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Posted: 8/14/2023 11:50:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: Colt653]
I’ve been thinking about getting another 1911
Something to tinker with, upgrade the trigger/hammer guts, maybe hand checker the frint strap Springfield frames and slides are usually good quality and well fit ….or they used to be of course it will be 45ACP  Attached File Attached File |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 12:29:33 PM EST
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Bought two Ronins a couple years ago, ordered off the net for the same exact reason you did. I work on the road so I generally dont get to see the guns I buy until I get home and pick them up from the FFL.
the Barrel slide to frame tolerance is good, both are accurate, the 9mm a little more than the 45 but I honestly havent tried enough different ammo threw either of them to be absolute on that front. The aesthetic fitting is freaking HORRIBLE on the 9mm and bad on the 45 Neither of the ejectors or extractors were flush to the back of the slide, on the 9mm the slide overhangs the frame 1/16 inch. Neither of the beavertails are blended worth a crap but the 45 is bad enough to be uncomfortable because of sharp edges. The extractors on both were poorly fitted and loose, I replaced both and fit them along with a oversized FPS (the 9mm cracked from dryfire before I ever shot it) I ran a box of shells through both guns and they worked but failed the extractor and mag tests. no jams or FTE but they were all over the place with cases and dropped a couple through the magwell . I replaced the slide stop with an oversized from EGW and their barrel bushing and the 9mm locks up like a bank vault, I dont think Im going to replace the barrel on it, but I may add a 9x23. Oh and I also fround metal chips in the extractor tunnel on one (cant remember which) had a friend that had the same thing in his Prodigy, so check that. hope that helps. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 3:49:51 PM EST
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I have a blued .45 Garrison I picked up secondhand. The fit and finish is uniformly well done, none of the issues mentioned above. The barrel fit is not bad, there is no detectable 'mush' when pressing down the barrel hood in battery and the bushing allows no movement of the barrel relative to the slide.
Accuracy is better than most 45s I've owned in that price range, and reliability has been 100% so far. Excellent buy for the $600 I have in it, even counting the idiot scratch on the frame. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 4:00:42 PM EST
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I have a 9mm 4.25 Ronin. Made a few changes. Grips, front sight and did a bobtail. It shoots very good groups. Never had any reliability issues. Trigger is not bad. Been great for a $700 1911.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2023 5:08:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: Tommytornado]
[#4]
I just bought a .45 Garrison. I really like it. Only complaint is the back of the extractor is not blended well with the back of the slide and sticks out a bit. I changed out the thin grips but that is because I like thicker grips. My Garrison did not have the ILS mainspring housing. I believe it has about a 5 pound trigger.
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Posted: 8/14/2023 5:19:38 PM EST
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I purchased a 4.25” Ronin on GB a year ago. It had marred finish on the frame when I took it out of the box. And the pistol had clearly been shot and not cleaned. Needless to say I will not be buying from that seller again. Highly rated, but they would do nothing. I sent it back to Springfield and in all fairness they took care of me. The fit is excellent - but maybe a bit on the tight side. I’ve had several times the slide would not go into battery. I do believe after I shoot it some more it will get better.
In closing, I really like the looks of the Ronin. But I’m not comfortable carrying it for SD until it starts running better. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 7:07:02 PM EST
[#6]
They would both make good base guns. I’d go Garrison.
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Posted: 8/14/2023 8:20:06 PM EST
[#7]
I wouldn't hesitate buying one if they checked all the boxes for me . I've heard good things. The bad things are much less frequent.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:02:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: jmreagan]
[#8]
I've had 5 Springfield's... Still have 3 of them. 2 Champion Operators and a Mil-Spec model I kept. Out of the 2 I sent back... 1 was another Mil-Spec that the plunger pulled out, and ejector would fall out when you cleaned it. I sent it back on their dime both ways and they went thru and changed every single spring, also replaced the Transmission with a Beefier Version, and S.A. fixed the extractor and also the ejector... They dried a hole thru the slide and pinned it in order to quickly get this resolved. They also shipped it back with a magazine in the gun and I want to say another too in a box which is elation on the customer's part!
As to the "Other" Springfield "Loaded" I had... I couldn't get 1 single round to chamber with ANY magazine I had on hand (about 35) in order to fire. I pulled it apart and the barrel's feed ramp was only cut from 6 to about the 10 O'clock space... The plunger was loose, the trigger sucked, then I forgot to say what they did to the frame's feed ramp... It didn't exist.. There was no frame bevel/cut or whatever you want to call it... I stated I didn't want that particular gun back and the gave me a fully checked and fired Springfield "Loaded". Both turn around times took between 5-6 days at most all on Springfield's Tab and delivered to my front door because I had already went thru the purchasing process, this was a repair so it's perfectly legal to accept anything they already owned. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2023 12:55:43 PM EST
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I picked up a Springfield Ronin EMP 4" in June. I've used it for teaching Defensive Pistol classes and put roughly 1000 rounds through it.
