take. Now in 50 years, that's a different story |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 1:23:10 PM EDT
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In stock at Grabagun for $1199.
https://grabagun.com/sig-sauer-p320-m17-army-surplus-9mm-4-7-inch-21-rounds-with-siglite-sights.html |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 2:20:04 PM EDT
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I hit gold on my pistols, 4 out of 6 have histories so far: 419 = 1/75 Cavalry Troop C Dismounted 101 AB 1044= 1/506 IR Co C 101 AB 3212= 307th Support Battalion 82 AB 5114= 101AB HHC AA Headquarters Company I am tickled pink with examples from both Paratroop Divisions and a Cavalry Unit. |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 2:23:47 PM EDT
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In stock at Grabagun for $1199. https://grabagun.com/sig-sauer-p320-m17-army-surplus-9mm-4-7-inch-21-rounds-with-siglite-sights.html |
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Posted: 2/24/2020 2:24:14 PM EDT
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In stock at Grabagun for $1199. https://grabagun.com/sig-sauer-p320-m17-army-surplus-9mm-4-7-inch-21-rounds-with-siglite-sights.html edit, saw the post above, I hope this is not cancelled. 
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Posted: 2/24/2020 2:51:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats awesome. I have a few of these and joined the FB group but am confused on how to have research done on these serial numbers. Do you have to post pics of all your serial numbers first on FB then someone researches or were your serial numbers already in the master list? I checked and none of my serials are in the master list. This is all a bit confusing and I am really interested in getting info but do not neccesarily want to post pictures on Facebook. You can post on there and get an admin to play middleman. I didn't want the spies of the Facebook algorithms tracking me to my pistols, so I've emailed them to a guy that volunteered to send them along. |
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