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Posted: 12/17/2019 9:18:00 PM EDT
I am setting up a buddies Gen 5 G19 MOS with an RMR and the stock trigger on this thing is amazing. It is better in everyday to a well worn Gen 3 (with either the OEM "." or "-" connectors).
Update: it happened to me. Gen 5 trigger getting worse 
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Posted: 12/17/2019 9:24:12 PM EDT
[#1]
Always jump 2 versions ahead. Same thing with iPhones.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:01:26 PM EDT
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Love my G45 which is obviously a gen 5 pistol. Bone stock weekend before last in a friend's yard I was hitting 18" targets at 110yards. Plastic sights and all.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:07:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, long time Gen 3 fan here too. Especially that “frying pan” glossy old Tennifer finish, but after playing with the gen 4 stippling and bigger mag release, I’m warming up to it.
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:54:06 PM EDT
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Yep, same. I'm rocking an EARLY Gen3 (it's a two pin, not a three) G19 LEO trade-in that I've had for almost a decade now and love. I acquired a G34 Gen4 and am warming up to it quite a bit, and the G43 and G48 are amazing. I guess not all progress is bad, and rock music isn't the devil...
 
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Posted: 12/17/2019 11:02:46 PM EDT
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laughs in gen 3 |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 11:02:58 PM EDT
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My first Gen5 was a 45 I bought for a new duty gun.
I took it to a week long handgun training and shot 1000 rounds of 124 grain Blazer Brass and never had a stoppage and it was fresh out da box except for Ameriglos I took it out to 70 yds at one point just playing a game. I ended up shooting a perfect qualifIcation score. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 10:53:40 AM EDT
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There’s legit reasons why Glock has come to the Gen5. Those small improvements are quite profound.
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Posted: 12/18/2019 11:06:39 AM EDT
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I was a Gen3 fanboy until my department bought Gen4 Glock 17s to replace our aging 21SF duty pistols
I came to the quick realization that the reduced blackstrap and improved texture made all my Gen3 guns feel like trash. So I sold all my Gen3 guns to the purest and replaced them all with Gen4s. Great decision and I have zero regrets for doing so. If I were buying today it would be Gen5 FS non-mos models for me. |
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Posted: 12/22/2019 1:09:23 AM EDT
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I never was a fan of the Gen4. I really like the new Gen 5s and switched out myself. I do not like the MOS stuff though. I tried a G34.5 and did not like it at all.
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Posted: 12/24/2019 7:46:21 PM EDT
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I like the improvements in the Gen 5, but I'm not a fan of the trigger.
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Posted: 12/25/2019 1:44:59 AM EDT
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My first handgun was a gen 4 19, I did look at a gen 3 17, but I didnt like the little button they had for the mag release. It felt like I was searching for the mag release, while its damn near under my thumb on the Gen 4/5s.
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Posted: 12/25/2019 3:02:23 AM EDT
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The gen 4 was a step back.
Poor trigger and increased risk of cracking the rear rail. |
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Posted: 12/25/2019 3:50:27 AM EDT
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Love my Gen 3 G19’s but they required a lot of trigger and grip work (which I did myself). My G34.5 and G43 are amazing with a little polishing of the factory parts.
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Posted: 12/25/2019 4:56:00 AM EDT
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The gen 4 was a step back. Poor trigger and increased risk of cracking the rear rail. |
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Posted: 12/25/2019 9:31:23 AM EDT
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increased risk of cracking the rear rail. |
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Posted: 12/25/2019 11:00:55 AM EDT
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Sorry I had it backwards. But to be fair - this was posted 4+ years ago.
He goes into it in more detail in subsequent posts further down the page. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/High-round-count-pistols-100-000-observations/4-160140/&r=1776331&dlnk=1#i1776331 |
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Posted: 12/25/2019 12:53:38 PM EDT
[#17]
glad you liked it. Overall, the gen 5 is the better gun.