I had a 2 day class scheduled with Mike Seeklander and was going to use my Ronin for the class, only to find out that the ejector had snapped. This might explain why I was having issues with the last round fully ejecting on my last couple of magazines. Springfields CS has been pretty good so far. They wouldn't ship me the ejector but paid for shipping for the gun to go to them. I also requested they refinish the gun as after carrying it in the Atlanta heat it developed rust on the slide after a few hours of being carried. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2023 3:13:29 PM EST
[#10]
They're okay. I haven't had a Garrison but I've had both .45 and 10mm Ronin and it's an okay gun, nothing really "wrong" with it but it does have a LOT of MIM parts. For the price, consider Ruger SR1911 series as well, really for under $1k, Ruger and Springfield are the two best bets.
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Posted: 8/21/2023 12:24:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: curiomatic]
[#11]
I bought a SS SA Garrison 45 ACP last year. I described the break in problem in Seatbelts' thread posted 8/21/2023
I didn't like the thin grips so I replaced them with Pachmayr Signature grips and longer grip bushings. I also replaced the slide stop and barrel bushing w/plug with beefier Wilson Combat parts. I hadn't planned on having to do those upgrades but I did and now I'm okay with the Garrison for range use. I bought the Garrison because I couldn't find a SS Colt Competition 1911 but now I wish I had waited. |
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Posted: 8/21/2023 10:07:04 PM EST
[#12]
Get the blued Garrison and throw on some Pachmayrs to make a pseudo-MEUSOC clone.
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:13:55 AM EST
[#13]
 #FortyFiveFriday with 10-8 Performance, No.3 - Favorite 1911 Base Guns |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:25:29 AM EST
[#14]
I bought an early Ronin that came to my LGS owner a week or so after they were announced.
At $625 I figured it'd have some bugs, but I like Springfield 1911s so might as well get it. IME, the fitment was excellent for the price point. None of the issues mentioned above. The slide,frame, barrel fit was tight. The grip safety was standard production fitment, but no rattle. I've had no issues with mine. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:56:12 AM EST
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I looked at a 45ACP RONIN the slide/frame fit was excellent. the barrel was well fitted. at this price point, I'm not surprised at the MIM parts, and plan on upgrading stuff anyway. It's my wife birthday, so I'm gonna wait a bit, but probably get one. . . .not sure which blue Garrison SS Garrison Ronin ( no a fan of these new names, but they are a good base gun for this project) Garrison = REMF Ronin = fired Samurai  |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:23:05 PM EST
[#16]
I received my new Ronin Commander .45 earlier this month.
I like the two tone look of the Ronin. Out of the box everything looked perfect. I cleaned and lubed, and put Pachmayr grips on it. Put 120 rounds of Aguila FMJ 230g through it without a FTE/FTF using WC 8rd and 10rd mags. Very happy with it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:12:31 AM EST
[#17]
I looked at one locally saturday
it looked good, classic blued steel fitted well too bad it was a 9mm so I ordered one today Garrison blued 45ACP on the way |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:51:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: gunwolf]
[#18]
I do not own but have shot and Love the Garrison, I'm a fan of non-ambi 1911's... have a few .45 cal 1911's and was looking for a 9mm... I sold my 4.25" Ronin 9mm a few years back and miss it, I looked at the garrison 9mm but I picked up a used 5" 9mm Ronin... the two tone had me. maybe I'll get the Garrison in .45 in the future... the Ronin is the better looking of the two in my opinion... but to each their own.
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Posted: 8/31/2023 7:10:22 AM EST
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Posted: 8/31/2023 9:03:17 PM EST
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After a long day at work, I thought - I should detail strip this gun, clean & oil it and shoot it tomorrow NOPE I got off work, cleaned the bore, loaded up mags first I did the "10-8 extractor test" and it passed. I was surprised, and expected I'd have to tune the extractor. shot up about 400 rounds of 230gr cast & coated handloads. I shot it until it was too hot to touch. 100 % reliable then I field stripped it and looked it over. VERY HAPPY with this gun. ------------------ Project: short term - replace the slim grips, and get a skinny 0.100" DAWSON fiber front sight. long term - replace the MIM parts with tool steel, add a magwell, and maybe hand checker the front strap.    passes the old wilson combat extractor test   . . . . . I almost got the RONIN, I like the two tone look, and had a springfield 2 tone IPSC blaster back in the 1990's, but this one reminds me of the 1911 that's been in my family since it was brought back from World War One.  |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 10:55:07 AM EST
[#21]
Good deal. Looks like you got a keeper.
