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Posted: 9/4/2017 8:36:52 PM EDT
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Why don't you just tell him that you think it will be too hard to sell, and suggest he sell it privately or on consignment?
Honestly, there are lots of user 22 masterpieces out there FAR lower than $600 without the stupid lock, and with vastly superior workmanship..... (I'm sure you know this) If it were my decision I would simply tell him that I could not insult him with a trade offer and would need funds up front for the new gun. |
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Posted: 9/4/2017 9:10:39 PM EDT
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I might have to, I took in a Ruger Single 6 convertible that I still have to unload. Once again, gun was only a few weeks old. I got it cheap, but nothing I want to keep. I need to get my camera out and start listing on GB.
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Posted: 9/4/2017 10:38:47 PM EDT
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I will never buy one with "the Hole", but there are plenty people out there who have no problem with it. I expect it will sell on GB without much issue.
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Posted: 9/4/2017 11:04:05 PM EDT
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I will never buy one with "the Hole", but there are plenty people out there who have no problem with it. I expect it will sell on GB without much issue. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 7:03:51 AM EDT
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while it looks terrible, i wont not buy one just because of it. I have a 629-6 on its way to me currently.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 12:16:42 PM EDT
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As you probably know l would consider the 17 classic with lock to be one of S&W's stupidest marketing decisions ever. While not as common in the past it is very easy to find the older traditional lock work smith 17's in great shape for the same or less ( in some cases significantly less) than the new classic. Smith further handicapped the gun by keeping it a six shot. I hate stainless but like the concept of the gen shot revolver, if smith made the ten shot in blue I would accept the lock and MIM. I agree you probably can't offer much for it. Most anyone who wants a blued 6 shot 22 revolver is going to look for the older no lock models
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:01:57 PM EDT
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I will never buy one with "the Hole", but there are plenty people out there who have no problem with it. I expect it will sell on GB without much issue. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:21:10 PM EDT
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Fact is, the ONLY record of the lock being an issue was on a 44mag
The recoil from ultra-calibers can make it go screwy I've had 0 problems on my 38 special airweight |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:27:32 PM EDT
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I love Smith Revolvers. I have a 642 with a hole. None of the others do.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 8:40:47 PM EDT
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Not starting a new thread yet. Only Hijacking for the moment.
I'm interested in a new Classic M27 Owned a 80's M29.....& Colt Python.... youth made me sale both 
My question is, currentl Smiths worth it (new production) ? Again,357 for range & plinking? For 44mag I'm going back to Ruger SBH Thoughts |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 8:52:17 PM EDT
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33%
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Posted: 9/9/2017 8:26:26 AM EDT
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I refuse to buy one.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 7:42:17 PM EDT
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If it is configured the way I want it the lock does not bother me one bit. I bought a S&W 627 PC when USPSA Revolver division rules changed and despite the lock I have been embarrassing the bottom feeders with it fairly regularly. Came in 12 of 54 at today's match. I certainly wish S&W would stop with the Internal Lock but it is not a show stopper for me. A new S&W revolver is equal to or better than any other new double action on the market.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 1:38:54 AM EDT
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Cheapest I found them new on Gundeals was $728. MSRP is $989.
So maybe figure a max of half of street price average at about $800 since you're a dealer and have to sell it as used even if it's NIB. So probably $350-400 max depending on your feelings about him as a customer. I assume you'd price it at $550-600 and hope to get it sold but probably have to settle for less because you are into prelock K22 territory at that price point. |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:09:57 AM EDT
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I refuse to buy one. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 8:23:36 PM EDT
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10-15% less than a new one assuming its like new condition. I finally gave up on avoiding the lock guns. Some of the new Performance Center guns are pretty nice, often better built than the pre lock PC guns. However, I can't say that is always the case on the non PC guns.
The lock will be with us forever I fear... |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 8:58:47 PM EDT
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I hit him at $275 difference. Bottom line is I know unless I sell it cheap I will be stuck with that turd for a long time. I have a old M17 already, so really didn't want another. Have not heard back from him since I posted, so I may have pissed him off with the low price. But even if he shops it around I don't think anyone else will give him much more. It's not like they are hard to get.
