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Posted: 1/29/2021 12:10:50 AM EDT
[#1]
damn I want one of those two toned pugs
I'm gonna pout when you cut it up |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have doubts about hollow points out of a short bbl revolver. I'd prefer FMJ. To be honest the CCI FMJ loads are what I’d prefer as well for both range and actual carry, but I grabbed whatever they had left at the store I was at. Plus someone recommended the GD loads specifically because they’re formulated for these snubbies as opposed to rifles, but I’m not sure that matters as much as Speer and the other premium defense ammo manufacturers would like people to believe for 22Mag loads |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:03:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: damn I want one of those two toned pugs I'm gonna pout when you cut it up I assure you no harm will come to the frame of the Pug  No permanent modifications will be required for this transformation, it’ll just be like putting on a new set of grips - simple and easily reversible
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Posted: 1/31/2021 1:53:12 AM EDT
[#4]
Went for a short walk around my apartment complex today as part of recovery from my back surgery. Slipped the Pug into the pocket of my windbreaker and barely noticed it was there the entire time. While my P320s will still be pulling day to day EDC duty, I can definitely see this little party popper being a good pocket option for taking the trash out/letting my dog out/going for short walks around the complex.
I should be in good enough condition to make an excursion to the range in the next week or two, so shooting review in stock configuration will be coming soon! |
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Posted: 1/31/2021 10:19:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Went for a short walk around my apartment complex today as part of recovery from my back surgery. Slipped the Pug into the pocket of my windbreaker and barely noticed it was there the entire time. While my P320s will still be pulling day to day EDC duty, I can definitely see this little party popper being a good pocket option for taking the trash out/letting my dog out/going for short walks around the complex. I should be in good enough condition to make an excursion to the range in the next week or two, so shooting review in stock configuration will be coming soon! Dude, the NAA is a talisman, not a proper EDC revolver. It should be secondary @ most. |
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Posted: 1/31/2021 1:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, the NAA is a talisman, not a proper EDC revolver. It should be secondary @ most. I know, which is why I said my P320s are still going to be my go-to EDC guns. What I meant was that the Pug is a convenient option for going outside for a few minutes in sweats or basketball shorts. Any trip that would require leaving my apartment for more than a few minutes or leaving the complex will still be chaperoned by my heavily enhanced 19+1 + 23-round reload RS/EVO320s:  
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Posted: 2/1/2021 11:17:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, which is why I said my P320s are still going to be my go-to EDC guns. What I meant was that the Pug is a convenient option for going outside for a few minutes in sweats or basketball shorts. Any trip that would require leaving my apartment for more than a few minutes or leaving the complex will still be chaperoned by my heavily enhanced 19+1 + 23-round reload RS/EVO320s: https://content.invisioncic.com/r270761/monthly_2020_12/3CC51EDE-8DE2-4B73-859A-8BC8EC9FB0F2.jpeg.3ee8a8d75adebec86ac0b605849289f2.jpeg https://content.invisioncic.com/r270761/monthly_2020_10/9605D1DE-1C7F-481F-A02A-DD0DC9DAC86C.jpeg.6450c7939171f417597380b0cff65c08.jpeg What I'm telling you is that if you ever use it as a primary, even on your front lawn, which you're admitting to, you're better off w/ a steak knife. It would be a poor backup to a steak knife, but would do if you can only carry one steak knife. 
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Posted: 2/1/2021 1:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I'm telling you is that if you ever use it as a primary, even on your front lawn, which you're admitting to, you're better off w/ a steak knife. It would be a poor backup to a steak knife, but would do if you can only carry one steak knife. Ha fair enough. Truthfully the reason I bought it has nothing to do with carrying it anywhere anyway and I imagine that convenience will go away when I slap a fistful of brass on it, so
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Posted: 2/1/2021 4:08:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha fair enough. Truthfully the reason I bought it has nothing to do with carrying it anywhere anyway and I imagine that convenience will go away when I slap a fistful of brass on it, so You'll need a shoulder sheath for it then. |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 5:53:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'll need a shoulder sheath for it then. I do have plans to get a custom leather holster made for it when it’s all finished, just haven’t decided if I want it to be a pocket holster, belt holster, or otherwise like a shoulder rig. I’m somewhat curious to know how people used to carry brass knuckles back in the late 1800s/early 1900s and try to emulate that, for a bit more period-correct feeling. Anyone know anything in that regard? |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 8:19:34 PM EDT
[#11]
Under their cloaks.