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Posted: 9/3/2023 9:49:51 PM EST
[#22]
Congrats looks like you got a shooter!
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Posted: 9/14/2023 11:25:34 AM EST
[#23]
Stainless Garrison in 45 ACP. I've made one range trip with around 100 rounds through it. GTG with all mags and ammo so far. The mag that came with the pistol would not feed the first hand-cycled flat nose, but it worked fine with a high quality mag.
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Posted: 9/20/2023 1:46:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryGreat minds and all: 
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:28:23 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocApocalypse: Stainless Garrison in 45 ACP. I've made one range trip with around 100 rounds through it. GTG with all mags and ammo so far. The mag that came with the pistol would not feed the first hand-cycled flat nose, but it worked fine with a high quality mag. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271112/GARRISON_jpg-2953408.JPG IIRC the mags that came with my Springfield have the original style tapered feedlips that work best with ball. I don't think I've run any flat nose through the gun but I'll be sure to use Mec gars or Wilsons if I do. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:32:26 PM EST
[#26]
Really wish the Ronin was sans FCS. I really want a 2 tone but don't want FCS on the slide.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:51:21 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Really wish the Ronin was sans FCS. I really want a 2 tone but don't want FCS on the slide. I want the Garrison just as it is but with factory machined front strap checkering. I know it'd bump the cost up but I'd be willing to pay it as long it was reasonable. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 6:17:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: Colt653]
[#28]
Progress, so far...
DAWSON .100" fiber front sight C&S trigger kit standard grip bushings and grips ( not slim) De-horned thumb safety      
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Posted: 9/20/2023 8:10:26 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Really wish the Ronin was sans FCS. I really want a 2 tone but don't want FCS on the slide. Why don't you buy to garrisons and swap the slides? I'm sure you could sell the upside down one. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 8:11:14 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nyle_AR15: I want the Garrison just as it is but with factory machined front strap checkering. I know it'd bump the cost up but I'd be willing to pay it as long it was reasonable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nyle_AR15: Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Really wish the Ronin was sans FCS. I really want a 2 tone but don't want FCS on the slide. I want the Garrison just as it is but with factory machined front strap checkering. I know it'd bump the cost up but I'd be willing to pay it as long it was reasonable. I wonder what that would add? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:02:06 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Why don't you buy to garrisons and swap the slides? I'm sure you could sell the upside down one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Really wish the Ronin was sans FCS. I really want a 2 tone but don't want FCS on the slide. Why don't you buy to garrisons and swap the slides? I'm sure you could sell the upside down one. Although they are production guns, wouldn't the barrels, etc need to be fitted to the new frame? I didn't think 1911's could swap easily like that compared to modern striker guns. In the end, Ill probably just end up saving for a 2 tone Baer UTC in 9, cause after owning nicer 1911's, production guns just don't do it for me. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:17:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: Colt653]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: Really wish the Ronin was sans FCS. I really want a 2 tone but don't want FCS on the slide. buy a GARRISON and have the lower industrial hard chromed I like front cocking serations, makes it easy to “unload n show clear” at IPSC matches you grasp the slide from below, so the range officer can see your empty chamber Edit- My old 1990's IPSC blaster. Started out as a Mil-spec Hard chromed frame by http://www.mahovskysmetalife.com/   |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:34:23 PM EST
[#33]
I picked a Garrison SS in 9mm back in May or June. I currently have approximately 500ish round through it. I've mostly ran 115gr ball, mix between Fiocchi, CCI Blazer, Hornady Critical Duty 135gr, and Freedom Munitions 115gr XTP. The only issues I've had has been with Freedom 147gr JHP, which did not want to chamber. This ammo runs fine in my Hellcat and XDMs, the OAL may just be a little long for the chamber.
The gun runs like a scalded dog and is laser beam accurate. I had my smith install TFX Pro sights and bevel the the thumb safety (leading edge was a touch sharp). I am not a fan of the factory mag, as for some reason it does not drop free. I run a mix of McCormick and Mec-Gar 10 round mags. The gun was well worth the money. Prior to purchasing the Garrison, I got one of the "Defend Your Legacy" Mil-Spec parkerized .45s and it too has ran with no issues. Springfield is GTG. |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 5:59:20 PM EST
[#34]
Got a CHEN MAGWELL today, and replaced the G-10 grips with my old Hogues. Very Nice   
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Posted: 10/24/2023 6:36:04 PM EST
[#35]
Have a blued garrison. Very nice shoots well. Original mag and an 8 round mecgar runs great with lots of different ammo and 2 different hollowpoints. However, it does not like winchester white box 230gr roundball.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2023 7:48:51 PM EST
[#36]
I like mine quite a bit, 800 round’s with no issues.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 10:06:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
[#37]
I picked up a Garrison last week, so still very new.