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Posted: 12/25/2019 12:56:49 PM EDT
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Yea. It may be dumb but I'm gonna sell all my gen 3 19s and go gen 5. I got some GSSF certs so ...
eta. I may keep 1 |
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Posted: 12/25/2019 3:24:15 PM EDT
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Yea. It may be dumb but I'm gonna sell all my gen 3 19s and go gen 5. I got some GSSF certs so ... eta. I may keep 1 |
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Posted: 12/25/2019 6:17:51 PM EDT
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I've handled several gen5 guns and own a 19. It's the same trigger
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Posted: 12/25/2019 6:19:32 PM EDT
[#21]
I've handled several gen5 guns and own a 19. It's the same trigger
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Posted: 12/27/2019 4:33:42 PM EDT
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The larger magazine release button is making a 19.5 my next purchase. No more grip shuffle to drop a mag? Sign me up.
Kharn |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 11:02:37 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryThat’s purdy!
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Posted: 2/9/2020 1:11:45 PM EDT
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I've owned and shot a shitload of Glocks going back to Gen2.
Don't get too excited. Every. Single. Fucking. Gen5. Trigger gets significantly heavier and grittier as the round count goes up. I bought a pair of luscious Gen5 17s. One got a few mags of HST and went in the safe, one has been shot a bunch and carried daily. Was noticing that I couldn't hold the front sight still while dry-firing the one I use. Pulled out the spare to compare... Night and day difference. The usin' gun's trigger is utter shit compared to what it was a few thousand rounds ago. Same experience as the first set of Gen5s I ran back in '17. Same as my 43s. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 1:26:37 PM EDT
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Have you tried putting a drop of oil where the connector contacts the trigger bar?
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Posted: 2/9/2020 2:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've owned and shot a shitload of Glocks going back to Gen2. Don't get too excited. Every. Single. Fucking. Gen5. Trigger gets significantly heavier and grittier as the round count goes up. I bought a pair of luscious Gen5 17s. One got a few mags of HST and went in the safe, one has been shot a bunch and carried daily. Was noticing that I couldn't hold the front sight still while dry-firing the one I use. Pulled out the spare to compare... Night and day difference. The usin' gun's trigger is utter shit compared to what it was a few thousand rounds ago. Same experience as the first set of Gen5s I ran back in '17. Same as my 43s. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 2:51:56 PM EDT
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I don’t like the Gen. 5 trigger. I’m ambivalent about the dual slide stop.
I do like the flared mag well. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 4:12:47 PM EDT
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Have you tried putting a drop of oil where the connector contacts the trigger bar? |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 4:22:15 PM EDT
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I have three Gen 3 guns and one Gen 4. After buying the G45 I want to Gen 5 all the things. At a minimum I will purchase a Gen 5 19 and 34 this year. The old guns will be relegated to beating around in the vehicles.
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Posted: 2/9/2020 4:53:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Have you tried putting a drop of oil where the connector contacts the trigger bar? |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 5:35:23 PM EDT
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Have not noticed any difference in trigger of Gen5 over Gen4, other than the dot connector lightens pull a little.