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Posted: 2/1/2021 8:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do have plans to get a custom leather holster made for it when it’s all finished, just haven’t decided if I want it to be a pocket holster, belt holster, or otherwise like a shoulder rig. I’m somewhat curious to know how people used to carry brass knuckles back in the late 1800s/early 1900s and try to emulate that, for a bit more period-correct feeling. Anyone know anything in that regard? Probably pockets! Makes sense because you can just be standing there with your hands in your pockets talking but come out swinging |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 12:20:44 AM EDT
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Asked Billy and he said usually tucked into the waistband with one finger stall above the belt line to quickly index and draw, and almost never with any kind of holster or sheath. I’ll still be getting a holster for mine - because gun - but I’ll try to do something on the belt/IWB so it’s roughly in the same vein
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Posted: 2/2/2021 12:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably pockets! Makes sense because you can just be standing there with your hands in your pockets talking but come out swinging I’ll probably get a simple pocket sheath too for exactly that reason 
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:32:49 AM EDT
[#15]
Sounds like Monday will be the inaugural range trip for this party popper. Interested to see how it handles in stock format with the diminutive grip, get a good baseline of comparison for the changes that the knuckle grip will provide. Pictures and video will follow of course!
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Posted: 2/7/2021 8:48:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Looking forward to seeing what this turns into! I dig my Dude and have a small collection of D Grant Boston Knuckles....
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Posted: 2/8/2021 9:04:28 PM EDT
[#17]
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLDT5Pjgbnu/?igshid=1mo0e0rdxc10i
The Pug shoots! About as expected for a 22 rimfire of its size, rolls back in the hand a bit. No ammo or gun related issues to report, though there was a bit of frigid finger-fumbling with the hammer as it was below freezing and windy at the outdoor range. As expected the reload procedure considerably cuts down the rounds-per-minute rate compared to the P320s, but that just means the ammo I have will stretch out for a while longer. Got a good impression of how the gun shoots in stock form now, looking forward to seeing how the knuckles change the dynamics of recoil control 
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Posted: 2/8/2021 10:41:09 PM EDT
[#18]
At the current cost of $.25/rnd for .22 LR, how long will it take you to equal the purchase price of the pistol in ammo cost?
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Posted: 2/9/2021 4:11:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the current cost of $.25/rnd for .22 LR, how long will it take you to equal the purchase price of the pistol in ammo cost? Given the average list price for 50-round boxes of 22WMR at present, about 20 boxes  I expect the knuckle grip will be pretty close to the cost of the gun itself as well. Quality costs though, and it’ll be worth it for me in the end. It’ll still be the least expensive build in total that I own - each of my P320s is well north of $2k per gun in initial purchase price, parts, and gunsmithing combined
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Posted: 2/9/2021 5:43:52 PM EDT
[#20]
These are the grips I put on mine: http://www.revisioncv.com/catalog/4, and they drastically improved shootability. I'm guessing your knuckle grip will do even better.
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Posted: 2/9/2021 6:48:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Given the average list price for 50-round boxes of 22WMR at present, about 20 boxes I expect the knuckle grip will be pretty close to the cost of the gun itself as well. Quality costs though, and it’ll be worth it for me in the end. It’ll still be the least expensive build in total that I own - each of my P320s is well north of $2k per gun in initial purchase price, parts, and gunsmithing combinedWait the grips are only a couple hundred bucks?!? I have mammoth ivory 1911 grips so I have spent more on accessories than a reasonable person might ;-) |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 8:54:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait the grips are only a couple hundred bucks?!? I have mammoth ivory 1911 grips so I have spent more on accessories than a reasonable person might ;-) MSRP on the Dude variant of the Pug was close to $500. I don’t have an exact cost on the knuckle grip yet, but I’m expecting it to be somewhere in that range give or take |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:06:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MSRP on the Dude variant of the Pug was close to $500. I don’t have an exact cost on the knuckle grip yet, but I’m expecting it to be somewhere in that range give or take Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait the grips are only a couple hundred bucks?!? I have mammoth ivory 1911 grips so I have spent more on accessories than a reasonable person might ;-) MSRP on the Dude variant of the Pug was close to $500. I don’t have an exact cost on the knuckle grip yet, but I’m expecting it to be somewhere in that range give or take  Attached File
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:00:36 PM EDT
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HA! I assure you I’m part of that crowd as well. BT’s got a couple other projects in the pipeline with his business partner before they can get started on mine, but it shouldn’t be long now. I hope
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:10:56 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HA! I assure you I’m part of that crowd as well. BT’s got a couple other projects in the pipeline with his business partner before they can get started on mine, but it shouldn’t be long now. I hope Oh I get it my friend. I am anxious as you are, well, maybe a little more for you. Thought now was an appropriate time to use that meme.  Tomorrow is my last vacation day. Have to work Friday & Saturday.  Therefore, may not be able to visit this thread until Sunday. Am definitely interested to see this project fulfilled. 