Thanks for the replies. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 11:53:28 PM EDT
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617s are tough to buy used in a private sale for much under $600 so I think you could sell it for $600.
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Posted: 9/16/2017 1:03:45 PM EDT
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I could care less whether it has a lock or not. I have one S&W pistol with a lock. It is the 386PD Scandium/Titanium revolver. The lock key is in the original box and has never been taken out or ever used. So what? I also have a S&W model 657 stainless steel .41 magnum with 4" barrel. It doesn't have the lock because it was made before the locks. I prefer the pre-lock S&W pistols like the model 657 because they don't make this model in 4" barrel length anymore and nothing to do with the lock or lack thereof. It's a moot point. If S&W starting making their model 657 with a 4" barrel, I'd buy one, regardless of whether or not it had the lock because the lock is only cosmetic to me. If Colt started making a brand new Colt Python with 4" barrel, Royal Blue or mirror polished stainless finish, with that special factory tuned action, I'd find the money and immediately buy one, regardless of whether or not they put a lock on it.
Whining about a lock is like buying a Ferrari 308 GTSi and complaining that you don't like the windshield washers. Don't buy it, buy something else if that minute detail is so offensive. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 11:17:50 PM EDT
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I own only one, a 329 Scandium framed gun, and it was a revolver I took in on a trade deal otherwise I would never bother.
I own literally dozens of Smiths. I do not even bother to look at a Smith with a lock on it. There are far too many nice older guns that I can buy instead. The majority of the guys I know (who are in the right age and financial status to buy a lot of guns) feel the same way. Nobody bothers with the lock versions. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 11:19:33 PM EDT
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I dont buy them.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 4:11:36 AM EDT
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No locks for me either. Don't want anything to do with them. A stupid and ugly solution to a non problem.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 6:35:12 AM EDT
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I don't buy them. I have older Smiths and a 442 Pro (sans lock). I would like to buy a new 4.25" 66 and 69, but I'm not taking them too seriously because of the locks.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:41:15 AM EDT
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i buy them and will continue to buy them. i tend to not be as anal about it crying on everyones post that has one. Bunch of debbie downers all over a hole. If something bothers you so much about a little hole seek counceling.
 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:34:35 AM EDT
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100%
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:43:46 AM EDT
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Fact is, the ONLY record of the lock being an issue was on a 44mag The recoil from ultra-calibers can make it go screwy I've had 0 problems on my 38 special airtight Some of the scandium framed 357s also had issues. It's a snappy recoil issue, not a caliber specific issue. Snappy recoil = higher % risk of the lock being activated. It is possible to remove the lock, and you can find plugs for the hole. It doesn't fix the cosmetic issue, but for a defensive gun it would remove the lock problem. And for a carry gun, who cares if it's cosmetically blemished, it's going to get plenty of wear on it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 12:27:33 PM EDT
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Wrong. Some of the scandium framed 357s also had issues. It's a snappy recoil issue, not a caliber specific issue. Snappy recoil = higher % risk of the lock being activated. It is possible to remove the lock, and you can find plugs for the hole. It doesn't fix the cosmetic issue, but for a defensive gun it would remove the lock problem. And for a carry gun, who cares if it's cosmetically blemished, it's going to get plenty of wear on it. I have also never seen someone really be able to repeat the failure. No one has been able to create a test where they can repeatedly and reliably recreate a condition that will cause the internal lock failure to happen on command. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 12:43:09 PM EDT
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A lot of the supposed failures, when you dig deeper, are on guns that have had "trigger jobs" done to them. There are only a few well documented cases of stock guns having the failure. I have also never seen someone really be able to repeat the failure. No one has been able to create a test where they can repeatedly and reliably recreate a condition that will cause the internal lock failure to happen on command. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:21:42 PM EDT
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That should scare you more. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:27:58 PM EDT
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I don't buy a Smith revolver with the lock. I have seen one lock revolver have a problem and refuse to fire. It was a 642 that was being carried daily.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:22:24 PM EDT
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Only IL guns that interest me are the PDs, NGs, and the very hard to find 627 JM.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:10:11 PM EDT
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I won't own one. No value to me. It is comical to see some asshole trying to dump one off on a sale forum and they only post photos from the other side.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:25:03 PM EDT
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OK, first off not looking to sell it here as I am a FFL. But I have a guy that I ordered a brand new S&W M 17 Classic for 2 weeks ago. Four days after he gets it calls me and wants to trade it in on another gun that I have to order and pay for. I looked at closed auctions on GB with out much success. The only one I saw closed had 0 bids. I really don't want this gun, so I guess I will have to stick him good fearing that I may not even get $600 for the damn thing. I bet if it didn't have that stupid lock it would sell better. Thoughts? I had one of those in my shop for a while. It was a tough sell. All the true S&W guys turned their noses up at it. Finally sold it to a guy who didn't know the difference. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:01:43 PM EDT
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It might be worth it to buy the plug and install before trying to sell.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:44:31 AM EDT
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I have a nice collection of classic Smiths, and just need to track a few down for the whole "set".