Have not noticed trigger getting heavier either, after about 3000 rounds in a 34.5 and a 2000 in 17.5. Just checked both with gauge too and same. My fav gen5 features: ambi release (lefty here). backstraps no finger grooves flared mag well MOS Rest is DNC. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 6:13:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've owned and shot a shitload of Glocks going back to Gen2. Don't get too excited. Every. Single. Fucking. Gen5. Trigger gets significantly heavier and grittier as the round count goes up. I bought a pair of luscious Gen5 17s. One got a few mags of HST and went in the safe, one has been shot a bunch and carried daily. Was noticing that I couldn't hold the front sight still while dry-firing the one I use. Pulled out the spare to compare... Night and day difference. The usin' gun's trigger is utter shit compared to what it was a few thousand rounds ago. Same experience as the first set of Gen5s I ran back in '17. Same as my 43s. How many rounds we talking about until it degrades? What parts are wearing? Have you taken it apart to inspect? You can rebuild all the components for like $30 (trigger bar, connector, channel liner, drop safety, etc) ETA: not doubting your experience but seems if this was a systemic issue we'd see lots more complaints. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 7:41:19 PM EDT
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@samuse How many rounds we talking about until it degrades? What parts are wearing? Have you taken it apart to inspect? You can rebuild all the components for like $30 (trigger bar, connector, channel liner, drop safety, etc) ETA: not doubting your experience but seems if this was a systemic issue we'd see lots more complaints. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've owned and shot a shitload of Glocks going back to Gen2. Don't get too excited. Every. Single. Fucking. Gen5. Trigger gets significantly heavier and grittier as the round count goes up. I bought a pair of luscious Gen5 17s. One got a few mags of HST and went in the safe, one has been shot a bunch and carried daily. Was noticing that I couldn't hold the front sight still while dry-firing the one I use. Pulled out the spare to compare... Night and day difference. The usin' gun's trigger is utter shit compared to what it was a few thousand rounds ago. Same experience as the first set of Gen5s I ran back in '17. Same as my 43s. How many rounds we talking about until it degrades? What parts are wearing? Have you taken it apart to inspect? You can rebuild all the components for like $30 (trigger bar, connector, channel liner, drop safety, etc) ETA: not doubting your experience but seems if this was a systemic issue we'd see lots more complaints. I have about 3500 on the one I shoot a lot, I noticed it was worse at about 2K. The metal parts are fine, I think it's the channel liner getting galled or rough against the spring cups. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 7:45:26 PM EDT
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I finally caved and bought a glock. here in CA all we get are gen 3. I have come to the realization that the g19 is made for 12 year olds with tiny hands.
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Posted: 2/9/2020 8:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not the only one. I have about 3500 on the one I shoot a lot, I noticed it was worse at about 2K. The metal parts are fine, I think it's the channel liner getting galled or rough against the spring cups. Maybe I'm wrong and people just don't shoot their guns
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Posted: 2/9/2020 8:29:26 PM EDT
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You know it is great that I came into this thread.
I have a Glock 43 that I have about 1800 rounds through. I swore the trigger got worse after shooting it. I thought I was going crazy but I guess I am not. I am picking up a brand new Gen5 G19 either tomorrow or Tuesday. I guess I will see how it goes with that. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 8:43:20 PM EDT
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Well shoot why don't you guys having issues detail strip and inspect and determine root cause?
If I had a trigger degrade I'd want to isolate the cause resolve it ASAP. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 8:47:22 PM EDT
[#38]
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I finally caved and bought a glock. here in CA all we get are gen 3. I have come to the realization that the g19 is made for 12 year olds with tiny hands. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 8:49:26 PM EDT
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Well shoot why don't you guys having issues detail strip and inspect and determine root cause? If I had a trigger degrade I'd want to isolate the cause resolve it ASAP. But they don't really look different than other Glocks. On my 19s and 43s I had coating come off that I thought was the problem, but wasn't. I'm still thinking channel liner as it's worse when it's hot. |
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Posted: 2/9/2020 9:01:37 PM EDT
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I had a Gen 3 G17 that I had milled for an RMR and front serration. I bought a 17-5 MOS and G45. I have dince given the Gen 3 yo my son. The Gen 5 just fells and shoots better.
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Posted: 2/10/2020 4:30:59 AM EDT
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Well shoot why don't you guys having issues detail strip and inspect and determine root cause? If I had a trigger degrade I'd want to isolate the cause resolve it ASAP. I have noticed some wear on the firing pin safety block surface where the trigger bar rides on it and on the firing pin where the trigger bar rides on it also. |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 4:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice setup. Who did the frame work? |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 6:29:52 AM EDT
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Yeah, long time Gen 3 fan here too. Especially that "frying pan" glossy old Tennifer finish, but after playing with the gen 4 stippling and bigger mag release, I'm warming up to it. 