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Posted: 2/10/2021 3:37:19 PM EDT
[#26]
I assure you this project will be completed, regardless of how long it takes - This thread is just getting started
More range time for me this coming weekend, so I’ll have another chance to get some more trigger time on the Pug. Whatever content gets created before the knuckle grip is completed will be dwarfed by the updates, pics, videos, and testing of the finished build. I fully intend to test all of the practical capabilities of the completed Knucklegun and will share the results here 
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Posted: 2/10/2021 3:56:21 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I assure you this project will be completed, regardless of how long it takes - This thread is just getting started More range time for me this coming weekend, so I’ll have another chance to get some more trigger time on the Pug. Whatever content gets created before the knuckle grip is completed will be dwarfed by the updates, pics, videos, and testing of the finished build. I fully intend to test all of the practical capabilities of the completed Knucklegun and will share the results here Visit Arizona & compete w/ Ian in a BUG match?
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Posted: 2/10/2021 4:15:15 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Visit Arizona & compete w/ Ian in a BUG match? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I assure you this project will be completed, regardless of how long it takes - This thread is just getting started More range time for me this coming weekend, so I’ll have another chance to get some more trigger time on the Pug. Whatever content gets created before the knuckle grip is completed will be dwarfed by the updates, pics, videos, and testing of the finished build. I fully intend to test all of the practical capabilities of the completed Knucklegun and will share the results here Visit Arizona & compete w/ Ian in a BUG match? So interested in this Live in Arizona, Youngest sons name is Ian Thinking I know the “Ian “ that you are referring to. Tell me more. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 4:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So interested in this Live in Arizona, Youngest sons name is Ian Thinking I know the “Ian “ that you are referring to. Tell me more.  Taurus Curve: My Worst Backup Gun Match Yet! |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:14:47 PM EDT
[#30]
Like the looks of the Pug. I’ve always been interested in pocket pistols. Can’t wait to see how your project turns out.
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Posted: 2/11/2021 12:59:38 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Visit Arizona & compete w/ Ian in a BUG match? Just thinking about the reloads alone is giving me a migraine |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 4:00:13 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the looks of the Pug. I’ve always been interested in pocket pistols. Can’t wait to see how your project turns out. Thank you! Hopefully it turns out as well as I expect |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 6:09:28 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just thinking about the reloads alone is giving me a migraine Um, don’t reload? Just shoot the first 5 and then punch the rest of the targets. I thought that’s what this adventure was all about |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 11:14:15 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Um, don’t reload? Just shoot the first 5 and then punch the rest of the targets. I thought that’s what this adventure was all about This. Jump the barrier and charge the targets.
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Posted: 2/11/2021 2:38:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Jump the barrier and charge the targets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Um, don’t reload? Just shoot the first 5 and then punch the rest of the targets. I thought that’s what this adventure was all about This. Jump the barrier and charge the targets. I’ll do it as long as someone volunteers to record the look on the RO’s face 
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Posted: 2/11/2021 10:47:42 PM EDT
[#36]
You could sell tickets to see that lol.
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Posted: 2/14/2021 5:08:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Second range trip with the Pug tomorrow. Most of my focus will be on shaking down my recently completed P320 project, but I’ll intersperse mags through it with cylinders through the Dude. The Pug is still basically brand new and my compulsive thoroughness still wants to do some reliability testing with it, even if it won’t ever be called into any serious use - It’ll still be nice to know that it could
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Posted: 2/15/2021 9:18:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Well crap, range time delayed again until later this week. My apologies, here’s another pic to partially make up for it:
 I don’t know why but I find this picture oddly amusing |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 11:42:59 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well crap, range time delayed again until later this week. My apologies, here’s another pic to partially make up for it: https://content.invisioncic.com/r270761/monthly_2021_02/15D70087-CE13-403E-A6FC-C58929079B14.jpeg.483a3881d8566cb0b98be54021fc5715.jpeg I don’t know why but I find this picture oddly amusing My version of amusing. 44 mag vs 22 mag.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 6:49:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Billy’s getting closer to this project with his working partner, should be getting the final design finished up relatively soon. And I’ll be able to make it back to the range in the next week after some unexpected chaos the last couple weeks. More coming soon!