That said, none of the fit/finish complaints mentioned previously and everything looks good, no rattle. I did replace the barrel bushing with a blued EGW that only took some very minor fitting that was more like polishing, and that replacement was just because I didn’t like that much SS on the pistol. I do want to replace the sights with something with tritium, however that sounds like the rear at least is a nightmare unless you are willing to use a cutoff wheel. Might just send it off and have someone else do it. I’ll probably replace the grips as well but not sure which way I’m going with those yet. Overall I really like it. This is my first 1911 in about 20 years.     
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Posted: 10/25/2023 10:07:56 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aimatdeer: Have a blued garrison. Very nice shoots well. Original mag and an 8 round mecgar runs great with lots of different ammo and 2 different hollowpoints. However, it does not like winchester white box 230gr roundball. Mine did not like it with the OEM magazine. With Ed Browns it was fine. |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 3:01:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt653: Progress, so far... DAWSON .100" fiber front sight C&S trigger kit standard grip bushings and grips ( not slim) De-horned thumb safety https://i.imgur.com/QuGZG9G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0pDy1F9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vXbclxl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JwOAemh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jPZuJsr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JOeqEk4.jpg Could you provide links to your sights? I'm liking that configuration and I'd love to do my Garrison that way. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 7:38:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: Colt653]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocApocalypse: Could you provide links to your sights? I'm liking that configuration and I'd love to do my Garrison that way. @DocApocalypse https://dawsonprecision.com/account.php?action=view_order&order_id=398312 Sights, for Springfield 1911, Front Fiber Optic, by Dawson Precision Choose Sight Height & Width Below: .180" Tall x .100" Wide Patridge Serrated I like .100" skinny front sights, I put them on all my handguns. ( this is a CZ)  . . . https://vzgrips.com/products/chen-si-shooter-installed-magwell.html https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005647356?pid=165545 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100564761?pid=188154 https://dawsonprecision.com/slide-stop-for-1911-45acp-blue-by-egw/ Grips are Hogue Also, WilsonCombat bulletproof ejector and firing pin stop, standard grip screws & bushings ( not thin) |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:58:17 PM EST
[#41]
My brother has a Ronin that is reliable with everything other than Wilson 10 round magazines. Weird
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Posted: 11/13/2023 5:44:25 PM EST
[#42]
Gettin dirty....    |
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USA
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Posted: 11/16/2023 2:10:28 PM EST
[#43]
Ive been eying the ronin emp 4 inch in 9mm.
I held it today and it just felt cheap. Nothing like my Operator or Mil-spec |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2023 7:01:57 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: My brother has a Ronin that is reliable with everything other than Wilson 10 round magazines. Weird Wilson 10 rounders were always hit and miss (mostly miss) when I was shooting competition, to the point most of us quit screwing with them completely. Dont know if they have changed or not, Ive been out of it for 20 yrs so they could have changed them by now. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2023 4:06:50 AM EST
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I haven't had any issues with the couple WC 10rd mags I've used in my new Ronin Commander shooting factory FMJ 230g. Only put a couple hundred rounds through it so far though. Haven't shot any hollow point rounds yet.
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Posted: 11/17/2023 7:38:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: WIZZO_ARAKM14]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt653: Gettin dirty.... https://i.imgur.com/1UBBLTT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3x270QW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UwIKXBW.jpg I bought a 20' roll and used it on 2 1911's expecting to replace it frequently. Instead, those are the only pieces I've ever cut off the roll in 7 years lol |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:50:18 AM EST
[#47]
I've owned 3 Springfield 1911's, currently just my TRP Op. The Lwt Gov't/alum frame was probably the best built out of all, 2019mfg/last year for that model, didn't have to go back for anything. The Emissary was deplorable, guide rod tunnel machining was atrocious, had to go back, all the factory did was fit the Spring cap, tight gritty feel, even after 500rds. The TRP, though my favorite, took a lot to get there. Back for barrel feet/link misfit, poor grip safety finish, the front sight is miniscule, Novak's took care of that. The Full length guide rod is just unnecessary weight up front, chucked that. I can't say my Colt Series '70 new mfg, Comp Model was much better. Spend the money, Ed Brown, Wilson, Alchemy, etc..., you'll be glad you did.
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Posted: 11/22/2023 10:00:08 PM EST
[#48]
Garrison and Ronin are both great out of the box shooters and plenty accurate and reliable…..
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