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Posted: 2/10/2020 7:16:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhen I saw this, it brought my back to the DustyC Glock Stipling thread 
I've really enjoy my Gen 3's and Gen 4. I do not own any Gen5's yet. What has been the other big differences besides the trigger function? |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 7:21:36 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryI know what you mean OP. Gen 5 is awesome.
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Posted: 2/10/2020 8:54:17 AM EDT
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Yea. It may be dumb but I'm gonna sell all my gen 3 19s and go gen 5. I got some GSSF certs so ... eta. I may keep 1 |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 8:56:41 AM EDT
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Honestly I thought it was me. It is like the trigger goes from crisp to "crunchy" over time. I have noticed some wear on the firing pin safety block surface where the trigger bar rides on it and on the firing pin where the trigger bar rides on it also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well shoot why don't you guys having issues detail strip and inspect and determine root cause? If I had a trigger degrade I'd want to isolate the cause resolve it ASAP. I have noticed some wear on the firing pin safety block surface where the trigger bar rides on it and on the firing pin where the trigger bar rides on it also. @samuse, are you aware if Glock has acknowledged or is addressed this problem? |
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Posted: 2/10/2020 10:55:32 AM EDT
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Tagged.
Just picked up a G45 MOS and 19x, rest of the fleet is Gen 3s, so would like to see the outcome of the above trigger issues |
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Posted: 2/11/2020 9:55:10 PM EDT
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I am setting up a buddies Gen 5 G19 MOS with an RMR and the stock trigger on this thing is amazing. It is better in everyday to a well worn Gen 3 (with either the OEM "." or "-" connectors). |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 9:53:38 AM EDT
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I'm not the only one. I have about 3500 on the one I shoot a lot, I noticed it was worse at about 2K. The metal parts are fine, I think it's the channel liner getting galled or rough against the spring cups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've owned and shot a shitload of Glocks going back to Gen2. Don't get too excited. Every. Single. Fucking. Gen5. Trigger gets significantly heavier and grittier as the round count goes up. I bought a pair of luscious Gen5 17s. One got a few mags of HST and went in the safe, one has been shot a bunch and carried daily. Was noticing that I couldn't hold the front sight still while dry-firing the one I use. Pulled out the spare to compare... Night and day difference. The usin' gun's trigger is utter shit compared to what it was a few thousand rounds ago. Same experience as the first set of Gen5s I ran back in '17. Same as my 43s. How many rounds we talking about until it degrades? What parts are wearing? Have you taken it apart to inspect? You can rebuild all the components for like $30 (trigger bar, connector, channel liner, drop safety, etc) ETA: not doubting your experience but seems if this was a systemic issue we'd see lots more complaints. I have about 3500 on the one I shoot a lot, I noticed it was worse at about 2K. The metal parts are fine, I think it's the channel liner getting galled or rough against the spring cups. Right after gen 5 19s came out, I bought one and shot it for several weeks with no issues, about 500 rounds. Then something happened that I have never heard of before or after. One day after I had been shooting my 19.5, something brass(primer debris or case shaving IDK) was left in the firing pin hole and worked it's way further in the channel, wedging the striker, locking up the trigger in the forward position. I never had a Glock trigger lock up before but I knew I needed to disassemble it. I pulled the trigger hard enough to snap the tail off the striker. I didn't notice it actually broke until I put the slide back on and tried to dry fire it but nothing happened. Oddly, I had worked the action and dry fired it several times and all seemed fine just before the trigger locked up. The brass debris worked it's way in just the wrong place. It came out once I got it apart. It seems pretty isolated now but I know if it happens again, I will pull the striker out of the back with the slide still on the frame. I definitely clean it more often there than before. IMO I think Glock placed the striker block too close to the breech end. It gets dirty fast in that area when shooting and has the potential to cause dragging if solid debris gets in there. I see why they placed it there to be retained the extractor however. 
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