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Posted: 2/23/2021 6:51:23 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My version of amusing. 44 mag vs 22 mag. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50175/608BF7F3-4F48-4F5F-AD9B-9F847067BE7D_jpe-1837943.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well crap, range time delayed again until later this week. My apologies, here’s another pic to partially make up for it: https://content.invisioncic.com/r270761/monthly_2021_02/15D70087-CE13-403E-A6FC-C58929079B14.jpeg.483a3881d8566cb0b98be54021fc5715.jpeg I don’t know why but I find this picture oddly amusing My version of amusing. 44 mag vs 22 mag. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50175/608BF7F3-4F48-4F5F-AD9B-9F847067BE7D_jpe-1837943.JPG Somebody in another thread pointed out which popular meme the picture looked like and I realized why I found it so amusing I swear it wasn’t intentional
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Posted: 3/2/2021 10:12:28 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Somebody in another thread pointed out which popular meme the picture looked like and I realized why I found it so amusing I swear it wasn't intentional
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Posted: 3/4/2021 9:29:53 AM EDT
[#43]
Super cool project, OP
 I will be following with great interest. |
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Posted: 3/5/2021 3:03:42 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Super cool project, OP I will be following with great interest. Thank you! Hopefully it’ll be worth the attention when it’s done. More significant updates should be coming very soon |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 6:51:57 PM EDT
[#45]
 Finally had a chance to get to the range again today. Most of my focus was on shaking down my completed EVO320 build, but I took breaks occasionally to run several cylinders through the Pug. Purchased some CCI MaxiMag FMJ from the range and fed that through in addition to the Gold Dot JHP for some variety, with no malfunctions to report. The little revolver remains 100% reliable thus far. I still have yet to do a “grab bag” ammo test with four or five different brands/loads mixed together just due to current ammo scarcity, but I get the sense it won’t have any issues regardless of the rounds in the cylinder. More news on the grip expected soon, more updates coming! |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 2:45:37 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://content.invisioncic.com/r270761/monthly_2021_03/75D14B30-69F9-4E58-9B85-D84A2528934F.jpeg.9dcde578b758f7ae9595ed8fce0fd884.jpeg Finally had a chance to get to the range again today. Most of my focus was on shaking down my completed EVO320 build, but I took breaks occasionally to run several cylinders through the Pug. Purchased some CCI MaxiMag FMJ from the range and fed that through in addition to the Gold Dot JHP for some variety, with no malfunctions to report. The little revolver remains 100% reliable thus far. I still have yet to do a "grab bag" ammo test with four or five different brands/loads mixed together just due to current ammo scarcity, but I get the sense it won't have any issues regardless of the rounds in the cylinder. More news on the grip expected soon, more updates coming! |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 3:17:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only stuff it might choke on is PMC ammo, because it tends to separate in the cylinder. It's the only brand that NAA says not to use. Otherwise it'll set off any round that wasn't already destined to be a dud due to bad priming. Yeah I made a mental note of that from reading the manual. I don’t remember ever buying that brand of ammo anyway though, so it shouldn’t be a problem. Once it’s back in stock somewhere I’ll be ordering more of the CCI FMJ in bulk, that’ll be the main go-to diet for the little guy |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 5:57:50 PM EDT
[#48]
Found a neat webpage while doing more research on the Delhaxhe pistol that includes several very good pictures and what appears to be the original patent filing on the design:
 http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20d/a%20delhaxe%20gb.htm Just a little more background info on the piece, figured I’d share for anyone interested! |
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Posted: 3/20/2021 5:36:32 PM EDT
[#49]
I’m still here and waiting.
Don’t blame me for being impatient, you started this project. Just kidding you my man.
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Posted: 3/20/2021 10:47:13 PM EDT
[#50]
You and me both sir, still waiting to get more significant word from Billy on any more commentable movement on the project before posting anything up. I was planning on doing another big P320 range day with my brother today for 3/20 day, but my having a stroke and brain surgery on Tuesday put a bit of a wrench in that plan...At least I’m getting some of the best and worst stuff out of my way before my 30th birthday
 On a lighter note thanks to the combination of #TrumpBux and #BidenBux this little side project is now 100% gubmint funded so that’s something at least! |
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