I bought a 627 PC about 8 years ago or so. It was about a 1000 bucks with the aluminum case. It has the pecker hole on the side. I shot that mechanical asshole once and am now ashamed I spent good money on it. I keep it as a reminder of what kind of shit S&W makes today. I will buy pistols new, but won't waste another cent on a gun with a lock. I just thank the white baby Jesus I have a nice classic 27 to shoot, among several K and L frames that get love as well. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 4:59:40 AM EDT
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I don't own them....
Simple as that. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 6:48:14 PM EDT
[#37]
It's a minor cosmetic defect. So about as much as if it had a scratch or finish wear the same size.
I wouldn't even know it was there if people didn't bitch about it so much online. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 9:13:58 PM EDT
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It's a minor cosmetic defect. So about as much as if it had a scratch or finish wear the same size. I wouldn't even know it was there if people didn't bitch about it so much online. The S&W revolvers of today have closer connections to Taurus than S&W. Internal Hammer, Two Piece Barrels, Different Lockwork, Lawyer Locks.... 
There is a reason why original used S&W wheel guns sell for more than new Classic Line Guns. I can flip my Model 29, 27, 19, 14, 629, 686, 66, 625, etc for more than what new production runs of them go for. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:46:05 PM EDT
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If you were to give me one, I still would not want it.
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Posted: 9/21/2017 11:37:14 PM EDT
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If you were to give me one, I still would not want it. Slightly over half of the competitors at this year's USPSA Revolver National match was shooting a 9mm revolver. So roughly half of the countries best competitive revolver shooters were shooting Internal Lock guns with MIM parts. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 2:27:43 PM EDT
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I also have no use for one and would never buy a S&W with an internal lock. Its got to be a pre-lock Smith and the older the better for me.
I've sold off almost all of my older guns I've accumulated for the last several decades. However, none of my Smith revolvers are going anywhere until its dirt nap time for me. I've even bought a few more Smith revolvers in recent years. Again, they have to to be the older pre-lock ones or they have no value to me. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 10:40:41 PM EDT
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I refuse to buy one. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:16:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2017 11:06:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2017 11:31:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2017 1:26:05 PM EDT
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Different lock work inside. The S&W revolvers of today have closer connections to Taurus than S&W. Internal Hammer, Two Piece Barrels, Different Lockwork, Lawyer Locks....
There is a reason why original used S&W wheel guns sell for more than new Classic Line Guns. I can flip my Model 29, 27, 19, 14, 629, 686, 66, 625, etc for more than what new production runs of them go for. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:10:31 PM EDT
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I always strongly encourage people to buy new and improved hole model S&W's. Far superior to the old junk made with inferior machining.
I need less competition buying the older S&W's. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 11:34:43 AM EDT
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I refuse to buy one. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 10:28:47 PM EDT
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I refuse to buy one. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 9:16:47 PM EDT
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I have bought 6 S&W revolvers with locks and MIM and never have had a problem. I know several people who have had the same experience as me with multiple purchases. I nor any of my aquantices have never met anyone who has had an actual experience with the lock. Our only experience with lock failure has been in reading about it on the internet. I like the frame mounted firing pin and MIM hammer as it seems much faster with the lock time.
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